Court decision for the trolling doomers

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11. JUDGE RULES THAT ONLINE CRITICS CANNOT HIDE In late May, a Florida judge ruled that an anonymous critic is not entitled to any special privileges preventing his or her unmasking in litigation just because the comments were posted on the Internet. Rejecting First Amendment arguments, Judge Eleanor Schockett of the Miami-Dade County Circuit Court ordered that Yahoo and America Online comply with a subpoena and reveal the names of online posters so they could be named as defendants in a libel suit. The lawyer for the defendants has said that his clients will appeal the decision to the Third District Court of Appeal in Miami and that he will seek a stay of the order pending appeal. The suit originated with a Yahoo message board in which several anonymous users posted allegedly false and defamatory statements about the company Hvide Marine, Inc. and its chief executive officer, ultimately resulting in his resignation. Further information may be found at

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-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 01, 2000

Answers

Look out creep, Yourdon and North might come after you :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 01, 2000.

Creep, You sniff jockstraps, don't you?

-- Anonymous (Trolling@Doomers.com), July 01, 2000.

North has been posting anonymously to lists and forums for years. He even gave instructions about how to do it to beginning Doomzies.

Come to think of it, NG -->GN. Net Ghost --Gary North

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 01, 2000.


BTW, I think Creep's on the lam for murder. Or at least for stealing sweatsocks out of the Redskins locker room.

*eeeeeeeeew*

-- (Trolling@Doomers.com), July 01, 2000.


Come on creeper.... you know better than that !!!! If I was North I'd have sued you months ago... same for Yourdon. My guess is you are to small of a fish to fry, no matter how loud your mouth is... now with me, I'm just "poor white trailer trash"... you bigoted ass hole !!!

Not that you know one thing about me :-) Want to see your Real Estate record published on-line?... How about a new web-site?... Charles P. Ruben is a ripe-off.com?... with links from all of the Texas pages?... Just how big was that stone you case first?

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 01, 2000.



Netty,

"Carles P. Rueben is a ripe-off.com" "Just how big was that stone you case first?"

I told you before if you want to bash or insult people at least spell correctly. For Christ's sakes you are beginning to remind me of Al- D. Both in your inability to spell and your inchorent ramblings you little twit!

And by the way what have you got against your trailer trash clientele Mark? Why don't you post your sales record on the net? Including year,make and model for the unit sold, as well as to the clan it was sold to. Consider this a "stone casing". What a dip-shit.

-- Friendly Ghost (he ain'tc@sper.com), July 02, 2000.


LOOKS LIKE THE **SATURDAY "CAN'T GET A DATE CLUB"*** MET AGAIN LAST NIGHT.


GET a LIFE **NET GHOST MARK**. YOU, "CT", Old Sheet, A&L, Sysman and the rest of you COULDN"T "OUT" YOUR OWN KITCHEN GARBAGE MUCH LESS ONE OF THE DE-BUNKERS .


But the ANTI-DOOMSTERS COULD FIND ***MUCH*** TO QUESTION ABOUT .................."THE FINANICIAL ASPECTS OF Y2k FEAR MONGERING" ......COULDN"T WE???


***IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE MAKING FALSE CHARGES SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE ****** AND NO MATTER WHAT THE "CAUSE".


"Net Ghost Mark" forgets *I* didn't try to SELL ANYTHING OR FRIGHTEN ANYBODY over the **BIG BAD Y2k WOLF*****. Any charges that my activities were business related are LIES. I DO NOT EVEN HAVE A WEB "business or real estate site" and I was one of the first to have one in DFW in 1995. I won't do business with Y2k contacts. PERIOD. EVEN THE DE-BUNKERS.


What a riot. The "Privacy Paranoids" surface as soon as you mention anything about FORCING THE IRRESPONSIBLE TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.


You have been hounding me for over a YEAR trying to MUDDLE THE ISSUES. THE ISSUE WAS AND IS THE FEAR MONGERS NOT ME.


You might as well as for a pay check from Gary and the rest of the Doomzies. Only problem is that you should have gotten it "UP FRONT" because YOU, CT, OLD SHEET and the rest, made FOOLS OF YOURSELVES TRYING TO DEFEND WHAT CAN"T BE DEFENDED.


WHY ARE THE "ANONYMOUS POSTERS" SO SENSITIVE ?? DO THEY THINK ITS RIGHT THAT SELF_APPOINTED GUARDIANS OF THE FAITH SHOULD HOUND PROCTOR AND GAMBLE OVER A LOGO FOR TEN YEARS ..............while selling material in a newsletter ???


Is it right that Gary North and his ILK should pass off HEARSAY as "fact"? And then the Y2k forum people pass around the same stories for YEARS?? "Coff's Harbor Chemical Spill" was A HOAX and FRAUD. IT IS STILL ONLINE!!! Gary North claimed he got a fax from Australia with the story. AS PER USUAL,,,,,,,,because it was "baaaaad" Gary put it online. IT MORPHED INTO A **BULL SHIT STORY** PASSED OVER THE NET UNTIL ****SENATOR ROBERT BENNETT*** repeated it as "a water treatment plant in my state....." . And when asked to ID the PLANT, BENNETT WAS SILENT.


I AM NOT "THE ISSUE". I DON'T BOTHER WITH THE **LITTLE WHITE SHEETERS OF Y2k LIKE "Net GHOST MARK" unless they feel free to try to invade my privacy or ring my phones in the middle of the night with threats.


EVEN THEN, most of those "types" are merely NUT CASES FILLED WITH HOT AIR.


I saved the IPs of posters to the de-bunking boards SO **EVERYONE COULD SEE WHO THE DOOM TROLLERS WERE. AND UP SURFACED: HELLER AND DENNIS "I never post anywhere except under my own name" Olsen, TV STAR and proud owner of 200 Plus boxes of Tuna and Burger Helper and 450 gallons of water. (He forgot to mention the gasoline he stored which he got into his garage at night so his neighbors wouldn't see.)


THE ANTI-DOOM DE=BUNKERS ****EXPOSED**** THE FEAR PUSHERS OF Y2K. And WE were NOT ALONE. Even the CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCTIONISTS DEMANDED THAT NORTH STOP AND AFTER CDC, demanded that NORTH be tried by his church as a FALSE PROPHET. HYATT? After a Baptist Minister offered him an olive branch to save face, HYATT added the "Westergaard Gang" from Susan Conniry, Jim Lord to Warren "I'm a little expert tea pot" BoneHead whose leanings were obvious after he became Hyatt's "web site editor".


YOURDON??? HOW MUCH MORE CAN ANYONE SAY ABOUT ED "TIME BOMB 2000 IS OVER NOW" YOUR-TOAST-ED & FRIED.... WHO ****ALLOWED TB I TO MIS-LEAD SO MANY PEOPLE citing his "Testimony" to Congress and his 35 Yrs. of "expertise" (but not in 75% of what he put n his COMIC BOOK)***?".


AND........I have ....**DEFIED THE ***FUD-PUSHERS OF Y2k**.... TO SUE ME IF ANYTHING I **EVER POST** was NOT THE TRUTH.




-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 02, 2000.


LOOKS LIKE THE **SATURDAY "CAN'T GET A DATE CLUB"*** MET AGAIN LAST NIGHT.

Looks like the ***SUNDAY MORNING "I'M SO MUCH RIGHTER-THAN-THOU THAT I DON'T HAVE TO GO TO CHURCH CLUB"*** is at it, too.

GET a LIFE **NET GHOST MARK**. YOU, "CT", Old Sheet, A&L, Sysman and the rest of you COULDN"T "OUT" YOUR OWN KITCHEN GARBAGE MUCH LESS ONE OF THE DE-BUNKERS .

That makes the assumption that anyone would WANT to "out" you, Charlie. Most people could care less.

But the ANTI-DOOMSTERS COULD FIND ***MUCH*** TO QUESTION ABOUT .................."THE FINANICIAL ASPECTS OF Y2k FEAR MONGERING" ......COULDN"T WE???

Probably. But shooting the victims isn't going to further your "cause" much.

***IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE MAKING FALSE CHARGES SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE ****** AND NO MATTER WHAT THE "CAUSE".

Fair enough. Remember you said that.

"Net Ghost Mark" forgets *I* didn't try to SELL ANYTHING OR FRIGHTEN ANYBODY over the **BIG BAD Y2k WOLF*****. Any charges that my activities were business related are LIES. I DO NOT EVEN HAVE A WEB "business or real estate site" and I was one of the first to have one in DFW in 1995. I won't do business with Y2k contacts. PERIOD. EVEN THE DE-BUNKERS.

If this is the way you conduct yourself in negotiations, most of them probably wouldn't do business with you, either. Is this why you apparently have so much free time these days?

What a riot. The "Privacy Paranoids" surface as soon as you mention anything about FORCING THE IRRESPONSIBLE TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.

But I thought you already knew who the (ir)responsible were, Charlie! So what's your point? Once you've "outted" them, whatcha gonna do about it?

You have been hounding me for over a YEAR trying to MUDDLE THE ISSUES. THE ISSUE WAS AND IS THE FEAR MONGERS NOT ME.

Wrong. The "issue" has been settled. Most people (with a few very notable exceptions) have moved on. You made yourself an issue around here, with all the ranting and raving and frothing at the mouth. What the hell -- you're amusing. It's not often you get to see a mind unravel in real-time.

You might as well as for a pay check from Gary and the rest of the Doomzies. Only problem is that you should have gotten it "UP FRONT" because YOU, CT, OLD SHEET and the rest, made FOOLS OF YOURSELVES TRYING TO DEFEND WHAT CAN"T BE DEFENDED.

Charlie, you ol' sweet-talker, you. Calling people "fools" is probably not going to win you many converts -- but it does seem to be what you do best. If you've got a beef of this magnitude with Yourdon, North, Hyatt, and others, why not take it up directly with them?

WHY ARE THE "ANONYMOUS POSTERS" SO SENSITIVE ?? DO THEY THINK ITS RIGHT THAT SELF_APPOINTED GUARDIANS OF THE FAITH SHOULD HOUND PROCTOR AND GAMBLE OVER A LOGO FOR TEN YEARS ..............while selling material in a newsletter ???

They probably think about it no more than whether or not it's right that a self-anointed jerk should hound them incessantly. Either way, most people have the sense to use the "back" button, as they're probably doing right about now. (By the way, what's Proctor and Gamble got to do with this?)

Is it right that Gary North and his ILK should pass off HEARSAY as "fact"? And then the Y2k forum people pass around the same stories for YEARS?? "Coff's Harbor Chemical Spill" was A HOAX and FRAUD. IT IS STILL ONLINE!!! Gary North claimed he got a fax from Australia with the story. AS PER USUAL,,,,,,,,because it was "baaaaad" Gary put it online. IT MORPHED INTO A **BULL SHIT STORY** PASSED OVER THE NET UNTIL ****SENATOR ROBERT BENNETT*** repeated it as "a water treatment plant in my state....." . And when asked to ID the PLANT, BENNETT WAS SILENT.

Old news. Take it up with them. Unless you're trying to round up people for some kind of holy war.

I AM NOT "THE ISSUE". I DON'T BOTHER WITH THE **LITTLE WHITE SHEETERS OF Y2k LIKE "Net GHOST MARK" unless they feel free to try to invade my privacy or ring my phones in the middle of the night with threats.

See the comment below about posting anonymously. And if you think your address and phone number can't be obtained, you're even more dense than you appear online. Fact is, nobody cares, Charlie. You're not worth the effort. You weren't even yesterday's news. Live with it.

EVEN THEN, most of those "types" are merely NUT CASES FILLED WITH HOT AIR.

ROTFLMAO. No comment.

I saved the IPs of posters to the de-bunking boards SO **EVERYONE COULD SEE WHO THE DOOM TROLLERS WERE. AND UP SURFACED: HELLER AND DENNIS "I never post anywhere except under my own name" Olsen, TV STAR and proud owner of 200 Plus boxes of Tuna and Burger Helper and 450 gallons of water. (He forgot to mention the gasoline he stored which he got into his garage at night so his neighbors wouldn't see.)

...and here's where you've shot yourself in the mouth (again). Making bullshit claims about saving IPs of posters is a REAL good reason not to use actual contact information -- not around here, anyway. Not that I'd expect anyone of such obviously limited mental capabilities (MEME-infected, perhaps?) to make such a connection.

Think I intend to deal with a letter from someone like you in my inbox? I get enough nutcase stuff in there already. I don't need more.

THE ANTI-DOOM DE=BUNKERS ****EXPOSED**** THE FEAR PUSHERS OF Y2K. And WE were NOT ALONE. Even the CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCTIONISTS DEMANDED THAT NORTH STOP AND AFTER CDC, demanded that NORTH be tried by his church as a FALSE PROPHET. HYATT? After a Baptist Minister offered him an olive branch to save face, HYATT added the "Westergaard Gang" from Susan Conniry, Jim Lord to Warren "I'm a little expert tea pot" BoneHead whose leanings were obvious after he became Hyatt's "web site editor".

Okay, if you say so. Congratulations, and thanks. But now who are you defending and attacking? News flash, Charlie -- none of those people post here.

YOURDON??? HOW MUCH MORE CAN ANYONE SAY ABOUT ED "TIME BOMB 2000 IS OVER NOW" YOUR-TOAST-ED & FRIED.... WHO ****ALLOWED TB I TO MIS-LEAD SO MANY PEOPLE citing his "Testimony" to Congress and his 35 Yrs. of "expertise" (but not in 75% of what he put n his COMIC BOOK)***?".

'Taint my job to defend him. He'd probably defend himself if he thought some piss-ant real-estate salesman in Texas was worth the trouble.

AND........I have ....**DEFIED THE ***FUD-PUSHERS OF Y2k**.... TO SUE ME IF ANYTHING I **EVER POST** was NOT THE TRUTH.

Truth? There's probably some in there, once you get past the vitriol. Might be a few libelous statements here and there, too. But I wouldn't worry about being sued, Charlie. No one pays a lot of attention to what you say anymore. It's just that creeper-baiting is so much FUN.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to dismantle the monitor to clean the spittle from the inside of the screen. Ciao, sweetums.

-- (cpr@is.losing.it), July 02, 2000.


creeper-baiting is so much FUN

Truth. Most of us Trolling Doomers just scroll through the poorly-crafted, tedious, all caps ravings and post things like this...

Creep---

You are as phoney as the genuine "sharkskin" wallets you hawk down by the Hanky Panky tattoo parlor when you can't suck enough bus tokens out of the turnstiles in the subway.

-- (Trolling@Doomers.com), July 02, 2000.


>> ... an anonymous critic is not entitled to any special privileges preventing his or her unmasking in litigation just because the comments were posted on the Internet. <<

Gee. Looks to me as if Andy Ray and cpr are working different sides of the street on this issue.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), July 02, 2000.



CEEPER YOU SURE ARE A FUCKING IDIOT!

You can't even read you dumbass! It says that in the event of "a libel suit" an anonymous poster is not protected. It doesn't say there is anything illegal about posting anonymously you dipshit.

BTW, it isn't libel for me to point out the FACT that you are a dumbshit lunatic loudmouth troll, because you prove it every time you post!

-- anonymous (and@loving.it), July 02, 2000.


>> I have ....**DEFIED THE ***FUD-PUSHERS OF Y2k**.... TO SUE ME IF ANYTHING I **EVER POST** was NOT THE TRUTH. <<

cpr, if anything I have posted to this forum, the old TB2000, or to csy2k was NOT THE TRUTH, then I DEFY you to sue me!!!!!!!! (Exclamation points are cheap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Of course, even if everything I posted was as phony as a three dollar bill, your lawyer would have to file a credible brief claiming you were personally damaged by my falsehoods before your case would even be considered.

So, you can see how this works, pretend I made some unflattering characterizations of you. You know what I mean by "unflattering", that would include (purely for example) calling you a moron, unclean, unkind, unfaithful, irrational, incontinent, unable to argue your way out of a paper bag, and having such an ugly face that your mother made you walk on your hands. That sort of thing.

You'd have to prove that my having said these things harmed you in some measurable way. Of course, in normal life all sorts of unflattering things are said in the heat of an argument, so courts understand that simply saying bad things is not punishable.

To take another example, suppose you said that Ed Yourdon was a lying lecherous, unsavory fleabag with the business ethics of a jackal, and you can prove he was shaking down old folks for money at gunpoint. And you *****DEFIED***** Ed Yourdon to sue you if one word of this was untrue.

Well, Ed Yourdon would have to be pretty stupid to try to sue you for that, since first he'd have to prove that anyone was paying attention to you. That right there would be a formidable task.

Then he'd have to prove that the people who were paying attention to you had some capacity to do him harm, and that they may have altered their actions in some slight, but harmful way toward him as a result of what you posted.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), July 02, 2000.


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