I am so sick and tired of all the complaints of Andy Ray and his cohorts to the MIT staff that I have decided to shut down this forum.

I don't know if his claims of invasion of privacy are accurate or not, and frankly I could care less at this point. I spent my time and energy to provide a medium in which ideas could be discussed freely (and to test my software), and it pains me to admit that poor judgement on the part of the sysops could combine with one pissed-off asshole to bring it to this point; but it has.

This forum will close at midnight EDT, July 7, 2000. Y2k is over people, get a life.

PG

-- Phil Greenspun (philg@mit.edu), July 07, 2000

Answers

OK, Phil. You da man. It has always been your rarely-acknowledged effort that made this place possible. If it has become a pain in the ass for you, you have every right to shut us down. It come with being the responsible party and paying the bills, as you well know!

Thanks for everything. Sorry to see it end.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), July 07, 2000.

Hmmm...Does anyone else smell an inposter here?

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 07, 2000.

It is 2 AM Eastern Standard Time. Nothing shut down! We've been hoodwinked!

-- snuggy (snuggy@aol.com), July 07, 2000.

I think he means midnight tonight. I'm sure that is what that meant.

-- As a matter of fact... (Helping@you.out), July 07, 2000.

It wouldn't matter if this forum closed. Another would simply pop up to replace it. In fact, the name could THEN be changed, eliminating Y2k from the discussion altogether.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), July 07, 2000.

THAT'S GOOD PHIL, AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO CREEPER AND ANDY GAY ANYMORE, THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE. bUT WHAT ARE THOSE GUYS GOING TO DO WITH ALL OF THE CRAP THAT KEEPS OOZING OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS? OH, THAT'S RIGHT, THEY CAN INSERT THEIR HEADS BACK UP THEIR ASSES WHERE THEY BELONG. BUT I DON'T THINK THERE IS ROOM FOR ANY MORE CRAP IN THERE, THEY HAVE BEEN FULL OF CRAP FOR A LONG TIME. WELL, GUESS THEY'LL JUST EXPLODE. HOPEFULLY ALL OF THEIR CRAP WILL GO WAY OUT INTO SPACE. HOPE THEY DON'T PISS OFF THE ALIENS.

-- BIG TEXT MAN (NO MORE CREEPER @ YIPPEE. YAHOO!), July 07, 2000.

How many tags are there ??

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), July 07, 2000.

" OFF



-- (kb8um8@yahoo.com), July 07, 2000.

That big font is what young teens do to get attention when they first get on the web. Big words to compensate for small brains and show an ego that needs to be fed.

Look at me I'm so cute I can post BIG.

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), July 07, 2000.

Actually, Big Text Man, it looks more like a routing problem. Back to the drawing board. You're welcome to buy me some lunch...

-- (kb8um8@yahoo.com), July 07, 2000.

Phil Greenspun's post reads, "I am so sick and tired of all the complaints of Andy Ray and his cohorts to the MIT staff..."

Andy Ray's post reads, " I have not emailed anyone at MIT about regarding matter [sic]."

The question is: have any of Andy Ray's cohorts (his lawyer and/or others contacted by Andy Ray), complained to the MIT staff?

-- James Donald (jas.donald@usa.net), July 07, 2000.

The question is: have any of Andy Ray's cohorts (his lawyer and/or others contacted by Andy Ray), complained to the MIT staff?

LOL.

Andy Ray has no cohorts.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), July 07, 2000.

My above answer was in reference to *image* space rather than *file* space. The overly large font takes longer to read than the usual font, wasting the reader's time. I have no problem skipping over it, provided that those using it would be conscientious about restoring font size to its previous value.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), July 07, 2000.

Yeah, it'd be nice if OTFR would pipe in and let us know if this was real or not, but OTOH I suppose I'll find out soon enough.

Good luck all anyway,

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), July 07, 2000.

If this forum's days are up, if someone would just let me know (by e- mail or wherever) where we're goin', I'll rest a little easier tonight.

In any case, I trust everything'll turn out all right.

-- eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), July 07, 2000.

Don't give it another thought, Eve. If this forum were shut down, someone would post some alternative urls over on Yourdon's board. You're not the only person who posts on both boards; some just post under different names for reasons that have been discussed on other threads. Okay? Have a great Friday. Summer is so short ... get out and enjoy it while you can.

-- (kb8um8@yahoo.com), July 07, 2000.

This forum should close. The reality is that nothing said about Y2k matters any more. Come up to anyone on the street and mention the names, Milne, Olson, Hamasaki or on the other side Reuben and Andy Ray and all you'll get is blank stares. Of course, less than one in a thousand knew those names in Y2k's hey day. That's how revelant we all were. "Names" will have to be made somewhere else.

Shut it down and thanks for the ride.

-- Hiway (Hiway441@aol.com), July 07, 2000.

This forum should close. The reality is that nothing said about Y2k matters any more.

Then why are you still here talking about it? Have you noticed that there are many postings here having nothing to do with Y2K?

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), July 07, 2000.

Wow!!!!! Looks like Phil to me, and if Chuck agrees, I guess its a 'given', I retract my earlier statement on another thread, looks like it will be closing.

AR threats and if you notice, Phil appears to be blaming OTFR as well.

Oh well, it has been 'different' to say the least. But if you go to the link which provides the yourdon forum, you will see for yourselves some who posted here are actually a bit two-faced.

I've noticed that alot who used to post more have not done so. Due to summer, I didnt think that strange. I met alot of 'cool' folks, and even made up with EVE :-)

I never felt this was about y2k, but the likes of AR and a few other idiots wanted it to be. I didnt even care about that really. It was just nice to have a place to be able to speak out, uncensored.

If anyone else wishes to start a board, please advise and give addy.

Good luck to you all and Capn, you are the 'greatest'!!!!

luvs and hugz -----sumer

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), July 07, 2000.

Sumer, the other Spinoff LUSENET forum is at:

SpinOff SpinOff

AND there is still the FRL at:

FRL Friends

-- A Nice Person (Helping@You.OUt), July 07, 2000.

Wow!!!!! Looks like Phil to me,

That does appear to be the intent.

and if Chuck agrees, I guess its a 'given',

Why is that?

I retract my earlier statement on another thread, looks like it will be closing.

Perhaps you shouldn't be so quick with your retraction.

AR threats

Actually, AR specifically mentioned in this thread that he did not email MIT.

and if you notice, Phil appears to be blaming OTFR as well.

But if AR didn't email MIT, what is Phil supposedly blaming OTFR for? Unless, of course, it's not really Phil.

If anyone else wishes to start a board, please advise and give addy.

There's no need to start one. This post is a fake.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), July 07, 2000.

Where in Hades is our chief picker of nits when we nee him?

"This forum will close at midnight EDT, July 7, 2000."

Flint,

Shouldn't we be shuttered already? Which day owns the midnight?

-- flora (***@__._), July 07, 2000.

I have started a new thread, posting a message from Philip that I received in e-mail at approximately 3 pm EDT today. He says this announcement to close the forum did not come from him.

-- (Normally) Oxy (Oxsys@aol.com), July 07, 2000.

Don't get Flint started, PLEASE. He could write a book about this one, and Decker would undoubtedly debate him until hell freezes over.

-- Hawk (flyin@hi.again), July 07, 2000.

"That big font is what young teens do to get attention when they first get on the web. Big words to compensate for small brains and show an ego that needs to be fed. Look at me I'm so cute I can post BIG. -- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), July 07, 2000."

LOOK AT ME, I'M SO CUTE!! LOLOL!! LOOKY, I CAN USE ALL CAPS JUST LIKE THE CREEPER BOY!! I'M SO CUTE!! YEEHEEEE!

-- (BIG@TEXT.MAN), July 07, 2000.

Look, it's driving him nuts that someone is using bigger text, he can't stand it!

LOL. I'd say the one being "driven nuts" is the one who feels compelled to shout in large fonts and use multiple exclamation marks.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), July 07, 2000.

Now hold on hmm,there ain't nothin' wrong with multiple exclamation points : )

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), July 07, 2000.

I have a serious question about Andy Ray

Andy Ray was once on the list of banned trolls. Why is he no longer there? just curious.

-- Butt Nugget (catsbutt@umailme.com), January 23, 2000

Answers

Because he kept complaining about being on the list, to the MIT President, et. al., including Philip Greenspun, and Philip asked me to take him off the list with the proviso that AndyRay would NEVER again contact him, or the others at MIT, or post here, again, otherwise Philip would block his ISP. That's why.

It's very simple, for the other four, to get off that list. Quit posting here. Duh.

It's a big, big net out there. They all engaged in repeat spamming and DOS attacks on this forum. That childish, disruptive action will get someone banned. They all crossed the line in netiquette behavior.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), January 23, 2000.

-- Andy (is@cry.baby), July 07, 2000.

It's very simple, for the other four, to get off that list. Quit posting here. Duh.

---

NEW TBY2K POLICY: Trolls Will Be Trashed. Keep That In Mind Before Posting. Any Posters Or Group Of Posters That Engage In Or Have Participated In Spamming The Forum Or Denial Of Service Activities Will Be Rapidly Tossed -- No Explanations. Thanks -- TBY2K Sysops

Especially:

 (Doomers@suck.big time!!) (Lead spammer)
 You Knowwho (debunk@doomeridiots.com)
 Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com)
 Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com)
 Laura (Ladylogic46@aol.com)

Note: Repeat spamming and troll offenders will have their ISP publicly displayed, so regular posters can file abuse complaints, in addition to the Sysops. THINK, before you spam or troll here.

Fascism in action. Still available at the Hysterium.

---

Looks like this was about as true as anything else the nazis said...

-- LMAO2 (LMAO2@pathetic.doomer.idiots), July 07, 2000.

"There are almost as many lies in your accusatory questions"

Like what, Andy? Show me where I am wrong.

Why else would he complain to MIT?

Thanks to Andy (is@cry.baby) above, I don't have to go find the thread where Diane said why your name was removed from the delete list. Is Diane lying? Did you, or did you not, contact the President of MIT, and Philip Greenspun? Simple question, yes or no. And if you didn't, please explain why your name was removed.

Why else would he talk about how to disrupt TB2K on another forum?

Yea, we've been thru this. You told us once again that it wasn't you. But in the same re-post, you also told everyone how to do it, and showed the code fragment. But it wasn't you that posted it in the first place. OK Andy, if you say so. You keep saying that you are innocent, but I just wonder why you have been "charged" so many times...

Why else would he still have such a rage towards all doomers?

Don't you, Andy? If it isn't rage, what is it?

<:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), July 07, 2000.

Like what, Andy? Show me where I am wrong.

Actually, you were wrong when you started with this premise:

I don't think "Plil" started this thread, but I guess we'll all find out soon enough. Doesn't he call himself Philip? If I remember, he doesn't like being called Phil...

and went on to use it as proof of this premise:

But it does serve as another good example of what kind of person Andy Ray is. A cry baby, on top of all his other qualities. Like he's something special, different from everyone else that had the guts to post on TB2K.

So, you start out by saying that you think that the message is a fake, and yet in your second statement, you're using information from the message that you think is a fake as an example of what kind of person Andy Ray is.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), July 07, 2000.

Sysman, Trying to figure out these guys is an awful lot like trying to fix a "rats nest" on a casting reel... you can do it with a lot of effort, but the line will be kinked and weak when you're done... better to just cut it out and shit can it... you know, start fresh.

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 07, 2000.

hmm,

No, I used the current message as a reminder of what Andy did in the past, or at least what Diane said he did. Maybe Chuck will comment on this again.

Netghost,

Yea, I am tired of this. But as long as people like Andy continue to call people idiots, and as long as he feels the need to "single me out" I guess it's my job to remind people of just what kind of a guy Andy really is.

But for now, I've got better things to do. Another beautiful evening here in NJ. Time to go sit on my deck, with my favorite blonde, who will be here in about 10 minutes.

Later. <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), July 07, 2000.

No, I used the current message as a reminder of what Andy did in the past, or at least what Diane said he did.

But you acknowledged that the current message is a fake. You're using information that is false as your "reminder" of what Andy did. You took this false information and said that it serves as another good example of what kind of person Andy Ray is. If the information is false how can it serve as a "good example" of anything except "what a forged message looks like"?

Maybe Chuck will comment on this again.

I don't see how that would help.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), July 07, 2000.

Hmmm, do you think that Andy has spammed this forum?... do you think that his posts are all about a vindictive crusade to make himself look a like he has a clue?... grow up.

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 07, 2000.

Hmmm, do you think that Andy has spammed this forum?...

No.

do you think that his posts are all about a vindictive crusade to make himself look a like he has a clue?...

Not particularly.

grow up.

In what way do I need to "grow up?"

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), July 07, 2000.

Hmmm, try not to be a jock strap for their bullshit?

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 07, 2000.

In what way am I a "jock strap for their bullshit?"

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), July 07, 2000.

You do seem to be a "ball' carrier for them :-)... Baaaaaa.

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 07, 2000.

You do seem to be a "ball' carrier for them :-)... Baaaaaa.

Clearly you enjoy using these metaphorical phrases, but you still haven't explained how they relate to my arguments.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), July 07, 2000.

hmm,

Nevermind Netty, he just wants to hump you.

-- Friendly Ghost (heain'tc@sper.com), July 07, 2000.

Hmmm... did you notice who the first sceptic was on this thread?... I didn't see you guys in there saying it was bullshit... try practicing what you preach.

Hey... sometimes you just get lucky :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 08, 2000.

No sin... you just want to hump me.

You know who you are and... :-)

Cap... don't get to many hopes up here... you know what I mean?

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 08, 2000.

Netty,

Did you sceptic or skeptic? Anyway this place is closed go to bed!

BTW, thanks for the other night. Was it good for you too?

-- Friendly Ghost (heain'tc@sper.com), July 08, 2000.

Hmmm... did you notice who the first sceptic was on this thread?...

Yes, it was you.

I didn't see you guys in there saying it was bullshit...

If you are referring to the original post being a fake, I did point out above that Andy had already stated that he was not going to pursue the IP matter and even linked to his original post. Perhaps you should read the thread again.

try practicing what you preach.

How am I not "practicing what I preach?"

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), July 08, 2000.

Sin??? You mean that you think I'm Cin?

LOL. Get a clue. And here I thought that you were on the right track. Sould have known better. Bye Markie.

-- Friendly Ghost (heain'tc@sper.com), July 08, 2000.

Ya cin... accually it really was good for me... uhhh... how is Laura doing theses days?

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 08, 2000.

NG,

"Cap... don't get to many hopes up here... you know what I mean?"

Say what? Netghost,surely you weren't referring to moi? If so you are badly mistaken : |

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), July 08, 2000.

Sysyman,

What's the matter? Did you not understand the Doomer Meme interpretation above? :)

Vindicated and Amused Regards,
Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), July 08, 2000.