Las Vegas - We Need To Start Getting Organized : LUSENET : TB2K spinoff uncensored : One Thread

We need to start getting organized for the Las Vegas gathering in October. I'll help out, but am not an organizer/leader type personality. I was just up there last night and had a ball, even lightening the Sahara's coffers by $180.

We need to decide where to stay, what dates we will need rooms for, and then try to negotiate a deal with an interested casino-hotel. I think that we should try to be either on or very near The Strip so we and our spouses can enjoy all the different casino's themes. Apparently one of them has a big sea battle at night, and there are likely other exciting and dazzling effects. I noticed that the Luxor pyramid seems to have bolts of light rolling down it's sides after they burst out of the capstone. It's pretty neat as seen from the highway (I-15).

Patricia, I know you haven't been there very long, but perhaps you can watch the local ads and maybe get a feel for things from people you know. I'm going to quiz a friend's lady who used to live and work there. Any ideas/feedback/volunteers are welcome. October will be upon us before we know it. Also, it takes time go make airline reservations, especially at possible discount rates. Maybe we can find some deals.

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), June 16, 2000


Flash, what are you talking about? A meeting of kindred spirits?

-- Came In from (, June 16, 2000.

I "DONT" want to be found in a barrell somewhere :-)

But, I 'was' planning a vacation in October.....(serious)

-- consumer (, June 16, 2000.

I'll be there. As it is cheaper to share rooms, I'll take a room with another smoker. Hawk, You smoke?

-- Cherri (, June 17, 2000.

Oh Jesus Christ! Cheri is a smoker, so am I too. She was talking about saving the cows and such. A beef sirloin smells good to me,and now we are destined to go on a "summer camp" with each other. This should be an interesting camp. Bring it on....For this life's book.

-- My Story (, June 17, 2000.

I am not a cigarette smoker but I love a good hand-rolled Honduran or Dominican cigar...

-- JoseMiami (, June 17, 2000.

Are cigar jokes in our cultural repository to stay? Lord I hope not.

But yours was quite funny Jose. Really.

-- Bingo1 (, June 17, 2000.

Count me in except the 3rd Saturday in October(21st)is the opening of quail season. Can't make that one.

-- Carlos (, June 17, 2000.

Hey Cherri I may be interested. Got a recent pic?

-- Cherri is cute (at least she was 30 years ago) (nonsmoker@but.what the hey), June 17, 2000.

Who all is interested in going so far? Can we get a preliminary head count? Subject to change, of course...

-- Normally (, June 17, 2000.

I plan on being there.

I think one of the major reasons that Las Vegas seemed interesting was the probability of getting a good deal on room rates and possibly airfares, too. However, to do this we need to start making some deals soon! We need to try and reserve a block of rooms.

October is good because it is after summer vacations and usually much cooler. There are a heck of a lot of casino-hotels in the area, but being on or close to the Strip is probably most desirable.

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), June 17, 2000.

My vote is for the weekend of the 27th of October. Still looking for some deals. What you can do is go to an airline site and look under vacation packages to vegas. You may be able to find some good rates from your city.

-- cin (cin@cin.cin), June 17, 2000.

WoooooHoooooo!!!!!! Lets do it.Count me in,Iv'e never done Vegas,let alone with an eclectic bunch like this,sounds FUN : )

-- capnfun (, June 17, 2000.

"My vote is for the weekend of the 27th of October."

hmmm, this bunch, in las vegas, near halloween...........should be quite interesting (and more fun than should be allowed [g]).

-- (, June 17, 2000.

Count me in. Oct. 27 is fine.

-- Normally (, June 17, 2000.

I'd love to go. Anyone from the east coast want to travel together?

-- Debra (!!!!@!!!!.com), June 17, 2000.

We discussed this in chat once, and I do believe the 27th was the ONLY weekend Future Shock COULDN'T make it. Any objections to the earlier part of the month?

I'd enjoy going if I can get cheap air fare. I have a niece in LV, so might be able to crash on her couch and even scramble up some food in her kitchen.

I've been to Vegas before, so I wouldn't be going for the gambling/night life. I also wouldn't be bringing my SO. I'd much rather meet in a park or somewhere, sit around on the grass and talk until the wee hours. Of course this coincides with "I hate to dress up and feel much more comfortable in a casual setting."

-- Anita (, June 18, 2000.

A big part of the draw for me is to stay in one of the casinos. Gotta have room service and stumbling distance to the gaming rooms-food too.

-- Cherri (, June 18, 2000.


I haven't noticed very many people "dressing up" on any of my recent forays to L.V. The idea of staying in a casino-hotel would be to give those who wish access to gaming and "The Strip", plus cheap food. We might even be able to scare up a suite if we were to sign up as a bloc. I'd be willing to chip in a little more if we could get a "hospitality suite" for a reasonable price! I also think that it would be neat if someone brings a video cam and software that can be hooked up to the internet so we can say Hi to those who couldn't make it. I know nothing about this technology, so hopefully someone else who has it and can make it to LV will do so.

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), June 18, 2000.

Anytime in October is fine with me. If we are going to get Flint and his wife there at all, I believe earlier in the month is better. How do you come to a consensus on a thread? Set a deadline weeks down the line? Have people rate each weekend and average the points? Heh.

Also, would it be cool if people offered some personal suggestions of who else they would like to see there... personalities from the past and present. Even if certain folks can't come, it would be great for them to find out here that they are welcome.

(Note, this is not about who you DON'T want there. We are not playing Survivor.)

-- Normally (, June 18, 2000.

I want to meet everybody.As far as dates go,anytime after labor day will probably be cheaper both for airfare and lodging.As far as specific dates are concerned what about Oct. 13,14,15(Fri-Sun)Friday the 13th!? what a hoot: )

-- capnfun (, June 18, 2000.


I guess I'm considering the "distraction" factors. I'm not interested in "viewing" someone in a casino. I'd just enjoy getting to know better the folks I've met online in the past two years.

I went to the picnic yesterday [as you know] at Hardliner's house. I had a great time. I got to meet Lilly, Greybear, Hardliner, Wilferd, Mervin(?) and Sandy. Other folks couldn't make it at the last minute. There's just something about talking with folks face-to-face that makes folks more human than the internet communications we've had.

A picnic was a great atmosphere, IMO, and even though I hadn't known of Merlin and Sandy previously, I found them great folks who had been involved in the fora for quite a while.

Who'd I like to see there? I'd like to share an afternoon at the pool with capnfun, consumer, and Eve. I think we'd tan, drink beer, and dunk each other until we were laughing uncontrollably. Of course many others may also be interested in this frivolity, but they don't roll off the top of my head like these three.

I'd like to get into deep philosophical discussions with Gilda, Eve, Bingo, Future Shock, Tarzan, Luna, Greybear, Hardliner, Debra, Patricia, and several others. I don't know if their significant others could stand this. Afterall, if THEY wanted to get into these deep discussions, wouldn't they have been posting to those threads, or posting AT ALL?

That's but a small part of what *I*'d like to do, and if I were to include just the conversations I'd enjoy, the weekend would be over before I knew it, and I'd come home renewed and refreshed. Understandably, other folks have different goals.

-- Anita (, June 18, 2000.


I don't see why theres any reason we can't have it all,the hangin' out at the pool idea sounds great,as does the deeper conversation.just because we are in a casino atmosphere doesn't mean we have to sacrifice one for the other.

Can we stay at a place where we can swim to the bar? please,please !!!

-- capnfun (, June 18, 2000.


I suspect it boils down to what our budgets can afford, our normal habits, and our expectations.

SO recently went to Vegas with an extended family group. He's not a gambler, nor am I. He's not a big eater, nor am I. He's not a water person, and I enjoy water a lot. His family met at the pool each day to sit around and chat, but when it came time to go off to the casinos or even the "all you can eat" dinners, he stayed behind, reading a book. What good is "all you can eat" when you're accustomed to half a plate of food? What's the point of the casinos when you're not a gambler?

If the goal of going to the function in the fall is to be pampered a bit, gamble a bit, and even share a vacation with a spouse, I don't share the goal.

I've traveled extensively, but always on a shoestring budget. I can get sandwich fixins and a six-pack at the local grocery for half the price of that charged at the hotels. Some have already expressed their desires, and I was simply expressing my desires, as well. I can hoof it onto the strip each day, but if I get there just to find everyone interested in eating and gambling and the SHOWS, I might as well stay home.

-- Anita (, June 18, 2000.

I would like to stay a week with at least one weekend thrown in, but that does not mean others should. We can have it all, the hospitality suite, pool time, a picnic away from it all, a night or two of casino hopping. An idea brought up in bok's last night was scolorships for some who might have tight financial responsibilities.

Why don't we start with suggestions of all the different things we would like to do, later we could group off to do different things. A group might want to see one show and another see another, while a third group might want to go sightsee. If we had a hospitality suite (?) or a communal room where food and drinks were provided then people could group off at will to talk, show pictures, take pictures get in front of the life "cam". It would be cool to have a website where a live video cam was rolling, and where digital pictures could be downloaded showing what was happening away from the video cam.

Does anyone know if it is legal to take pictures in the gaming area? I know someone is going to want to olay in the pool :o)

I'm not bring my SO-he has to stay home with the kids, although for thos who do bring theirs and their kids that would be ok too, some may want to make it a family vacation and I understand there are a lot of fun things for kids to do and childcare for when the parents want to do adult things.

Maybe we could get a sponser to help fund the whole thing, we coulds wear their advertizements on our bodies *grin*.

OH! We have GOT to get a logo! Put it on t-shirts and hats. And how about nighties for the ladies with a picture of a "pretty white powdered butt" on them?

It could even be a media event- "doomers and debunkers of Y2K" get together. Anyone in advertizing?

-- Cherri (, June 18, 2000.

I've opened Bok's chat for those who want to discuss this issue. It's now 1:21 CST time. I'll stay for another hour before leaving.

-- Anita (, June 18, 2000.

OK folks-after a discussion at Bok's this afternoon, it looks like the 2nd weekend in Oct starting Fri the 13th.

-- Aunt Bee (, June 18, 2000.

Word is, the Spinoffs will be meeting Fri 13th weekend in Vegas at the same time as the California psychiatrists and the Soldiers of Fortune. Ought to be an interesting weekend.

-- Normally (, June 18, 2000.

Las Vegas. Friday the 13th. Psychiatrists and Soldiers of Fortune rubbing elbows at the gaming tables. Sound like it would be an interesting weekend even if the Spinoffs weren't there.

-- (I'm a@little.teapot), June 18, 2000.

Anita doesn't want me to go whaaaaa! Just kiddin.

If there are going to be many conventions going on at that time, you can most likely forget about getting a room. And prices will be higher as well. I could be wrong, just have a feeling I'm not.

-- cin (cin@cin.cin), June 18, 2000.


-- Au (, June 18, 2000.


I checked several of the hotels websites today. Nothing appears to be blocked as of now. Conventions this particular weekend are: the Quiet Birdmen, American College of Nutrition, Art 21 Productions, Lucent Technologies, Assn of Steel Distrutors beside the 2 Oxy mention. Attendees number less than any other weekend during October.

-- Au (, June 18, 2000.

Being there the same time as a Lucent convention would be a lot of fun to doomers, since we all know that Lucent is run by Lucifer himself. (Darn, wish i could go!)

-- kritter (, June 18, 2000.

Friday the 13th is also a full moon!

-- Bingo1 (, June 18, 2000.

Bingo! That just about clenches it. I might have to go and "lurk" in my usual fashion. Will there be T-Shirts for lurkers? What about pet trolls?

-- (I'm a@little.teapot), June 18, 2000.

I still think we could get a corperate sponser, after all there were a lot of sponsers for the Y2K symposiums before the rollover, we could call this a conference to define what happened and didn't and why. Papers could be introduced written on all the different areas of interest, especially where there are answers needed.

I could speak for $1,200.00 a shot. Or we could make it a parody of the old Y2K conferences.

Don't forget to bring your Y2K memorabelia, beanie babies and t-shirts.

-- Cherri (, June 18, 2000.

krit- The Lucent Convention at Mandalay Bay is only expected to host 30 people (must be the big-wigs). Circus Circus is only $49/a night except for Fri which is $89/night, booked thru their website. Reasonable I thought, compared to other strip hotels. The dtn casinos are cheaper for those interested in that market.

-- Aunt Bee (, June 18, 2000.

LOL Cherri- We must have posted simultaneouly. Who will be the advertising "pointman" for this event?

-- Aunt Bee (, June 18, 2000.

The Quiet Birdmen will be there ??

-- Normally (, June 18, 2000.

Yes-according to the Las Vegas Visitor and Convention Bureau and they are expecting 500 attendees at the Tropicana. Birders i imagine-BB could tell us for sure.

-- Aunt Bee (, June 18, 2000.

Birdmen? Is that like Jr Birdman?

Oh and the t-shirt idea, a little scary. Perhaps they could have targets on them and read "Shoot here Ladylogic and Hawk" LOLOL

-- cin (cin@cin.cin), June 19, 2000.

Do any of the LV hotels take the Can$ at par? (g)

-- Johnny Canuck (, June 19, 2000.

Hummm, I do have family and friends in Vegas. And I am due to go say hi to mom. October could be tough, it's a busy time at the office. Too early to tell for me, but I will keep it in mind. <:)=

-- Sysman (, June 19, 2000.

Lucent is connected to Microsoft. Maybe we can garner some media interest, invite Koskinen. It would make a good story for the sunday papers, the oil price hike is old news, Elian has gotten boring, the election won't go much of anywhere with people out enjoying the summer weather.

There has already been some investigations into how Y2K got blown out of proportion and it is safe to say that it turned out to be an expensive dud.

There just might be some entities interested in hearing the conclutions of a "conference" looking into the events.

Now if we could just get a sponser or two to pay for lodging and food for everyone :o)

Hey! It never hurts to try, right?

-- Cherri (, June 19, 2000.

Oh, this is something I'd love! And, Anita, the descriptions you gave of the stuff we could be doing are like something right outta my own heart and soul! Laughing, goofing off, philosophy, wine (but beer's cool too), the wee hours...that stuff's pure ambrosia to me.

Unfortuneately, my dad's very ill, with advanced Parkinsonism and other problems (my mom passed away in April). Although he's at home with aides, at times they don't show up, or he needs to go to the doc's, or needs supplies or miscellaneous help -- so I'm "on call" with him. So a weekend away looks pretty iffy for me for now.

But just know I'll be here in Michigan, sittin' on my front porch, looking at the fall's reds, yellows and browns, and thinkin' about y'all -- probably with a tear rolling down my cheek -- but with a smile at the same time...

-- eve (, June 19, 2000.


Sorry to hear about your dad,it must be a very difficult situation,my thoughts are with with ya.


I was thinkin'... maybe I can contact Budweiser and Charmin and they could sponsor the whole shibang,we could have Mr. Whippel,Louie the Iguana and that little ferret be the guest speakers.

I did talk to the bean company but they were kinda shitty with me; )

-- capnfun (, June 19, 2000.

Hoover Dam

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Las Vegas Bus Transportation

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-- Bingo1 (, June 19, 2000.

Stratosphere Tower

Why do the words "only in Las Vegas" come to mind when I think of the Stratosphere Tower? I'll tell you why. This newest addition to the Las Vegas Strip is the tallest free-standing observation tower in the U.S.A. The view from the top is spectacular -- you'll see all the hotels on the Strip, the suburban sprawl which is the new Las Vegas and even Mt. Charleston in the distance, a snow-covered peak which is over 11,000 feet high. But that wasn't enough for the Stratosphere folks. They also added a rollercoaster at the top, the world's highest rollercoaster, and if that doesn't prove to be enough of a thrill ride, you can try the Big Shot, a reverse bungee jump which will shoot you 160 feet into the air at 45 m.p.h. and then send you zooming back down. If you survive all of this, there's also a bar and restaurant at the top where you can order yourself a stiff drink. Lots of Stratosouvenirs for sale at the top, too. Hey, this isn't just a tower, it's an event. Stratosphere Tower is open seven days a week from 9 a.m. to 1 a.m.

-- Bingo1 (, June 19, 2000.

Talk about gettin' high! Most Excellent Bingo.

-- capnfun (, June 19, 2000.

Hint, hint:


Can you say "adrenaline rush?" I knew you could.

-- Bingo1 (, June 19, 2000.

I am willing to help with encouraging sponsors. Email me, and let's coordinate this.

-- Normally (, June 19, 2000.

FWIW, I didn't write the blurb on the Stratosphere Tower. I cut/pasted from a travel guide.

-- Bingo1 (, June 19, 2000.

Thanks, capn, for your kindness.

Have lots of fun, capn, but please take care of yourself out there -- like don't O.D. on your pizza and chocolate milk breakfasts. Or maybe at least sprinkle some wheat germ on your pizza -- or even some...(no, I can't say it...please don't make me say it)...Grape Nuts. Uh oh -- there's that cereal again, 'Nita -- I tell ya, I know you'd think I was gettin' Freudian again -- but, it was really...Lilith. Yeah, that's right! That's the ticket! Lilith said it. In fact, she's the one who makes me buy it. You should see my eyes suddenly turn glassy in the cereal aisle as I drop the Quaker Oats, develop that mischievous grin -- I know it's one, 'cause I can feel it -- and grab know... So, I had nothin' to do with mentioning it. I swear.

-- eve (, June 19, 2000.

I only have time/money for a weekend of fun, so those who want to turn the LV venture into a vacation for their family are in a different league. Sysman...I would think your office could do without you for a quick weekend away. You could always bring your laptop and beeper, if necessary. Eve....I bet you could even find someone to handle your parents if need be. Be resourceful. You'll be back on Monday. I'll pass on the breakfast comments. We've already been there and done that.

I like this idea of the moon being full that weekend...true colors unfolding and all that. Where's consumer when we need her? You game, girl?

Bingo...I'm an "off the beaten path" type of person. I have fun falling into a pothole. If you NEED roller-coasters, by all means include those in your plans, but please don't complain that you can't afford the expense when the expense is by YOUR design.

Normally: I can't imagine ANYONE sponsoring my attendance. If you CAN...go for it.

-- Anita (, June 19, 2000.

Anita, I'm chumming the waters to see if there are a few coaster nuts out there. If so, those folks & I could plan a quick jaunt for some fun on that Friday or Monday.

I can always justify $25 for all you can ride coasters, that's a once every couple years event; or $6 for a six-pack of fine ale which is likewise a rare occurence. I have a hard time spending $10+ on a meal or $40+ just to lay my bones down for a few hours.

I mentioned Hoover Dam because for all I know it may be breathtaking & an ideal spot for a picnic.

Should I not toss ideas out for yea or nay?

-- Bingo1 (, June 19, 2000.


I hear ya. I don't have relatives or close friends who'd be willing and able to take over, and I've had very mixed experiences with caregivers, including the agency we're using now. But I'm not giving up completely...yet. I'll be continuing to seek out possibilities.

My dad needs to be watched every minute -- including all night, because on top of his Parkinsonism, coupled with his general physical frailty, he gets confused quite often, and starts trying to wander around without his walker or wheelchair. The Parkinsonism causes him to freeze up while he's trying to walk (it's more an extremely slow shuffle than a walk -- and this is on a good day, where he would still at least need a walker), at which point he's likely to fall over -- which has happened several times already. Luckily, none of the falls has yet resulted in serious injury.

I know your intentions are only the best, though, 'Nita. If the situation were reversed, you can bet I'd be telling you the same things.

And I apologize to you and everyone else about the Lilith/breakfast thing. Sometimes when I find something amusing, I just beat it to death -- and beyond. Thanks for the wake-up call.

-- eve (, June 19, 2000.

As a newcomer here I find it amusing that you folks would actually spend money to travel somewhere and argue in person. I suggest that you will not be pleased to meet each other and the whole trip will degenerate into something unpleasant altogether. Already, I see Anita telling folks what she will and wont stand for and others forming little special interest groups. If you are intent on doing this I propose that you all agree to meet in a public place at a predetermined time with some sort of identifying tag on. That way, you can get a quick preview of each other without committing to spend any of your valuable time on those you might consider to be losers.

-- The (fact@fan.attic), June 19, 2000.

And I said I was chumming!!! Yikes!

-- Bingo1 (, June 19, 2000.


"As a newcomer here " I suspect THAT's the problem. These folks KNOW that when I spit, they just toss a napkin up to my lips to catch stuff. We're so familiar with each other that we can pretty much guess what type of underwear each is wearing [or not wearing].

I attended a picnic over the weekend with folks who have never agreed with my philosophies and never will. Yep...never met them before in my life...just knew them from the internet. We had a GREAT time.

-- Anita (, June 19, 2000.


Anita has a vision, and is simply trying hard to see that it comes to fruition by expressing her desires in an assertive, yet respectful way.

Go for it, girl.

-- eve (, June 19, 2000.

Well, there's also hiking in nearby Red Rock Canyon and also hiking/exploring in Valley of Fire State Park (Anazazi ruins there too...) which also isn't too far from Las Vegas. If you're willing to drive a little further, Zion National Park wouldn't be a bad addition to the itinerary either...


-- Deb M. (, June 19, 2000.


I think your fears are unfounded. I expect a lot of congeniality and very little philosophizing. Besides, the types that can't leave the wrong kind of baggage at home probably wouldn't consider the trip anyway.

-- Carlos (, June 19, 2000.

I curious. How do you all find so much time to spend on the internet? I'm retired, but I only have a short time to read a *very few* posts and respond. Does you all work?

-- gilda (, June 19, 2000.


I don't might be a professional thief.............

Cause you just took the words right outa my mouth!!! ; ))))

Lookin' forward to a great time!!!

-- capnfun (, June 19, 2000.


I'd be up for the coaster if you can handle the screaming and squealing (LOL) as I am one LOUD woman when I'm excited. I'd even be willing to spring for some brewskies! I'll have to pass on the bungee jumping, tho-. Plan on it!!

-- Aunt Bee (Aunt__Bee@hotmail.comu), June 19, 2000.

I think this is turning out to be a great idea.

As we all have different likes and dislikes, different things we would like to do, different financial and time restraints, I believe they can all be accommodated.

We could do well to listen to Anita, from what I understand she is an experienced traveler and knows how to get the best deal for her money.

Although I want to do the show and casino thing I don't expect everyone else to do it too. Having a picnic is a great idea, it could be the focal point for all to meet and get to know each other.

It is a good idea to have at least the one set meeting time and place and the picnic has no negative attributes connected to it.

Is there camping areas available? That would be fun to me, I have not camped out in years. But I want to sleep in a fluffy bed with room service too. I want to do everything (except the rides that would make me stroke out)..

Anita isn't telling everyone what to do, she is saying what she would like to do just like the rest of us are. I think she hit on the perfect "meeting place" for everyone and we can work out the rest of the agenda from there.

I thought I would throw in the idea of sponsorship and media draw because, you never know, it might just be doable.

How about some more ideas people? Like the T-shirts? Maybe we can get someone to design something that we can print out on our own printers to be ironed onto the T-Shirts? Or someone could set up to make them and sell the to others?

There are just so many fun and funny connotations to a meeting like this, how about someone who is a good metal worker making little rusty hubcap mugs? Beer would look good in them *grin*.

People could write a short (or long) synopsis of their Y2K experience, which could be placed on line or combined in book form. We could have a spam molding contest (we have those here at the Fat Tuesday celebration).

Shouldn't this be a fun experience?

If some use it as a family holiday the picnic is an even better choice for the main get together. People can decide what other things they want to do and make plans to do them either individually or in groups. I know there are some things I like to do alone and other things I would only do with a group. I don't know all there is to do there, how about those who do know, especially the out of the way things that tourists don't normally hear about?. What is the strip? Are the major casino's spread out? Is there public transportation between them or do we have to use taxi's? Would someone look up the "shows" that will be playing during that time? What is the weather like during that time of the year? Are we supposed to dress up to go to certain places? Who wants to be in charge of organizing this? Maybe we could set up a committee with have different people in charge of doing different things. Like intertainment-who would be the best person for that? Lodging, who can look up alternative lodging, like camping, reserving a suite of rooms or finding the best bargains. How about having games at the picnic with prizes and door prizes? ,p>I actually collected prozac stuff mugs pens, frig stickers, to give to someone who was paranoid, maybe there could be votes on who was most paranoid and win those- and other categories with prizes appropriate to them. Maybe we each could bring a book to trade with each other-I have a cobol for dummies book someone might like. We could have a game similar to pin the tail on the donkey, but with a different target *smile*. We could bring hatchets and bury them.

I am really looking forward to this, I have not had a vacation in over a decade, I know others are probably not as "into" this as I am.

I might have to try to get Anita into a casino so I can show her how to win at roulette.

-- Cherri (, June 19, 2000.

Ms. Gilda,the answer is, since there appears to be only 24 hours in a day, some make the election of their physical comfort, to go to sleep early, say 9:00 p.m. There exists, others, who work at a monetary job for 8 hours, and make the choice of going on line, to learn information, offer inspiration, to fellow travelers. While you sleep, we seek. You will awake in the a.m., all rested, but no more informed, than when you fell asleep. Some have chosen to follow another path. Mercy God! why DID you make me a Truth Seeker? I got much more relaxation and sleep when you let me be stupid.

-- My Story (andI', June 20, 2000.

I am getting such a BIG hoot out of this yaw'll and IT"S ONLY JUNE!!! I think we are gonna have a damn big time.It is only reasonable that different people are gonna have different tastes,needs and desires,especially sinse this is going to be a 1st trip to LV for many of us,including me.

Of course I want to buddy up and spend time with everyone,that's the whole point of goin',but are there different things that can be shared with different people? OF COURSE! Even on the board we migrate to different topics and genres but at the same time at some point they cross to a commonality.NO different than with the trip.

Hell yes!!! I look forward to sittin' round a picnic grounds or a swimmin' pool or swimmin' hole with those that like that too.But,at the same time I look forward to ridin' that big ass coaster with Bingo and any that share that same desire,along with maybe throwin' a couple dollars down a slot machine or goin' out in the desert or to Hoover Dam OR sittin' up late catchin' one helluva good buzz.

These are my tentative but fairly concrete plans:

Arrive in LV Thursday night,and no it's not because I'm afraid to fly on the 13th,It's cause someone has to prepare THEM for US ; )

Hook up wherever that is planned for Friday,and start the PARTY.

Have FUN Sat!!!

Have FUN Sun!!!

Drag back home Mon.

Anything in between I am sure will be a delight.

The details will work themselves out in the meantime.

I am going to make a reservation in the next 2/3 weeks as to my air travel and lodging for Thurs night,anyone interested in joining moi should give me a holler.

And while I'm at it,I'd like to say that I would very much like to meet any and all,not only the ones who are at present discussing this trip,come on and get involved!!! That means Ken,Flint,cpr,Poole,Hawk etc.......and any so called Polly/xDoomer reading this.

One last question: WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU UNK?????????????

-- capnfun (, June 20, 2000.

"I have a cobol for dummies book someone might like."

Oh Cherri, I'll trade you two used popsicle sticks - even up. And you'd be gettin' the better of the deal. They're hand-crafted from teakwood.

Seriously, (actually I was being serious) you seem to really need a vacation Cherri. From the information you've shared with us about your life these past few years it appears you've more than earned it! Enjoy!

My prior experiences meeting with forum participants tells me gadgets & gimmicks will not be a necessity. We will gab for many, many hours without interruption - that's a fact. An out-of-doors setting serves best in that smokers may indulge without restriction.

Cap has a plan that sounds quite amenable. Arrive Thursday, meet Friday as a group & then plan things from there. Some folks will hit it off that you least expect to.

-- Bingo1 (, June 20, 2000.

Deb M,

Hoover Dam and Lake Mead are only about 30 min away and look interesting if you have never seen them. We could also go over to Pahrump and say Hi to Art Bell, although I doubt he would appreciate it!


I'm sort of temporarily limited in my email access but will check in more soon. Although my AZ location is only 4.5 hours from L.V., my Silicon Valley HQ (where I am spending most time lately) is about 9 hours from L.V. I'll plan to drive to the festivities, either way. Anything I can do to help those farther away, please let me know. I'll try to pupm L.V. friends for information.

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), June 20, 2000.

Im surprised that Doc Paulie and Patricia are not involved in this get together. Has anyone had contact with them? Doc was the moderator of the DeBunkers site and lives in LV. If my memory serves me right, Patricia and Doc first met on his site and she moved to LV from NYC to be with him. Who better to host this event?

-- Ra (tion@l.1), June 20, 2000.

For what it's worth...

I am fairly familiar with Vegas, but without a doubt I *am* the resident expert on this forum when it comes to casinos ;)

If you have any questions regarding casinos or how they operate, feel free to ask.

This Vegas get-together sounds like it'd be fun. Not yet sure if I will plan to attend but am definitely considering the idea. I have some very close friends living there whom I would stay with and would also love to spend a few days in my old stomping grounds of Laughlin, 90 miles south.

-- CD (, June 20, 2000.

Sounds like a good time. In a parallel universe, I might be able to attend. But, sorry to say, in this one I'll just have to stand aside and let you folks have all the fun. Too many responsibilities, too little time.

Have fun, y'all.

-- Brian McLaughlin (, June 20, 2000.

truthseeker, I dare say I spend much less time sleeping than you do. But I don't have that much extra time to spend on the net.

Anita, sorry I can't get to meet you in Vegas. We are taking a trip in October. But frankly, I hate Las Vegas as much as my husband likes it. I'd rather go anywhere in the world than there. But have a great time.

-- gilda (, June 20, 2000.

How about long t-shirts, long enuf to be night shirts with a picture on the lower back of a powdered white ass?

Who are the artists? We need a logo for the t-shirts, downloadable to our printers which we can iron on t's.

Please have those popcycle sticks with you, I'll bring the book *grin*. Whats the word over at the moderated board? are any of them game to show up?

-- Cherri (, June 20, 2000.

My Husband thinks I am out of my mind to entertain the thought of "meeting anyone, anywhere". I have tried to tell him of the beauty of normal people, and I have no control over when my physical life ends. As far as I can determine, I will be there for the meeting. Thank you for inviting. It should be a "Hoot!". Da Bible shall be left in da room. Kind Laughter, supercedes. P.S., I don't know how to read palm prints.

-- Church Fan (, June 20, 2000.

A strong suggestion:

The final details of the get together should not be posted here, but rather exchanged via e-mail only. This is a safety consideration that should be considered long and hard. Some of you have posted photos & are therefore recognizable. It only takes one nut to spoil a grand weekend. I refer not just to the remote chance of violence, but also practical jokes.

Time was when I'd pull a pretty outrageous prank. For example, one can find him/herself locked up for a night or the weekend in a foreign city without much effort on the part of a skilled practical joker.

Can ANY of you honestly deny at least a few of the current fora participants - here & EZ - make YOU suspicious &/or uneasy? Come on, raise your hands.

Anyone who refuses to reveal themselves via e-mail has no business attending a get together. I'm talking name & phone number which can (and should) be verified by one of the known entities on this board.

My opinion, of course. Comments please.

-- Bingo1 (, June 20, 2000.

Church Fan,

Glad to see you come aboard.I definetly think we will have a HOOT!!!


Hope you can make it too,or what the hell maybe we'll just crash the valley ; )

-- capnfun (, June 20, 2000.


Point well taken and has come to my mind as well,it is time to be practical and realistic.

BTW,THAT coaster and bungee ride have me droolin'!!!

-- capnfun (, June 20, 2000.

One last question: WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU UNK?????????????

-- capnfun (, June 20, 2000

Still in Florida. I thought you paid attention.

We are going on a cruise, the Mrs and I for our vacation this year, pre-planned and paid for, sailing in late Aug. Oct is my very busy busy busy time, when the snow birds come back to roost, sorry, canna doit.

-- Uncle Deedah (, June 20, 2000.


I TRY to pay attention but sometimes I'm too poor; )

Have a most excellent cruise,I am sure yaw'll will have a great time,just pretend it's a houseboat in the Keys ; ) WE will miss ya and I will drink several beers etc... for you and the Mrs.Don't be a stranger.

-- capnfun (, June 20, 2000.


I've been reasonably successful on some slots at the Sahara recently. Also, apparently the Palace Station is where a lot of the locals go for serious gambling. I'd certainly appreciate knowing any and all info about casinos that you might care to post. Maybe you could start a Casino Thread!


-- Flash (flasg@flash.hq), June 21, 2000.


Lots of great suggestions and info! Please keep them coming. Anyone contemplating going up in the Stratosphere should see Mars Attacks, first! Any suggestions on how we connect up via private email for final plans? What's to stop a troll from getting on the list? Plenty of cops and large casino/hotel security guys in Las Vegas, so no need to worry while we are there. Also, when and where is the SOF convention? Last year it was apparently at the Palace Station.

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), June 21, 2000.


I can start an e-mail list on e-groups. You need a verifiable email to join and I can make it private so just anyone cannot look at the info.

Good idea. And the time and places can be kept private also. I will start the e-group list tomorrow. Members will not have access to each others e-mail addy and I will not give out anyones e-mail addy either.

Sound good?

-- Cherri (, June 21, 2000.

That's an excellent idea, Cherri. My but you are pumped up about this trip! There's plenty of time to discuss & solidify plans, so no need to rush setting up the list. Do so at your leisure.

As to t-shirts, or tattoos, I'm prone to circling foreign soil while keeping to the shadows. I don't mark new territory (anymore) but am a bit uneasy in crowds. No identifying markers for me, thanks. Maybe a homemade tinfoil hat which can be easily doffed.

Flash, Art Bell took great pride in the fact it was Pahrump which the Martians blew-up initially! If you were a devoted listener we have much to discuss.

-- Bingo1 (, June 21, 2000.


I look forward to meeting you. You seem to be a really nice and interesting person. I enjoyed Art's show and listened whenever I could, but usually have to get up early so probably couldn't be counted as a "devoted" listener. I did enjoy the wide variety of subjects and opinions presented on his show, as I also like the diversity here on this forum. I found out where Art lives sort of by accident, and just had to drive by to see if it really looked like the pictures. See ya in L.V.!

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), June 21, 2000.


Sounds like a good idea to me!

-- Flash (fFlash@flash.hq), June 21, 2000.


I'll send some PB&J sandwiches along with 'sumer. I'm just not an LV type of guy.

Consumer, I'll give you a jar of apple butter from Amish country if you stay out of Antia's sandwiches. (I'm going to lose on this one, I just know it -- large, toothy grin).

-- (, June 21, 2000.


I'm game for SOME kindof identifier, although I'd prefer not to look too conspicuous. BTW, am I the only one who has left a conference and forgotten to remove the name-tag? It's nice to know you're in the right place with the right people. After a long road-trip to that picnic last weekend, I wasn't sure I had pulled into the right driveway. Two cups of herbal tea before I left and getting lost on backroads threw social graces to the wind as I abruptly said to the stranger on the porch, "Who lives here?", followed by "Hi. I'm Anita. Where can I pee?" What a first impression, eh?

I've gotten a bit of feedback from folks in LV. First off, there are no parks as we know them near the strip. Secondly, it's been suggested that I warn folks not to gamble at the airport. It seems that the airport NEVER pays...NEVER.

-- Anita (, June 21, 2000.

Cherri, I am disappointed that you are in the center of this planning committee for LV. I ask you all to step back and read this thread from start to finish and see where this is going.

Im getting that old dij` vu feeling that reminds me of the special little collection of Nazis from the old TB2000 forum. Here you select few are, talking about going underground and having casino security personnel to protect you from trolls and loonies.

Cherri, as someone that I always admired for your reasoning and technical knowledge, it is a great disappointment to see you morph into that which you always despised.

The behavior of the rest of you dipshits comes as no surprise. You should have a wonderful time in Vegas, hiding out from all of the bad people that are after you. Sheeesh, what a creepy bunch of losers.

-- Ra (tion@l.1), June 21, 2000.

I'd certainly appreciate knowing any and all info about casinos that you might care to post. Maybe you could start a Casino Thread! -Flash

Congrats on your recent "lightening of the coffers" at the Sahara, Flash. Sounds to me like you have an admirable degree of will power working for ya. (Way too many people would have given that $180 back while chasing more, more, more.)

As far as my offering info on casinos or starting a Casino thread - I wouldn't know where to begin. It's such a huge topic and I think the best way for me to address it would be to field specific questions as they arose. I guess I could dispel a couple myths while I'm posting here now though...

Are casinos run by the Mafia? NO! My best guess is that any "mafia" connections became extinct sometime in the early 70's. The last few decades have brought about major changes in laws, gaming regulations and licensing requirements. (Bugsy Siegel and friends would never make it in the door nowadays.)

And my favorite myth; I was playing a slot machine and when I quit, somebody else sat down and immediately hit the big jackpot which I would have hit it had I played one more time. HIGHLY DOUBTFUL! The symbols which line up during play are dependant on a random access generator which is "initiated" by the player dropping a coin/credit. The chances of your "timing" this random access generator to select the same "big jackpot" symbols are astronomical. Always remember, the odds of your winning or losing are exactly the same for EVERY single play.

The best advice I can give anyone heading out to the casino, is to approach gaming as you would any other form of (key word here...) *ENTERTAINMENT*. Enjoy the atmosphere, enjoy the "rush" of a win, enjoy the free drinks, cheap food and excitement all around you, but DO NOT exceed what you have *budgeted* to lose. Like I said, it's meant to be *entertainment* and losing more than you can afford takes all the fun out of an otherwise enjoyable experience.

Now ya did it Flash! Ya got me wound up and rattling-on. LOL. Feel free to ask any specifics. Also, email addy's real if you care to go that route.

-- CD (, June 21, 2000.


Please reread your own post. It's riddled with invective, insults and inappropriate comparisons, yet you've made no direct attempt to address their reasons for taking reasonable precautionary measures.

-- eve (, June 21, 2000.


I'm confused by your response as well. Where did Cherri mention anything BUT a desire to have a nice vacation? Her goals are different than mine, but I haven't led the life she has in the past several years. Are you suggesting that anyone that wants to have fun at this event is a dipshit/loser? If you are, I qualify.

I'm thinking about that bungee jump now. I haven't tried that one yet. Rollercoasters don't amuse me anymore, but after para-sailing, snorkeling in snark-infested waters, balooning, etc., my attitude has moved to "Death is painless.....FEAR of death is the big one." Can anyone lay a price-tag on that bungee jump?

-- Anita (, June 21, 2000.

Any suggestions on how we connect up via private email for final plans? What's to stop a troll from getting on the list? Plenty of cops and large casino/hotel security guys in Las Vegas, so no need to worry while we are there.

Can ANY of you honestly deny at least a few of the current fora participants - here & EZ - make YOU suspicious &/or uneasy? Come on, raise your hands.

The final details of the get together should not be posted here, but rather exchanged via e-mail only. This is a safety consideration that should be considered long and hard. Some of you have posted photos & are therefore recognizable. It only takes one nut to spoil a grand weekend. I refer not just to the remote chance of violence, but also practical jokes.

I suggest your biggest threat be from within. Anita as you often do you did not comprehend before commenting. I was telling Cherri that it was disappointing to see her involved in a project that had taken on the mindset reflected by the above referenced statements. I did not say that she herself made these comments.

Make sure both ends of the cord are firmly secured.

-- Ra (tion@l.1), June 21, 2000.

Sheeeesh Ra,

Who pissed your wheaties? I'd say we are a pretty laid back,carefree lot interested in having a good time.How in the world you ever came to the conclusion that wer'e a "special little collection of Nazis" baffles me.Prudence is one thing,paranoia is quite another.This thread has gone on for some time and I see no exclusion occurring whatsoever,EVERYONE is encouraged to attend if they want to or can.This includes you Ra,I'd like to buy you a drink if you are so inclined,if not that's ok too.Just don't let it be because you think I or we are "paranoid nazi's",that is ridiculous.


-- capnfun (, June 21, 2000.


I think safety SHOULD be considered. I'm one of the folks who posted my picture here. I'll be attending alone. Should I publish my intent to walk down street X and meet people at street Y with no concern that some weirdo that may lurk on internet fora may just decide to pull my sorry dipshit loser ass off the street?

-- Anita (, June 21, 2000.

Anita, why on earth would anyone want to pull your sorry dipshit loser ass off the street? You people really believe that someone would take the time and money to go to LV and hassle you? This is the exact type of delusional mentality that fueled the Y2K hysteria last year. I thought you were above all of that....go figure!

-- Ra (tion@l.1), June 21, 2000.


You seem to be unaware that other folks read fora. My spam doesn't come from regulars posting here. It comes from folks who just randomly lurk on internet fora seeking E-mail addresses. I'm not worried at all about the folks who post here, just like I'm not worried about my neighbors.

I don't think ANYONE would TRAVEL to LV to do anything weird. Having lived in Chicago most of my life, I would think that LV had enough weirdos that didn't NEED to travel. Are you suggesting that if you were a woman in my shoes you would gladly give out details on where you'd be and when over the internet? If you WOULD, I think you haven't lived in Detroit as you state you have.

Of course this discussion between you and I means nothing. YOU haven't posted your picture, and so far on this thread you've expressed nothing but inflammatory remarks on any who choose to attend this function. YOUR privacy is kept behind an anonymous name, no E-mail, no picture, and no information.'re criticizing those who want to keep their IRL plans limited to a select group?

I don't often use this term, but don't you see this as a bit hypocritical?

-- Anita (, June 21, 2000.


If I may elbow myself in here once again...

It's not that someone "would." But, seeing the nature of some of the hatred-and venom-filled posts here over the past several months, I think it's reasonable to project that someone "could."

In any case, I think it can be relatively easy to take a few precautions and then be free to potentially have more fun than you could possibly imagine.

-- eve (, June 21, 2000.

Here's something for the gamblers on this forum:

Win A Trip for 20 to LV

-- Anita (, June 21, 2000.

Anita & eve: I'm sorry you've been sucked into debate with that person on account of the content of one of my posts. I won't engage that person. I stand by what I wrote. No one need follow my advice. I merely ask the points made therein be considered. Review of Big Shot

The Desperado & Turbo Drop

-- Bingo1 (, June 21, 2000.

Manhattan Express Coaster at NY, NY Hotel & Casino

-- Bingo1 (, June 21, 2000.

My wife is a travel agent, 15 years in the business. She tells me Circus Circus and a few other hotels on the Strip will occasionally offer rooms as low as $19.95 total for double occupancy.

I know folks who've used & were happy with the results. Might be worthwhile for those with a budget large enough to afford a hotel room to give it a shot at the above price. You can narrow down the location so you don't get stuck in a downtown hotel.

-- Bingo1 (, June 21, 2000.

You know, I do see Ra's point regarding the "clique-ish" behavior of some of tb2k's "elite". Of all of your lists of "most-like-to-meet" posters, my name wasn't mentioned, among many others. I think maybe you are alienating some. I have lost much interest, and perhaps I will sit this one out.

-- cin (cin@cin.cin), June 21, 2000.

Anita, you are sounding more and more like Diane Squire and your little group is taking on the same odor that took the old forum into the sewer. Or not.


-- Ra (tion@l.1), June 21, 2000.

I think you all should put targets on yourselves and see who shows up.

At least something would happen....

-- sorry (, June 21, 2000.


I don't think that's the case at all,I WANNA PARTY WITH YA!!!,I really think it's a matter of including yourself,it's not like there's invitations being sent out.I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to meet and socialize in real time with ya.It's not like we are a bunch of cliqish assholes,just the more vocal,*IF* I were to make out a list it would be copied from the EVERYONE who has ever posted here list(available at bottom of top level).

Furthermore,I really want to talk and meet with the people who were in the opposite(RIGHT) camp as much as the ones with whom I shared shoes with.

Please,(you or anyone else)don't be a hardass,this is purely a good time amongst good people.

-- capnfun (, June 21, 2000.


I was looking forward to seeing you there. I assumed you would be right there, at the head of the line! And for anyone else who feels left out ... don't. Want to see you there too. KOS, where are ya??

-- Normally (, June 21, 2000.


For the life of me I can't see how you draw this conclusion.Ray Charles could see that there is more than reasonable fact behind the need to be careful on the internet,especially when disclosing exact ANYTHINGS.

You drawing the paralell from here to the old board is bullshit and you more than some,should recognize that easily.Not only is it unfounded it is insulting,there is no secret sect or clique that wishes to exclude anyone.INCLUDING YOU!!!

In the past I have read your posts with much regard,enjoying your wit and analysis,but not on this one dude,no quarter.

PS: Starting new vegas thread,this ones toooo long.

-- capnfun (, June 22, 2000.

"Of all of your lists of "most-like-to-meet" posters, my name wasn't mentioned, among many others. I think maybe you are alienating some. I have lost much interest, and perhaps I will sit this one out."

Seems to me I'm the only one who mentioned ANYONE by name. Was I supposed to mention EVERYONE? If so, why did Normally ask the question? I'm a member of a clique of ONE?

-- Anita (, June 22, 2000.

Well, for what it's worth, I see my "clique" as this whole forum (ok, maybe minus a bad guy or two). Whoever said that this was like the group at "Cheers" had it right on the money.

-- eve (, June 22, 2000.

This was NOT about cliques. I just wanted to make sure we thought about people who were not posting as often, or at all, now. Just because some are mentioned does not mean that all are not included, right?

That is why I said, please don't suggest whom you dont want to see. Count me as one person who wants to see y'all there.

-- Oxy (Normally) (, June 22, 2000.

I really can't help myself ... but didn't Lilith frequent that bar? (Sorry Anita, ;), I know it's OLD)

-- Debra (...@....), June 22, 2000.


Don't feel left out. I hope that EVERYONE who feels so inclined will make it to the party! After a few beers, even former opponents usually end up friends. Heck, I'd even like to meet CPR!!! I don't see my name on any "most-like-to-meet" lists, but that doesn't dampen my enthusiasm to go meet everyone and have a good time. Please come!!!

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), June 22, 2000.

After re-reading my post, the word pathetic comes to mind.

Excuse my insecurites, and thanks for coming to my pity party.

I WILL try to make it, swear. =o)

-- cin (cin@cin.cin), June 22, 2000.

Hi Cin,

Right now it doesn't look like I'm going to make it, but if I were going, I'd definitely want to see you there.

And remember all those picture threads? Although I'm actually too paranoid to post a photo, there were all kinds of "lists" and, as I recall, my name never came up once. I did feel a little uncomfortable at first, but after a bit, I just blew it off. I realized that people mean well and that not including your name on a list doesn't mean people aren't interested in you -- so, hang in there, girl.

-- eve (, June 22, 2000.

to the top...

-- Ready (Willing@Able.Togo), June 24, 2000.

Airport Shuttles

Public Transportation - Citizens Area Transit(CAT)

CAT routes, fares and schedules for The Strip

Navigate The Strip via four free monorails

-- Bingo1 (, June 24, 2000.

Some members of the group may wish to pool resources &, June 24, 2000.


If you can figure out a way to make it, please come. Your sensitive and thoughtful posts place you toward the top of my list of interesting people I'd love to meet.

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), June 24, 2000.

That's ugliness friends. Forgot a ". Try, try again.

Some members of the group may wish to pool resources & rent a passenger van for a jaunt over hill & cactus.

-- Bingo1 (, June 24, 2000.


Great info. I especially like the map of "The Strip". Where do you find all this stuff? Don't know where I'll stay yet, but I like to do serious slot-pulling up at the Sahara and over at the Palace Station (where a lot of locals seem to like to hang out). It would be neat to end up centrally located, but I've also heard that the Circus-Circus has good rates.

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), June 24, 2000.

A game of Quarters anyone?

Work up a thirst in the wee hours (nudge, nudge, know what I mean)? Trod on down to this brewpub:

Holy Cow 2423 Las Vegas Blvd. South, 702/732-2697. Las Vegas's original brewpub. The Standing sentinel on Sahara and the Strip, the Holy Cow slings some fairly tasty brews your way. They're not as distinctive as those from the Holy Cow's newer rivals, but they're reliably good and a lot of locals swear by them. And you gotta love the giant, ever-so-holy cow on the roof. (If only they'd put a patio up there.) Although its location suggests serious congestion, parking is never a problem. And if you take your suds as seriously as this town takes its gambling, the Holy Cow is your venue of choice - it never closes.

-- Bingo1 (, June 24, 2000.

Just so you know...Circus Circus is old and dusty. Don't think I would want to stay there, though we do visit to see the trapeze shows in the family arcade. The way I see it, you may as well spend the ten or so more dollars and stay some place really nice. With kids, Excalibur is really cool. For adults, I would say Caesars Palace or The Mirage. I'm pretty sure Harrah's is all non-smoking. Haven't heard much good about MGM Grand, other than overpriced.

There is a city bus that runs up and down the strip. Last I was there (2 years ago), it was only a dollar. Taxi's, I hear, are outrageous. Of course you can always walk up and down the strip. It can't be more than a mile, and you can walk with your drink in hand.

-- cin (cin@cin.cin), June 24, 2000.

Please Flash, enough with the formality. You may call me Bingo. ;^)

Go to your favorite search engine & plug in anything Las Vegas oriented. My fav is Dogpile

-- Bingo1 (, June 24, 2000.

Thank you cin (how relevant a name, don't you think given the destination?). :^) Just poking a little fun cin. No bruised feelings, OK?

Old & dusty may be the only recourse for some of us. Tip the maid a couple of bucks & ask her to give the room the once over twice. Or "borrow" the cleaning supplies & do it yourself. No problem. I'm not accustomed to feather pillows & padded mattresses. I slept on the floor for years to alleviate back problems. A roof over head would be nice. A shower would be really nice - for everyone's sake.

As to families & kids - time will be precious. I wish to spend time with those I have met on the forum, people I know a bit about & wish to get to know more deeply. No offense please, but I will not trade pleasantries with SO's & rug rats beyond "hello" & "there's a dog I used to know, would you excuse me."

There's no doubt some folks will mesh with others. I may meet Harriet, Fred & their 7 ankle biters & we may spend many hours immersed in playful activities. Or a small group may hole-up in a room playing quarters until sunrise. Who knows? I do believe the latter is MUCH more likely an activity for me to partake of than the former.

There IS a city bus that runs up and down the strip. Fares are now $2.00. See the link above. They're stingy about transfers. I plan to pack two pairs of comfortable walking shoes. A mile can be taken in about 10-15 minutes, especially when I'm revved up by the pace of a city.

Glad you are reconsidering, cin. You will have a blast.

-- Bingo1 (, June 24, 2000.


I just reread the whole thread and now understand why you most likely won't be able to make it. My heartfelt sympathies to you and your dad. My dad died of the same thing about two years ago, and it was very hard on us to see such a once vigouous man go in such a way. But, we continued until the end, trying to make his remaining time as comfortable as possible. What you described are almost identical symptoms to what we experienced. You are a wonderful daughter to take such good care of him! I know what you mean about the unreliablity of hired help. It sure can be expensive, too. I've often thought of trying to organize some sort of mutual-aid group for families with similar circumstances, but have never really gotten going with it. If you ever want to talk off-line, please let me know.

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), June 24, 2000.

Hi Flash,

Thank you so much for your kindness and understanding. I'm very sorry for what your dad went through, and that you had to see his decline in such a way; I hope you and your family are doing ok now. And thanks for the offer to talk; I do appreciate another means for advice and an outlet for some of the pressures. The group mutual aid thing sounds really cool, too -- maybe we could get some kind of connection together. You know, there's lots of stuff on the web too about Parkinsonism. And of course, always feel free to e-mail me about this or anything else.

-- eve (, June 24, 2000.

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