It's an election year - would you vote for, the polly, or the doomer...greenspun.com : LUSENET : TB2K spinoff uncensored : One Thread
Yea, I know, I'm stretching things here. But if you consider just the debate facts, who won the Y2K election? Did the pollies do a good job at presenting their point? Or did the doomers do a better job?
Who would you vote for? A polly, that looks at everything thru rose colored glasses? Or a doomer, that says better safe than sorry?
Who won the war??? <:)=
-- Sysman (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 21, 2000
You've set up a strawman and expect us to knock it down. You've made pollies out be nincompoops with rose colored glasses while the doomers were just being prudent. It wasn't that simple and you know it.
Let me ask a question. Who would you vote for, Flint or Milne? Flint didn't have rose colored glasses and Milne was....slightly....beyond being prudent. That is the real range, not just terms like polly and doomer.
-- Jim Cooke (JJCooke@yahoo.com), July 21, 2000.
Jesus, Jim, let's be a little fair. That's like saying who would you vote for, Brian or CPR.
If you make it a decent choice (e.g. Brian or Patricia) the answer would probably have to be Patricia, although Brian's fears for the bubble economy we have seemed scary at the time.
-- Elmo (email@example.com), July 21, 2000.
Sysman, y2k is over. Take a look at your calendar. It is July 21st. There are no significant failures to date. Why can't you understand that y2k is over?
-- It's Over (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 21, 2000.
I vote for FutureShock.
-- FutureShock (email@example.com), July 21, 2000.
The vote should be pretty simple. Mickey Mouse. Wasn't he a polly?
Seriously Sysman, you loaded this question, sort of like "when did you stop beating your wife?" Ask a fair question and you'll get the response you're looking for. Doomers did want to see the truth. The "rose colored" glasses turned out to be the truth. Didn't Hoff present his points clearly, yet that other doomer moron just babbled on and on.
-- Maria (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 21, 2000.
To It's Over:
Where the hell have you been with your wonderful point all these weeks when CPR and Andy Ray have just gone on and on, and then on some more.
-- Elmo (email@example.com), July 21, 2000.
Neither. I'd vote for the moderate.
-- Buddy (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 21, 2000.
Bruce, your Polly/Doomer analogy is beneath you. I was just getting to the point where I enjoyed conversing with sysman and along comes this rather childish post. It appears that my long time impression of you was correct. You just dont seem to have the strength of character required to deal with your bruised and fragile ego. The less you remind yourself of your role in the Y2K debacle the sooner the inner healing will begin.
Not a flame Bruce, just sound advice.
-- Ra (email@example.com), July 21, 2000.
Sysman, what possibly could have driven you to generate this idea, type it into the little white box AND click on Submit? Smoking something sweet that I should know about - (sniff, sniff)?
We all have lapses, none more so than myself, so don't take this to heart, Bruce. Just bewildered over here, that's all.
-- Bingo1 (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 21, 2000.
Is Barbie REALLY on the ballot? :-)
---sumer @ work
-- consu e (email@example.com), July 21, 2000.
OK, maybe I didn't say this in the right was, or I didn't explain myself well enough. Yea, now that I look at it again, it does look like a loaded question. Believe me, I'm not trying to "start" trouble with the polly/doomer remarks. But to me, it does seem like we are dealing with two types of personalities.
Now this is just an example, so don't get all bent out of shape (grin).
To me, the "polly" is the type of person that says "damn the torpedos, full speed ahead." The type of person that drives 15 MPH over the speed limit, thinking that I have a new car, new tires, new brakes, I'll never get into an accident. The type of person that invests every penny that he has in the stock market, thinking that it can only go up. The type of person that has ultimate faith in technology. The type of person that lives life on the edge. Don't get me wrong, in some ways, I live my life this way. But the older I get, the more "doomerish" I become.
And the doomer is the type of person that drives at the speed limit, driving a 1987 Honda CRX (an old grin), thinking that if that wheel does fall off, I don't want to be doing 70 when it does. The type of person that invests in an FDIC insured CD, knowing that the rate may suck, but it is guaranteed. The type of person that questions technology. The type of person that lives life from day to day, and doesn't take any chances. Like I said, the older I get...
So the real question is, what kind of person do you put your faith in? There is much to be said for someone that wants to go for the gold, no matter what the cost. But there's also much to be said for the conservative (not that I am one) point of view.
Forget polly and doomer. What kind of person do you want running this country? The person that pushes the envelope, or the person that says if it ain't broke, don't fix it?
To answer a few answers...
I would vote for Flint also.
Yes, Hoff did do a very good job, and he was right. I have a great deal of respect for Hoff, even though we were on opposite sides. But I still think that he wore rose colored glasses. He put the polly spin on everything, the FAA reports, the NERC "drill," no matter what "bad news" showed up, Hoff always spent his time telling us how it could never happen. I don't think that he ever asked himself, what if it could happen? Do you get my point, Maria?
I'm enjoying our conversations also. Like I said, I guess I presented this in the wrong way, and I'm sorry. Don't let my mistake hinder our relationship.
Sorry, I don't have anything sweet to smoke (but I wish I did)...
Have a nice weekend folks. I'm going to bed, and then I'm going to spend the weekend in a boat, on the Delaware river. And I'm not bringing my wireless notebook...
-- Sysman (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 22, 2000.
How do you come up with the descriptions of pollys and doomers? If this is how you see the way it was, then you were and still are lying to yourself.
Like saying that anyone who smokes pot is nothing more than a long haired hippy who never held a job in his life and puts acid in punchbowls at childrens parties and as well as using pot, uses meth, crack and herion, which he supplies by breaking into people's homes when he isn't shooting rival gang members.
In other words, you were trying to cover your ass by exagerating striotypes and endded up exposing it for all to see *GRIN*.
-- Cherri (email@example.com), July 22, 2000.
So now you're calling me a hippie?
-- moderate (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 22, 2000.
And the doomer is the type of person that drives at the speed limit, driving a 1987 Honda CRX
Actually, a doomer is the type of person that drives at the speed limit, driving a fully loaded Sherman Tank while wearing body armor.
The type of person that invests in an FDIC insured CD, knowing that the rate may suck, but it is guaranteed.
LOL. A doomer would never invest in the banking system at all. Don't you know that the banks are "toast?" More likely, they would invest in gold, or better yet, bullets.
The type of person that questions technology.
Not all technology. For example, they don't question the laser-guided sight on their sniper rifle, their generator, or their woodstove.
The type of person that lives life from day to day, and doesn't take any chances.
Waiting for TS to finally HTF. It'll happen, just you wait! You'll see!
-- (email@example.com), July 22, 2000.
"A polly, that looks at everything thru rose colored glasses? Or a doomer, that says better safe than sorry?"
Well....at least we all know why the doomers were so wrong about y2k.....at least, if this is any indication of their thought processes.
Expecting no big problems meant you were using rose colored glasses? I can see why some might have thought that prior to CDC, but now?!?!?!?
-- Psych Major (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 22, 2000.