what,s it like to be cowardly--just another =ali ass! no--credibility!!----just a fly-on-a-turd!

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), August 03, 2000

Answers

Al, you're gonna piss Jesus off, talking like that.

-- KoFE (your@town.USA), August 03, 2000.

It is no more cowardly to hide behind an alias than it is to hide behind a contrived persona.

-- (nemesis@awol.com), August 03, 2000.

Al, there's a difference (a BIG difference) between consistent "fake emails" and the ones who change it every single time they post. But just because someone uses a real name or a real email or even the same fake handle all the time it doesn't automatically lend them credibility. It also follows that simply because someone changes their "handle" all the time or frequently or whatever, it doesn't necessarily mean that they automatically have less credibility.

People have a right to be anonymous if they wish; the "audience" has a right to trust or mistrust as they see fit. You take each individual situation and weigh it on its merits.

"Let the reader beware."

-- Patricia (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), August 03, 2000.

i guess ''no-accountability'' is the new--cop-out!! what,s all the hiding-about??---oh well,just my opinion,on the un- censored forum!!----hey maybe i,m not =al-d. can i go out & play now??---enough-sissy-stuff!!

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), August 03, 2000.

Hi Driscol, its me your buddy Rational 1. So Im the fly and you are the turd. Whats new? You are starting to sound very nervous pal. Why would that be? Most of us are just cyber people, floating about commenting on the issues of the day. Nobody here will hurt you, but then you didnt fuck us out of any money. Dont worry, be happy!!

-- Ra (tion@l.1), August 03, 2000.

HEY RATTY, i never worry,gave it up---long time ago!!i go with the flow!!!no what i mean---ratty ol bean!!!

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), August 03, 2000.

PATRICIA, I GET-IT!!!come to the party any ol way huh???

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), August 03, 2000.

lol!

you're so stupid that you don't even know how stupid you are.

posting your real e-mail address in the public domain on the net will make your life a living nightmare from which you may never awaken.

-- (just.wait@and.see), August 03, 2000.

Al, I don't use my real email address anymore, because I'm not crazy about the idea of being tracked. But I would be happy to give it to you if you want. =)

-- cin (cin@cinn.cin), August 03, 2000.

i didn,t mean folk,s like you cin!!!any how forget my post,i just have no-respect for cowards!!!but i understand.... maybe i,ll become=ducks@daffy.com

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), August 03, 2000.

i welcome all trackers---got a neat surprise for your butt,i love jesus,but i will kick a fools-ass!!--& IF PUSH COMES TO SHOVE--i defend to the utmost=[lead sandwich] my wife & property!! besides my dogs need a little excitment--now & then!!

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), August 03, 2000.

Since when does not using your real address make you a coward? There is a big difference between being a coward and being an idiot, although some people are both... like you.

-- (cowards.wait.for.jesus@idiots.post.real.addresses), August 04, 2000.

My there are a lot of lost souls on this board

Some very bitter people wallowing in self-pity

Wanting to make everyone just as miserable as themselves

-- sad (sad@so.sad), August 04, 2000.

Shooting people?

and then feeding them?

-- lead (fake@hungry.com), August 04, 2000.

Al at first I had my doubts bout cha (not that it matters) but then i began to 'believe' you were 'real', but NOW, it would appear your colors are showing.

Out of the same mouth come blessings and cursings, my brethren these things ought not be so. (scripture Al)

Lately, your posts have been very bitter and now you have resorted to cursing at people and accusing people of being cowards as well.

How sad for the 'real' like grace and i believe. You are beginning to be a serious disgrace to the christian's that are real, for those who need to hear.

STOP al and THINK, PRAY before you post, it may help.

warm regards, but curious as well

xoxo, sumer,

PS If you only KNEW what giving out a real addy could cause, you'd rethink calling 'us' cowards. Some of us have had real issues with providing a real email, but you dont know about that and dont need to. But a search of archives may help.

-- CONSUMER (shh@aol.com), August 04, 2000.

Nobody's perfect.... Al's just having a bad hair day, right Al? You got hair?

-- KoFE (your@town.USA), August 04, 2000.

All are equally sinful, and if honest, I believe we would each say, "I'm the worst sinner I know."

sumer - is your son feeling better?

-- (bygrace@thru.faith), August 04, 2000.

Al has been defending himself against some pretty vicious personal attacks as of late:here, see for yourself

I think his faith seems stronger than ever.

Right on Al...you rock! =o)

-- cin (cin@cinn.cin), August 04, 2000.

Cin:

You reallly are such a cunt. Fucking with poor Al like this. Do you want to fuck him too?

-- cin is a cunt (suckme@bitch.com), August 05, 2000.

By grace, thank you for asking. Yes he is doing better, and has made an appointment to get the necessary blood work done which will give viral load and t-cell count. Thanks to you and all (incldg. AL) who have prayed and shown concern. It is appreciated.

BTW, he has been extended an invite to help start a church in Va. Beach. He is into music and plays the keyboard. He is excited and 'considering and praying bout it'. The Pastor who gave the invite is a DR and his wife a RN who JUST SO happens (no coincidence) to be doing HIV rotations....what a blessing. She is up to date on latest happenings regarding HIV and offering to take my son into her home until he gets established.....kkeep praying....

xoxo, sumer

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), August 05, 2000.

prayers and thanks going up.

-- (bygrace@thru.faith), August 05, 2000.

Sorry this post, makes it a minute behind. My knee jerk was originally addressed to the addresee who posted a response to "Sad", Someone said "waiting to make everyone else as miserable as you are" Ah, friend, we would not wish this misery, on anyone. Why do you think we have been the "Gate Keepers?". We have been the most unlikely candidates for this mission.

-- Appointed Gate Keeper (tired@iwannagohome.com), August 06, 2000.

We as NOT in me myself and I? :-)

Very believable. Gatekeepers ALWAYS welcome. Gatekeepers are necessary. Gatekeepers are good to conquer evil?

you know who and thank you.

-- noISPforal (log@out.net), August 06, 2000.

Cin has been posting a lot of personal attacks herself lately on the Citizen Ruth threads.

-- Alice in Wonder Bra (alice@wonder.bra), August 06, 2000.

Nice try troll/clone. Go get yourself a REAL life

-- cin (cin@cinn.cin), August 06, 2000.

So that wasn't you saying that if a woman died from an illegal abortion it was her own fault? That wasn't you saying that someone's grandmother starved her own children to death so she could eat?

My mistake. Must have been some other heartless bitch intentionally spreading lies and vitriol while using your name. You might want to go over there and set them straight.

-- Alice in Wonder Bra (alice@wonder.bra), August 06, 2000.

I believe that abortion thread is over there, and not here. I invite anyone to read my words. I am not ashamed of them. Good day Alice =)

-- cin (cin@cinn.cin), August 06, 2000.

Gee, I read the threads in question and I see a lot to be ashamed of on all sides. I was kind of surprised by how vicious cin acted. If your really proud of that thread cin, then I don't feel sorry for you, but I pity your child. Rotten human beings usually make bad mothers.

-- Observer (observer@observant.eye), August 06, 2000.

wow it takes one to know one eh?

-- cin (cin@cinn.cin), August 06, 2000.

Not when you make it so very obvious cin.

-- Observer (observer@observant.eye), August 07, 2000.

ok let's just settle this once and for all.

Thumb-wrestle?

Winner take all =)

-- cin (cin@cinn.cin), August 07, 2000.

Not 'til you grow a set of opposable thumbs, you mean old wretch!

-- Observer (observer@observant.eye), August 07, 2000.

The truth hurts sometimes. Doesn't it?

-- cin (cin@cinn.cin), August 07, 2000.

Yes, I'm sure it does cin.

-- Observer (observer@observant.eye), August 07, 2000.

The truth hurts sometimes. Doesn't it?

To you have evidence to support your otherwise baseless accusation that Tarzan's grandmother willingly starved her children so that she could eat?

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), August 07, 2000.

Hmm,

Cin has as much evidence of her position as we do that any of Tarzan's relations starved AT ALL. Maybe she was just speaking hypothetically, and not personally accusing anyone of anything...?

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), August 09, 2000.

I have always wondered why an Isoceles triangle was called isoceles.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), August 10, 2000.

"Tarzan...you say that several of your grandmothers children died of starvation? And why, I ask you, did SHE survive? Obviously she ate and they didn't. The reasons why you are the way you are are becoming clearer every time you respond."

For the record, it was my great-grandmother rather than my grandmother. I think it's obvious that she is not speaking hypothetically here. She believes my great-grandmother allowed three of her children to starve to death while she ate, and that she believes the consequences of her (my great-granmother) actions has an effect on my personality today.

I don't have much evidence to support this story. I have a couple of letters my great-grandmother wrote to one of her daughters much later about the deaths. The ink is faded and the paper's in pretty bad shape, but if you post an e-mail address, I'll scan the letters up and you can see for yourself.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), August 10, 2000.

Tarzan,

Well, got to agree with you as to Cin's motives, and personally have no desire whatsoever to verify your story.

I would however need more info as to whether or not abortion or contraception would have "helped" her situation. In farm communities without advanced mechanical aid the extra labor is often of more benefit than the cost. But again, I don't know their situation.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), August 10, 2000.

Frank-

My great grandmother married quite young and began having children a year after her wedding. Her husband was a miner, and money was always tight, right from the beginning. She had a baby a year, almost, right up to the day he died, and was pregnant at the time of his death. She later lost that baby while carrying a particularly large load of laundry for a neighbor in order to make ends meet. My grandmother, who was about six or seven at the time, went to get the doctor, who knew she couldn't pay and refused to come.

At the time of my great grandfather's death, his family was already getting charity from the local church and distant relatives. There was no welfare, WIC, or workman's comp, so though the charity continued after her husband's death, without his income they were in trouble quick. All of her children worked together to make ends meet, but the oldest was only eleven at the time, and they weren't much help. It was common in those days to farm boys out when the family couldn't care for them, but none of her sons were old enough to be much help on a farm and consequently no one would take them. My great-grandmother took in laundry and mending, begged, worked odd jobs, and sold just about everything that wasn't nailed down to feed her kids, but there simply wasn't enough to go around for all the mouths she had.

The rest of the story is long and depressing, sort of like Angela's Ashes. I'll spare you the details. Nothing my grandmother could have done would have prevented her husband from getting killed. However, she admitted that she had more children than she could handle at the time of his death, and if her family had been smaller, the situation after his death would have been considerably less dire. All of her children abandoned her belief that contraception in sinful. Which is better, to watch three children starve to death or to have never had those children in the first place?

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), August 10, 2000.

Tarzan,

It's a sad story. But remember, hindsight lets you see different things than foresight. She didn't KNOW her husband was going to die ahead of time, and if he hadn't all her kids might have been fine. If she HAD desired to start having abortions, maybe she would have started with the FIRST child, and then we wouldn't be having this conversation (which wouldn't have been a good thing either).

I don't know, but I still can't accept this as a rationale for planned infanticide.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), August 11, 2000.

Frank-

My point in telling the story of my great-grandmother is to say that women should be empowered to plan their own families. She would not have had an abortion, but she would not have chosen to have one child every year for ten years either. Three children who starved to death, seven who had skeletal and developmental disabilities due to malnutrition and one miscarrrage. All of this misery could have been avoided with education and access to contraception. Sure, some of her children might not have been born, including my own grandmother. But then, three of them probably wouldn't have starved to death either.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), August 12, 2000.