Stevie "I am not worthy of a Flying Pig because I don't make predictions" ResumeBoy:

AFTER 1/1/2000 SPIN CYCLE

HOMINA,HOMANA BEEBOB BBBBBBuuuuuTTT-Head said:

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0012l9

I'm sad to say that I'm not truly qualified for this award, as it is supposed to be bestowed only on those who have made failed predictions. I've made no predictions, so I can't have made any failed ones. However, I'm honored to accept it anyway. Being insulted by the morons on the "Debunking" site is a great tribute to my intelligence and character. Thanks again, morons!

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), July 06, 1999.

PRE-1/1/2000 SPIN FROM I am not worthy:

http://x71.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=490014274&CONTEXT=962845923.1417543799&hitnum=48

I am assuming that there is a significant probability that the current banking system will fail and be replaced by a new one, based on hard money. If that happens, old assets and liabilities will be wiped out as the currency is destroyed. There will be banks, all right, but it won't do the current depositors any good.

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No, it isn't the computers. It's the POWER GRID, which in its current form has VERY LONG SUPPLY LINES. Without ELECTRICAL POWER, how will we EVER fix the bad programs? Answer: we won't. Thus, we will need a way to generate power that DOESN'T have long supply lines, e.g., steam engines that can run on wood. Is that simple enough for you?

-- Steve Heller, WA0CPP http://x71.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=493566588&CONTEXT=962845923.1417543799&hitnum=65

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As the coiner of the phrase "iron triangle" as it applies to Y2K, I can say with a fair degree of authority that my original definition was banking, telecommunications, and electric power. However, I think Gary North's addition of water supply improves it. I guess that would make it the "iron quadrangle" now.

http://x71.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=546672726&CONTEXT=962845923.1417543799&hitnum=67 Steve Heller, WA0CPP

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-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 06, 2000

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HOURS TO 1/1/2000.....RESUME-BOY: "The "optimists" have no valid arguments,.."

http://x71.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp? AN=565905576&CONTEXT=962845923.1417543799&hitnum=99

Subject: Re: Ivan Mingham (Re: I was wrong . . .) Date: 12/28/1999

Author: Steve Heller

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brazilian_jiujitsu@my-deja.com wrote:

>I find it amusing that you people put so much >energy into insulting and researching the >identity of a person guilty of nothing more than >expressing his opinion, instead of shooting holes >in any of his ideas.

It gets much less amusing the more you see it.

>I dont know much about Y2K, and this is my first >time here, but if this is any kind of example of >how the two sides on the subject present their >points, I am going to start digging a bunker >tonight.

Better late than never. Seriously, though, I don't think you'll need a bunker. However, food, clean water, heat, and defense are very important; start there. You don't have much time, so get off the computer and GET GOING!

>From what I can see, the gent who is predicting >the return to the dark ages, is using well >thought out, rational, and logical points to >support his position. In contrast, the other side >seems to be acting like a bunch of school >children trying to kick sand in the face of the >"smart kid".

Correct on all counts, although I'm not as pessimistic as he is. I think we'll get by with a major disaster, but it won't be the end of civilization. Of course, I could be wrong; it could be worse.

>Perhaps my first impressions are completely >incorrect, but I think you should be aware of how >this all looks to an outsider.

No, your impressions are correct. The "optimists" have no valid arguments, so they call the "pessimists" names. None of this will matter soon; all that will matter is whether you are prepared for whatever happens.

-- Steve Heller, WA0CPP

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 06, 2000.

Charlie:

I know that you and Steve have a vendetta going, but do you REALLY believe he influenced anyone? I'd never heard of him before coming to TB I, and I doubt anyone else did either. Even after I saw his posts they were so full of HIM that I dismissed him. If folks were so gullible as to think HE was an authority, I say they deserve whatever they got. How is it that I can dismiss this guy and you cannot?

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), July 06, 2000.

Anita, such a question after all this time ignores the "radiation effect" of Y2k. Patricia, Don Taylor and I could spot a Doomer after about the 2nd paragraph of a post to de Jager's list or the other ones. Many of those people just like some on TB I claimed "I never read Gary North, Yourdon and don't know what you are talking about". BUT, in reality they were "getting the message" even if 4-7 layers removed from the source of the Pollution. We know and can prove that.

When efforts were made to counter such things, up would jump a Heller or a Paul Milne or one of the other self-appointed "Y2k Sheriffs" to ride into town and "stifle them". THAT was what Heller was doing on DeBunking Y2k while "amusing himself". I have copies of one particular list that the "boys" JUMP when it was started to "straighten the list out" www.y2kisok.com and they did it on BIFFY also. Milne was about the 10th poster but he found Buddy DC there and never returned.

The game they played was to do anything to DISCREDIT opposing views and people. LOOK at Heller's diatribe on POOLE.

But it was the "IMPLIED EXPERTNESS" effect that North and Hyatt and others all used to build their cases and buttress their PROPAGANDA. North took Heller's words and sent them around the net. Yourdon quoted him. Heller takes credit for the "Iron Triangle" that for a long time was the foundation of the Scare.

It is in the constant drum beat of the same messages placed over and over again that the entire Scare was erected. *Responsible people* such as Peter de Jager knew that the original Y2k computer problem had been (as I charged) "HiJacked" by the Norths, Yourdons and every two bit hustler on the Net trying to get "a piece of the action". That was why they turned so viciously on Peter in 1998 and ran down both the Debunkers and ANYONE who was "anti-Doom". Heller was in there and not "incidental". HE BRAGGED ABOUT IT to the end.

There are 430 posts on Deja alone for him re: Y2k. Now they all seem like "minor comments" to outsiders but those who knew the context of the "running commentary" that was going on, know just how damaging some of this was. If you doubt it, trace the Anti-Joe McIsaacs and Anti-Howard Belasco threads. Better yet, just digest this:

LINK

http://www.aleae.com/rollover/

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 06, 2000.

I think you guys are making up this "Steve Heller" guy!! Nobody could be this stupid!!! Hollywood would show you the door if had a script like this! Are you sure you don't have him mixed up with PeeWee Herman? We put Y2K behind us in mid 97.Never could understand what the fuss all about.Only problem we had was a 1st generation control unit that was from hell! {Maybe from heller?}Didn't need y2k to screw up. But the sales dept. made a killing selling newer panels. Hell,we weren't sure if the damn thing would sink in the river,much less have y2k problems!!! Like a lot of people in the Industry,we started out as 8 or 9,but rapidly fell to a 1 to .5 as we addressed and explored the problem. But enough of y2k, you guys need to come with a more plausible fall guy then this "heller" guy.In the real world,he would be escorted to his car and told not to come back. Cheers!!! A real pain in the a$$ to work on.

-- 42 years in the electrical/electonics field engineer. (engineer@home.com), July 06, 2000.

Charlie:

I agree with the engineer guy. Heller just didn't cut the mustard. His arguments were like swiss-cheese. [Heh...they still are.]

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), July 06, 2000.

Anita,

Swiss cheese to you and I and the people capable of reading past his cliche' ridden mantras. But that was his sales pitch, "Who do you believe, ME, Mr. Resume-Boy, or them, the unworthy debunkers and pollies none of whom might even know how to write ........a Resume'".

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 06, 2000.

Charlie:

At some point you need to refrain from being responsible for what the gullible swallow. The folks who swallowed THIS mantra swallowed plenty more. Some folks just LOVE swallowing this stuff. *I* don't know why, and neither do you, but if it didn't take logic to sway one INTO a philosophy, why would you assume logic could sway one OUT of a philosophy?

The folks who fell for this stuff have ALWAYS been the folks who fell for this stuff, and they'll be the folks that fall for this stuff tomorrow. Are you going to devote the rest of your life to protecting them from THEMSELVES?

Y2k filled a gap in many lives. People can go on and on about memetics, but folks who have full lives and self-esteem aren't looking for a reason to puff themselves up. In the same way, folks that live full lives and have self-esteem aren't looking BACK on this one.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), July 06, 2000.

Touche', Anita.

-- (kb8um8@yahoo.com), July 06, 2000.