OK. I have seen the error of my ways. I surrender.

I have decided to let cpr have the final word on Y2K that he so righteously seeks and so completely deserves. That word is "right". cpr was right. cpr is still right. cpr is always right. He could not be more right.

Henceforth, I will overlook the mere details that tend to cloud my perception of his over-arching, overwhelming rightness. The fact that he somehow believes I wear sheets. The fact that he cannot understand my name is Brian. The fact that, for all his profound computer expertise, he cannot distinguish a a legitimate email address from a phony. All these quibbles pale into insignifigance beside the fact that cpr was right about Y2K - the most important issue of our day.

Henceforth, when cpr tells me I have ruined my life, he is right. When cpr tells me Ed Yourdon has ruined my life, he is right. When cpr tells me Gary North has ruined my life, he is right. When cpr tells me what it is I believe, without reference to anything I have ever said, he is right - for who could know me better than he? Truly, he sees into the secret recesses of my heart and throws light into every dark crevice of the world.

Moreover, cpr has been right all along. Early on, when cpr said Y2K would be a 7.0, he was right. Later, when he said Y2K would be a 3.0, he was right. In the end, when he said Y2K would be a 0.5, he was right. His track record is phenomenal. Right from start to finish.

I made a bad start with cpr. I admit now that I struggled with the concept that, regardless of what he said, cpr was, in the final analysis, the only one among us who could claim to be right. In the future, I will try to compensate for this mistake.

From now on, I will reply to cpr with only one thought in mind: he was right about Y2K. I was wrong about Y2K.

From now on I will tell him so at every opportunity. I will tell him so often that surely he will grow mellow upon the music of his rightness. I will feed him upon the lotos leaf he craves above all else. I will balm his wounds with the salve of my praise. I will cram his rightness into every orifice of his body until cpr is replete and satisfied.

Then maybe he will find rest and sleep the deep and dreamless sleep of the righteous man, with the verdict of posterity ringing his fame down to the last syllable of time.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), June 27, 2000

Answers

ROFTLAMAO!!! But you didn't offer up your first-born. Why not?

The insatiable need for publicly proclaimed rightousness is unquenchable with some. Enemy acquiescence will not satisfy this addiction but fuel its fire. You have added a new line to the mantra, "...and he admits it!"

-- Imminent TEOTWAWKI (Lurkermode@tb.boom), June 27, 2000.

.......EVERYDAY...is my "lucky day" because I am not a Doomer or Pessimist. The Sun comes up every morning and if you can't see it becuase there are clouds that is YOUR PROBLEM ,,,,NOT MINE.

It is not that I am right it is that people like "Brian" who may share a PC with "linkmeister" and his ilk, need to try THE GOOD SIDE OF THE FORCE for a change and stop trying to **defend** an undefendable position with........."rationalizations" about their actions and words pre and post CDC.

from : http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl? msg_id=003OUV

>> Here is a person who was victimised [...] in a manner that was beneficial to them [...] <<

Andy Ray, I just thought I'd get rid of the extra words that were cluttering up your main point. They didn't add anything not in the edited version, as far as I can see.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), June 27, 2000.

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lian,

Your editting explains a lot about how you arrived at the doomer side of the debate.

Vindicated Regards,
Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), June 27, 2000.

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AR, now you will get it. "Brian" will post a link to prove you wrong.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), June 27, 2000.

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What "Brian" and Silly Sysman and Big Puppy et. al. forget. You did not have to "go to Gary's to get his BS". It was hand delivered to you by people like yourselves moving it from lists to forum to web sites as they screeched "Prepare, Its not Y2k Yet".

We showed before CDC how ONE single news item was distributed by the Y2k RELAY TEAMS. At the core was Gary and then a@a.a or Milne would "re- post" from Gary's SOURCE. Leaving off GN's name but sending the same MIS-LEADING STUFF.

To this day, as noted above, the RELAY TEAMS insist "I never read Gary", "I never bought Yourdon or Hyatt's book". Even at the Center for Y2k and Wasted Grant Money, it all looked "so official", so "kosher".

THAT...........PEOPLE.........IS HOW ****PROPAGANDA**** AND SLANTED INFORMATION DAMAGES AND HOW ......IT MAKES YOU DO THINGS YOU WOULD NEVER DO...........SOBER.

And NO...."BRIAN" you are not 'the Enemy'. That is YOUR method of "thinking" in Black and White, yes and no thought patterns.

Not the "enemy" at all. ASSHOLE is much more like it.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), June 27, 2000.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), June 27, 2000.

"Not the "enemy" at all. ASSHOLE is much more like it"

Now class, this sentence demonstrates how not to behave in a debate. Civility is of the utmost importance. Each episode of incivility either undercuts your arguement or shows that you are a debater who possesses lesser skills (at debating) than your challenger or that in frustration upon losing you resort to sophomoric rhetoric.

-- Imminent TEOTWAWKI (Lurkermode@tb.boom), June 27, 2000.

What can I say, cpr, but... you are right!

>> stop trying to **defend** an undefendable position <<

You see everything so clearly. It amazes me. You see my errors and you show me them, out of wonderful kindness. You chastize me for my own good, as a father chastizes a wayward son.

All my defenses crumble in the face of your invincible onslaught. I admit you were right about Y2K. I apologize for having the effrontery to be wrong about Y2K even after you showed all us doomers the light. I could not see it then. I can see it now.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for being right about Y2K, cpr. It was a marvel for all the world to see.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), June 27, 2000.

LOL!!

Oh yes, almighty CEEPER, I bow down to thy self-proclaimed righteousness!

Praise thee, almighty one, you are a legendeth in your own mindeth!

Torture me with thy slings and arrows, for I am wrongeth, and you are the most righteth of all!

-- Hawk (flyin@hi.again), June 27, 2000.

So.....you agree with my close that YOU **ARE** an ASSHOLE. Don't you feel better now knowing that all those years you pontificated on matters you never understood "just to show how bright you were"... are over and you no longer have to do that? Few (except maybe the shakey/hawks of the world) ever expect much from an ASSHOLE.

TTFN.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), June 27, 2000.

>> So.....you agree with my close that YOU **ARE** an ASSHOLE. <<

cpr, as I have pointed out in mor than one thread today, I have stopped struggling over this issue and I find I can only agree with everything you say.

This strategy at least guarantees that I will be right as often as you are, and who could turn down a fantastic opportunity like that?

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), June 27, 2000.

At this point in the debate, I just wanted to add that "Imminent TEOTWAWKI" is a big fat poopoo head. Thanks for your attention.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), June 27, 2000.

Oh, yes. As for all those years I pontificated on subjects I never understood, just to show how bright I am ...heck, cpr, you're right again. I never should have done that. It was wrong of me.

I will take a lesson and srart to model myself more after you, taking your judgment as my lead in these matters. That should clear up my pontification problem in a hurry, don't you think?

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), June 27, 2000.

If you pontificate about something long enough, will you eventually become the Pope?

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), June 27, 2000.

>> If you pontificate about something long enough, will you eventually become the Pope? <<

I think it is only right that we should defer to cpr for the answer to this question. After all, he was right about Y2K. He's on a roll.

Of course, I was wrong about Y2K and I could be wrong about his, too. But, cpr's so generous with his insights that I'm sure he'll let me know, one way or another if I'm right or wrong here. TIA, cpr!

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), June 27, 2000.

Brian--

It is not enough that you concede the cpr is eternally correct. You must wear a hair-shirt, you must self-flagellate, you must do penance, you must crawl on your belly like reptile, you must kiss cpr's ass at high noon in front of the Book Depository.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), June 27, 2000.

"At this point in the debate, I just wanted to add that "Imminent TEOTWAWKI" is a big fat poopoo head. Thanks for your attention."

I would have chosen more sophisticated quasi-intellectual verbiage such as, "enormous rotund anal excrement head". Sounds more polite anyway. I'm glad you chose not to use "shithead". Ugh, the vulgarity!

Seriously though, if we change the premise, for arguements sake, of the outcome of Y2K and make it moderatly negative then who would be responsible for the thousands of deaths that ensued because people were chided and shamed into not preparing?

CPR!! ANDY RAY! AND A HOST OF OTHER POLLIES!

How many deaths have the doomers caused because they were wrong?

-- Imminent TEOTWAWKI (Lurker@tb.boom), June 27, 2000.

I think it is only right that we should defer to cpr for the answer to this question. After all, he was right about Y2K. He's on a roll.

Kaiser or sourdough?

-- (hmm@.hmm.hmm), June 27, 2000.

"If you pontificate about something long enough, will you eventually become the Pope?"

No, you could only achieve status of the AntiPope, which is practically the AntiChrist. And since Brian has now set himself as a clone of CPR, that would make CPR the AntiChrist. I KNEW there as a link!

-- Whatever (who@car.es), June 27, 2000.

"How many deaths have the doomers caused because they were wrong?"

At least one, maybe more.

And I would posit that had there actually been major problems, the over-reacting, over-preparing subset of doomers would have caused more problems.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 27, 2000.

>> It is not enough that you concede the cpr is eternally correct. You must wear a hair-shirt, you must self-flagellate, you must do penance, you must crawl on your belly like reptile, you must kiss cpr's ass at high noon in front of the Book Depository. <<

Lars, you just don't understand cpr. He doesn't want these things for his own benefit. Banish the thought!

Nope. cpr sees clearly that easy absolution of sins leads to easy backsliding. In other words, we have proved what poor stuff we are made of, and he is willing to shape us up and put some steel in our backbones for us.

If we take the easy way out, cpr knows we are in danger of going back to the Yourdons and Norths of this world. He only wants to save us from this awful fate. It is a disinterested quest for our eventual salvation from doomerism.

If we wear the hair shirt and do exactly as cpr prescribes, we will learn our lesson thoroughly and be saved from the evil ones. If we don't wear the hair shirt, well, then cpr just can't be held responsible for what happens next. We're goners.

Do you want that to happen, oh you perverse one? Do you want to take the broad easy path that leads to intellectual sloth and dim-wittedness? Or do you prefer to tread the golden staircase that cpr bids you walk upon, mounting up to intellectual rightness, eternally.

Know this: You have seen the miracle of cpr being eternally right about Y2K, and yet you disbelieve? Your disbelief is a foulness and a stench in cpr's nostrils. You deserve to be whipped until you see the error of your ways (as I have, at long last).

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), June 27, 2000.

HOW MANY DEATHS?

****************..........FIVE...........********** that we can absolutely link to Y2k fear peddling.

......................NEXT QUESTION.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), June 27, 2000.

FIVE.

Let me state that I have absolute confidence in this number. I learned it at an early age and have never known it to fail when I needed it. Coming as it does from the man who was right about Y2K all along, I think it is a cinch that this number can be trusted.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), June 27, 2000.

All Hail, cpr...!!! All Hail, cpr...!!! All hail, cpr...!!!

-- Not Now, Not like this -- Thanks for the Laughs Brian!!! (AgentSmith0110@aol.com), June 27, 2000.

Worship service to me are held at 12 Noon CDT. You are late !! See that it does not happen again.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), June 27, 2000.

Forgive me, oh Great One...

-- Not now, not like this (AgentSmith0110@aol.com), June 27, 2000.

Excellant decision, Brian. CPR must be worshipped and adored. His ego is only 2nd to Steve Heller's.

-- JoseMIami (caris@prodigy.net), June 27, 2000.

Jose, its clear you can't see. WRONG again. OTOH, IMNSHO, BTW, I and the ANTI-DOOMSTERS have something with which to boslter all our egos.

Whereas, you, and "The Preparers" are still "waiting" for the TB to go off. As you wait, rationalizing, generalizing and trying to REVISE History, I see no reason whatever that the rest of the world can't be given a glimpse of your folly from time to time AND LAUGH AT YOU. To keep this process going, I plan a web site on all of this that will stay up to at least 2010.

AND *YOU* and all your buddies may consider it as a "reverse Gary North site". Lasting long after he and the other Manure Spreaders exited and filled with nothing but factual material.

After all, about the last thing I would want would be a law suit from any of them ((not that they could ever mount one)).

The real problem in setting it up is it is SO HUGE indexing it is a big problem.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), June 27, 2000.

Jose, you simply cannot be right about cpr and his ego, as he so rightly pointed out.

Essentially, when you boil it down to the final truth, cpr was right about Y2K. This is incontrovertible, as I am certain his projected web site will prove a thousand times over.

That web site will no doubt overflow with evidence that cpr was right about Y2K and it will last a very long time showing everyone who cares to look at the site that cpr was right about Y2K. cpr will be proved right on every page of that site, over and over again. Why deny it?

So, being so very right about Y2K, nullifies any appearance of egotism on the part of cpr. The next time you are supremely, non-stop right about something (as if!), then maybe you can erect a monument to its enduring memory. And I'll bet no one IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would ever accuse you of being an egotist then. Heavens, no! Not when you are only pointing out that you were right and nobody denies that, for goodness sake!

That would be like calling the Presidents of the USA "egotists" because they build multi-million dollar libraries with their names on them, devoted to nothing but the preservation of the memory of their administrations. cpr has just as much justification for building his web site as they do for building their libraries.

Isn't that right, cpr? There's practically no difference at all! And, unlike many here, you were right about Y2K! Can Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, or George Herbert Walker Bush claim the same??

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), June 27, 2000.

I have an idea. I suggest we all positively, completely, unanimously ignore cpr's posts. What does this mean? It means:

We do not open them.

We do not read them.

We do not respond to them.

Cpr's "writing" is painfully hard to read and poorly organized. He seems to be in a perpetual mental frenzy. The formatting is uniformly sloppy, and the SHRILL UPPERCASE TEXT and offensive language serve no one.

If cpr has so much to process, fine. Let him write a book. Then perhaps he can simply tell us all when it will be published.

In the meantime, let's make a mental pact to ignore him. Perhaps he will wear himself out writing and responding to himself, and finally go away.

-- Celia Thaxter (celiathaxter@yahoo.com), June 27, 2000.

"He seems to be in a perpetual mental frenzy. The formatting is uniformly sloppy, and the SHRILL UPPERCASE TEXT and offensive language serve no one."

Indeed, this is evident on every single one of his posts. He is deeply, deeply disturbed, very, very unbalanced, and extremely hostile and psychotic.

Your suggestion is a good one, never give attention to a showboating psychopath while he is experiencing a delusion of grandeur, it will only make him go so far out of his mind that he is likely to believe that he can fly by flapping his arms.

-- cyber freud (ignore@his.delusions), June 27, 2000.

I don't know, Celia and freud, I kind of find cpr's insanity entertaining. He's sort of the Anti-INVAR. I would log onto the old site once in a while just to follow the crazy antics and ravings of INVAR the Gundark. (some sort of Star Wars character) cpr makes me think of cardio-pulmonary resuscitation, as in the guy is gonna give himself a heart attack with his rantings. And now that Brian is responding to his every utterance with this new style of his, well, there ain't nothing on the telly nearly as fun as this!!!

-- (keep@it.up!), June 27, 2000.

Brian is the most handsomest and smartest guy I have met on the internet.

-- A Fan of Brian (he@has.millions), June 27, 2000.

>> ... now that Brian is responding to his every utterance... <<

I am sorry to say that I cannot do homage to every utterance of cpr. That man will outlast the pyramids. I am not as durable as the pyramids, alas.

It is cpr's destiny to point out to every last human on the face of the earth that he was right about Y2K. His admiration for the way in which he is fullfilling this destiny will never run dry. I am only trying to hasten the day on which the last person is told, so cpr can at last achieve his long-deserved rest from his restless quest.

Lest he suffer from some misconception that we do not appreciate his unique position among men-of-women-born, it is our job to tell him (as often as we can stand it), that he was indeed right about Y2K, that he is still right about Y2K, that being right about y2K is a noble thing comparable to winning the Nobel prize for physics, and that we grasp all dimensions, qualities and nuances of this his inimitable rightness, so help us God.

I am not man enough to carry this plan through to completion in all its multifarious details and ramifications. I may need to sleep, while cpr continues to proclaim the effulgance and preeminence of his rightness about Y2K to the ends of the earth. Forgive me. I am only human (as proved beyond a doubt by the fact that - woe betide! - I was wrong about Y2K .)

cpr, on the other hand, sometimes makes me wonder if he truly is human, as he claims to be. What human can compare to him?

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), June 27, 2000.

CPR was as "right" about Y2K as someone who won't take out fire insurance because he "knows" there won't be a fire. Chances are, the policy won't be used, but only a fool would take such a risk.

-- WD-40 (wd40@squeak.not), June 27, 2000.

WD-40,

Most of the so-called pollys had "fire insurance" for Y2K, contrary to popular belief. What we didn't have was the "comet/nuke/NWO insurance" policy that you went for.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 28, 2000.

We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

-- I'm Here, I'm There (I'm Everywhere@so.beware), June 28, 2000.

We're not worthy! We're not worthy! -- I'm Here, I'm There (I'm Everywhere@so.beware), June 28, 2000.

=============> EXACTLY <===================

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), June 28, 2000.

Exactly! Ha! Ha! Atta boy, cpr. Nothing like a good riposte to put the fear of god into the doomers. Now watch 'em run away, whimpering and holding their hands over their heads while you stand erect, hands on hips, throw your head back and laugh richly and heartily at them, like Errol Flynn in that movie Captain Blood when the pirates ran away from him, all scared, like doomers running away from you.

Actually, Errol did it a couple of times in that movie. He did it in some other movies, too, I think. It's really worth watching him, just to get some good pointers on how to laugh at doomers. Errol was really good at that laugh, don't you think? Especially when his hair was long, and before he was such a drunk as he was later on. That was sad.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), June 28, 2000.

Brian, were you "Corinne" in a former life? :)

-- viewer (justp@ssing.by), June 29, 2000.

Give CPR this one: You can't complain about not closing tags on small Fonts.

Best wishes,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), June 29, 2000.

>> Brian, were you "Corinne" in a former life? <<

I'm not sure how would I go about finding out the answer to this question. Hypnosis?

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), June 29, 2000.