Who's Afraid of the New Cool C# (sharp)???

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MS rolls out new Java-like language

C-sharp aims to ease development on Microsoft.NET platform, but isnt a Java competitor, company says By Mary Jo Foley ZDNET

June 26  Microsoft Corp. on Monday rolled out a new programming language called C# (pronounced C-sharp). Company officials have said the language has no relationship to the Java competitor, code-named Cool, that Microsoft was developing a year ago. But at the XML DevCon 2000 conference in New York, Microsoft officials said the new language will have all of the features that Java has  and more.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), June 30, 2000


C sharp,d flat,b sharp,sharp it's all the same to me.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), June 30, 2000.


Without going into too much detail, these notes are all the same to you because of the instrument you play. On, say, a violin these are different notes (since the 12-tone scale is not enforced, so not used).

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), June 30, 2000.

I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to stop infringing on a trademark owned by my publisher. "Who's Afraid of ...?", as it applies to computer related subjects, refers to a series of which I am the editor. Just as you cannot write your own "... For Dummies" book to try to capitalize on the success of that series without its publisher's permission, you cannot attempt to capitalize on the "Who's Afraid of ...?" series without the permission of the publishers of that series. If you do not comply with this request, don't be surprised if you hear from my (or rather, my publisher's) lawyers.

-- Steve Heller (Steve@SteveHeller.com), June 30, 2000.

I'm still waiting for "IEFBR14 for Dummies." (Sorry. Mainframe joke.)

-- I'm Here, I'm There (I'm Everywhere@so.beware), June 30, 2000.


YOU CAN"T BAN MY USE OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE though "Who's Afraid of Writing Anything for Dummies in 24 Hours or 24 Days before COMPLETE IDIOTS" ARE ALL FUCKING COPYRIGHTS ALSO.


I wonder how "Y2k for Dummies" sold. I'm sure it was not as popular as C++ for Dummies and that C# for DUMMIES will outsell C++ books **WRITTEN BY OBSESSIVE DUMMIES***.

And we all know that "Y2k PREPS for Dummies" was the secret manuscript you got after you ordered just 2 years supply of Soy Bean products to feed 14 people when the "stores run out of food".

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), June 30, 2000.


This is TIME BOMB 2000 UNCENSORED (though I doubt YOURDON would SUE FOR USING THE **TITLE**.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), June 30, 2000.

Flint,how is a b## not enharmonicaly similar to a c# on a violin?It's still the same tone regardless of the intreval used to name the tone.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), June 30, 2000.

I'm glad to have your response on record, CPR. That will make it much easier if a lawsuit is necessary.

As for why I still visit this forum, that's an easy one: To laugh at you. What other reason could there be?

-- Steve Heller (Steve@SteveHeller.com), June 30, 2000.

Fuck you Heller. Can't you take a joke from our old friend creeper?

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 01, 2000.

Heller, are you for real? Seriously, I know your brain is broke(as evidenced by your Y2k "work"), but it is now completely clear you are INSANE. You are not even able to place something as mundane as the title of this post into context, what else can one conclude?

Hint, take a walk, go learn to wittle or something. This adult stuff is way beyond your scope.

-- passerby (amazed@thisboard.com), July 01, 2000.


-- Iron prong mike (eat@your_children.yum), July 01, 2000.

Just another example of Microsoft's brilliant "innovation"... copying inventions of others who created it and giving it a different name.

-- Hawk (flyin@hi.again), July 01, 2000.

...and then adding "extensions" so that anything written in the "new" product won't work with any competing non-Microsoft product. They've got the routine down to a science.

-- I'm Here, I'm There (I'm Everywhere@so.beware), July 01, 2000.

"If a lawsuit is necessary"????? LOLOLOL. WHO would take such a case? JUDGES FROWN ON PUBLICITY LAW SUITS.


What's the matter? Worried that 100s of 1,000s of newbies might dig into C_sharp and you can't get something from the EMPIRE to wrote another book with?? LOLOLOL

Maybe you will be able to fall back on your "Game Plan":

Quote the Heller Koyote (NOT RELATED TO WILEY J.): There is a series of books called "Build Your Own Metal Working Shop from Scrap" , which begins with a charcoal foundry with which you make your own aluminum castings.


SHOW YOUR PUBLISHER ONE WORD WHERE I WRITE THAT I PLAN ANY BOOK USING "Who's AFRAID OF " in the title. I would not be surprised if someone did write "Who's Afraid of Y2k FUD PUSHERS" but you are such a ***MINOR FIGURE*** in the field all we can find to establish your Historical Merit is the CORY "report" (which alone would make a great Doc for any Lawyer or Jury to read) OR YOUR.... "CITATION" FROM LORD GARY OF DUCT TAPE GLOOM. I'M CERTAIN YOU REMEMBER THIS ..........DON'T YOU?? .........**LOLOL@HELLER.FOOL***


1999-07-31 12:41:51 Long before any Nov. 1999 Statement from the IEE


Steve Heller Asks: When the Engineers Die in the Cities, Who Will Rebuild? Answer: People Who Took Out Books.


http://www.kiyoinc.com/WRP127 .HTM


Steve Heller coined the term, "iron triangle" -- electricity, telephones, and either banking or water systems.

Here he outlines what he thinks will happen. It's bad.

He suggests buying CD-ROMs and other books for putting together broken pieces of the economy on a local basis.

For those who have figured out what life in the city will be like next year, but who are bothered by guilt feelings about abandoning neighbors in the city, here is your psychological solution: "I shall return . . . with tools." Call this "Y2K MacArthur."

Basically, this is the scene in Wells' The Time Machine, when the time traveller returns for his books. Or the scene in Lucifer's Hammer, where the scientist puts the books into baggies and buries them in the septic pipe, where the destroyers would not look (my favorite scene in the book).

How Things Work would be on my list.

This week, I have been putting 15,000 books on shelves in a library that looks like a barn. I need more "how to" titles. Heller is correct. This is what the Remnant must do for the future.

Assuage your guilt for leaving. Take something with you of limited value today: books on small-scale production. Bring back something of value after the crash. See his page:

http://www.koyo te.com/users/stheller/y2klib.htm

If Infomagic's scenario turns out to be correct, you need this book for comfort: How the Irish Saved Civilization, the story of Irish missions and literacy in the Dark Ages. (For a brief review, click here.) It will provide your marching orders.

As General Oliver P. Smith (Frank Lovejoy) said -- recreated in the 1952 Korean War movie, Retreat, Hell! -- "We're not retreating. We're just attacking from a different direction."

This is in DC WEATHER REPORT (#127).

* * * * * * * * * * *

I think it is going to be very bad. In fact, the best possible case for which there is any hope is another Great Depression. Why do I say this?

Ironically, my main argument for a terrible outcome is based on one of the primary Pollyanna arguments: "They'll work around it. They always do."

The key here is not "it", which we all agree is shorthand for "whatever problems arise because of Y2K failures". No, the key is who "they" are: the engineers who keep our industrial infrastructure running. Yes , they *do* work around it on a regular basis; in fact, that happens every day.

But what would happen if these engineers were not available? Who would work around these problems then? I think the answer is obvious: no one. And what would happen to our civilization in that case? The answer to that is just as obvious: it would cease to function until and unless it were rebuilt.

The reason I'm so concerned about a long-term outage of the infrastructure is that I don't believe that most of the engineers will survive very long after rollover.

To see why I'm so concerned about this, let's start with what I expect to happen soon after rollover. On January first, there'll be a spike of errors in process control systems that will cause widespread power outages, communication outages, and other immediate effects. However, some power companies will manage to keep the power on in many places, and many people will breathe a sigh of relief.

Unfortunately, this relief will turn out to be premature. Over the next several weeks, breaks in the supply chains to the power companies, primarily fuel supplies, will result in a gradual degradation of the infrastructure. Water treatment plants will run out of supplies, hospitals will stop functioning properly due to lack of drugs and other supplies, and this will be repeated in every industry. The economy will grind to a halt.

But the most serious problem, in the north at least, will be frozen pipes. If the power's off for more than a few days in the middle of winter in Detroit, Chicago, New York City, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and other northern tier cities, they'll be devastated by frozen water pipes and sewer line backups. Plague will follow shortly. Most of the inhabitants of the northern cities will die within a matter of a few weeks, from cold, disease, fires started in an attempt to keep warm, or random v iolence.

This is bad enough, of course, to qualify as a disaster ranking with the Black Plague, if not the extinction of the dinosaurs. But wait, there's more: Most of the engineers that could actually rebuild the infrastructure, or work around the problems in the remaining infrastructure, live in the cities. If we lose too many of them, we may end up in the sort of devolutionary spiral postulated by Infomagic.

Obviously, there's nothing you or I can do to get the engineers to move out of the cities to someplace safer; the information about how bad it might be is widely available on the Internet, not least via this newsletter. If they haven't fig ured out yet, it's not likely they will.

However, there may be something that we can do to prevent the devolutionary spiral from going all the way down. We can preserve the information on how to restart our industrial infrastructure from a level of technology that does not require working computers.

Of course, this is a gigantic undertaking, but I think it's possible. Ironically, it is partly the availability of small, cheap, fast computers with large storage capacities that makes this even remotely feasible. In particular, laptop com puters that have CD-ROM players can provide access to a gargantuan amount of information while being rechargeable from a small solar panel.

For example, I have recently purchased the entire run of QST magazine, the official journal of the American Radio Relay League, from 1915 to 1994, on a set of about 35 CD-ROMs. I bought this set not because of an academic or hobbyist inter est in the history of amateur radio, but because it contains thousands of articles on how to put together an amateur radio station without recourse to commercially built transceivers.

Why is this important? Because I think it is entirely possible that we will lose our manufacturing capability for electronic products. By "our manufacturing capability", I specifically mean not only U.S. manufacturing, but foreign manufacturing. Since most amateur radio equipment, for example, comes from Japan, even if the United States somehow miraculously gets through Y2K without serious damage, a Japanese Y2K disaster could still interrupt our supplies of that equipment. In su ch a case, knowing how to build and repair amateur radio equipment is likely to be absolutely vital.

Why do I consider amateur radio so important? Because if the experts on any topic who do manage to survive a Y2K disaster are going to be maximally useful, we will need some way to consult them even if they aren't in our immediate vicinity. If infrastructure-dependent communications and transportation are seriously disrupted for any length of time, as I believe they will be, amateur radio will be the only reliable means of communication over any distances farther than you can walk.

Of course, there are many other areas of knowledge that we will have to preserve. One example is the construction and use of metalworking machinery. There is a series of books called "Build Your Own Metal Working Shop from Scrap" , which begins with a charcoal foundry with which you make your own aluminum castings. This series of books is available from "Lindsay Publications"

(http://lindsaybks.com/HomeP age.html),

which also publishes a lot of old, out of copyright, books on practical subjects from the pre-computer era. According to the Popular Mechanics WWW page on this publisher

(http://homearts.com /pm/diybuzz/04bookb1.htm),

"You've got all the pieces here to jump-start a smaller version of the industrial revolution: first make some charcoal, use it to melt and forge metal, build some precise but simple machine tools, use the tools to build bigger and bet ter machine tools, make products for export and domestic consumption, use the hard currency to upgrade industry and infrastructure, and away you go. Come to think of it, we could use some of this right here in the United States."

So that's the good news. If enough people have this kind of knowledge, no matter how badly our infrastructure falls apart, we'll be able to put it back together again eventually. Of course, we have to survive the collapse first, so make su re that you have your food, water, heat, and other necessities taken care of. But once you've done that, you should do your part in trying to preserve the tools that we can use to start everything up again. And get that amateur radio station set up (http//www.koyote.co m/users/stheller/ham.htm) so you can share your knowledge with others!

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 01, 2000.

One good thing about living in America is that there is no neurosis too insignificant to merit its own paperback.

-- chuckles galore at steeevviieee (df@hellerkomedyfest.com), July 01, 2000.

Hellers real job in case y2k hit home. http://lindsaybks.com/bks/dead/index.html

-- lol@steve (duh@thenet.com), July 01, 2000.

Post y2k dream team.Shakey & Stevie. A.K.A. "Mutt and Jeff" Staying Healthy After y2k!!!


-- Gaffawing (df@home.com), July 01, 2000.

Heller's "Dream Computer":



-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 01, 2000.




-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 01, 2000.


-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 01, 2000.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 01, 2000.

Fuck you Heller. Can't you take a joke from our old friend creeper?

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 01, 2000

Who ever you are... knock it off

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 01, 2000.

Working title of an upcoming book: Who's Afraid of For Dummies.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), July 01, 2000.

Bold off?

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), July 01, 2000.

What's this? Netty talking to himself? Then posting as David L.? Could Netty=David? Better get a grip on yourself Netty. Choosing CPR over Heller will lose you points with your regular crowd.

-- Friendly Ghost (heain'tc@asper.com), July 02, 2000.

Friendly, these two posts were indeed my own. Luckily, my style of communicating (?) seems to be a disincentive to misuse of my handle.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), July 02, 2000.


If you know anything at all about copyright/trademark law, you would know that your assertion is entirely frivolous. There must be an attempt by the supposed infringer to trade on the name-It must be such that the use of your supposed trademark by another confuses the reader as to origin of the work. Read Title 17 before posting crap like this. Did you ever hear of parody? We american citizens have a right to parody one another, as long as it is obvious-that a "reasonable" person could see it was a joke, or that the hyperbole is so exaggerated that the statement could not possibly be true.

All of this does not apply specifically here, but copyright infringement MUST have the element of someone else profiting from your mark. BTW, would you care to publish the copyright for us to see? As far as I know, the phrase you use has already been used by Edward Albee: "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf"-Did you violate his copyright?

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), July 02, 2000.

Yes, I know all about parody. In fact, my original comment was a parody of CPR's known predilection to threaten to sue anyone at the drop of a hat (or less). Thanks for playing!

-- Steve Heller (steve@steveheller.com), July 02, 2000.


Damn. You got me. But were you not parodying Andy Ray? I am confused. Good scam!

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), July 02, 2000.

Good point, FutureShock. I guess it should have gone more like this:


Is that better?

-- Steve Heller (steve@steveheller.com), July 02, 2000.

Steve, I didn't realize that your answers were meant as a parody, but I was pretty sure that they weren't serious. Are you also a "Sphinx?"

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), July 02, 2000.

If I were a Sphinx, would I tell you?

-- Steve Heller (steve@steveheller.com), July 02, 2000.


-- Debbie (dbspence@usa.net), July 02, 2000.

Debbie, the correct spelling is Sphincter.

-- Ra (tion@l.1), July 03, 2000.

Well Ra... I wasn't singling out Steve's last comment; I thought the sequence (last several responses) was a riot! ...which is what I meant to convey. Just thought I'd make that clear in case it wasn't.

(Does anyone else have this experience? The thing that you say out loud, doesn't quite wash in print?) (Maybe, I be a Sphinx too....)

-- Debbie (dbspence@usa.net), July 03, 2000.


Someone called another one of Heller's Bully Boy attempts in no uncertain terms and now he again tries to WEASEL out of his threat.

Just another one of the "many faces of Stevie Non-Wonder".

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 03, 2000.


I'm not sure it was prudent to have extended that invitation.

Steve's original answer wasn't a "Bully-Boy" attempt at all, but scrupulously polite to the point of caricature.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), July 03, 2000.


I'm afraid that's impossible, CPR. You're beyond parody, as has been previously pointed out on this board.

-- Steve Heller (steve@steveheller.com), July 03, 2000.

Whatever cpr are is, he CARES. Where is your appearance on the Technical thread from Janice? Steve Heller? Your DEAL is PC's correct?

Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.

-- peanutgallery (get@clue.heller), July 03, 2000.

I don't use Windows 98. In addition, I don't write programs that interact with the Windows interface. For those reasons, I'm not an expert on the intricacies of trying to get Windows 98 (or any other variant of Windows) to work properly. If I had anything to offer on that thread, I would have done so.

-- Steve Heller (steve@steveheller.com), July 03, 2000.

Sorry your RESUME had me confused, lol.

System::: Windows NT, MS-DOS, Unix, TCP/IP, Windows 3.x, Environments and others

Then again, you had no trouble commenting about Y2k which you clearly had little clue about, so PC hardware issues maybe beyond your scope.

-- passerby (LOL@you.heller), July 03, 2000.

That's funny, I don't see anywhere in your quote of my resume any mention of Windows 98. I must have missed it. I also don't see anywhere that I claimed to have written programs communicating with the interface of those systems. I've USED those systems when writing programs, and those programs RUN UNDER those systems. I don't do GUIs, and don't care to.

I hope I've clarified your confusion.

-- Steve Heller (steve@steveheller.com), July 03, 2000.

Is anyone buying this Heller dump? Seriously just how in de-nile is this guy?

Port this wacko from your "resume":::1991-93 Systems Strategies, Inc. New York , NY Senior Consultant I designed and implemented functional equivalents for Unix streams pipes, shared memory, and interprocess/intermachine communication functions on Windows NT; the objective was to port several large, multitasking systems to Windows NT from Unix, connecting to a Unix server via TCP/IP. On previous projects for this employer, I developed similar facilities for use under Windows 3.1, and ported the Unix programs to AIX on the IBM RS/6000.

So let me get this straight...you write software for platforms you have no clue about? So "out there are you", you think Windows98 is somehow fundamentally different than an NT or 3x?

Keep trying to wiggle, this is hillarious.

-- passerby (wh@tbsfromheller.coN), July 03, 2000.

Well Steve,

Thanks for playing!

Now before you again want anyone to look at your dam resume, maybe you should READ IT yourself.

-- passerby (amazing@this.board), July 03, 2000.

I see I've made the mistake of thinking you understood more about computing than you apparently you. Here's an explanation that even you should be able to understand:

There are several different kinds of interfaces to the operating system. One of them is the so-called GUI (graphical user interface). That's what people use to make pretty pictures on the screen. That's the one that the person was asking about on the other thread. I find GUI's boring, so I don't work with them except as an end-user.

Another kind of interface to the operating system is provided for programmers who need to connect to various operating system facilities such as interprocess communication, the filesystem, and other things that are not visible to the end-user of the program. I do get involved with that kind of interface, because it is necessary to do so to write programs that provide facilities like custom virtual memory systems.

I hope you can understand this explanation. If not, there's no point in continuing. Have a nice life.

-- Steve Heller (Steve@SteveHeller.com), July 03, 2000.

I understand plenty, cept what drives hardcore geeks like you. Mistake made was to assume YOU knew anything beyond manipulating them real exciting ones and zeros, and using plug-in tools. Resume had me confused again. How someone with 25 years of programming experience cannot even lend a hand answering basic questions involving a GUI problem is pretty strange. You have hardware sections in your books. What purpose do these serve?

-- passerby (amazing@this.board), July 04, 2000.

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