Looks like Andy Ray and the De-Bunkers have another job to do. It seems the Airheads at GICC as typified by "The Paula" are forumulating a new "rewrite" of history. The pitiful part is that someone actually gives these intellectually dishonest people MONEY to GUESS about such things.

Take a gander at this bull hockey (which seems to be "we had one example of each out of millions, therefore all the things we said were true??"):

"........From having reflected on the big picture of Y2K incidents in preparation for this presentation, it's also fascinating to me that just about every incident that was predicted has occurred somewhere. Y2K incidents have been documented in satellite communications, explosions, sewage system failure, billing problems, nuclear power plant problems, air transportation problems. Fortunately, they've been isolated cases. Had remediation and testing, and digital ducttape and contingency planning, not been so comprehensive, we'd be seeing massive breakdowns, imo. .."

SNIP: one of each out of how many leads to the decline and fall of civilization? NOT !

Does this Airhead know what the word "generalizations" mean? The answer to this is: "how did all the SMEs and 3rd world and Italy MISS OUT ON THE Y2k CATASTROPHE FUN?"

Or this :

".......Our presentation referenced many documented incidents, of which the audience was unaware, as well as explanations for why incidents aren't documented, or correlated with Y2K, and why fewer incidents occurred than feared. ..."

SNIP

This falls into either "the Comet missed the Earth this time but next time you just wait" thinking of your average Doom Droid or just a DIMWIT DEDUCTION:

"...My personal bottom line on why fewer incidents occurred is that remediation and preparation kept the number of incidents below the critical mass which would have set off a cascading effect of infrastructure breakdown. ..."

HMM: "personal bottom line"? Presented to an audience of Professionals??

Its this kind of History rewrite that Gordon and Yourdon have been doing for months that should be exposed for the fraud it is.

The only one missing at GICC seems to be Mr. Hysteria himself: Jay Golter. But then he could be busy passing out left over pamphlets for the Center for Y2k and Wasted Grants at the more upscale DC Metro Stations.

Read it and LAUGH:

Appreciation from the GICC Sysop greenspun.com : LUSENET : Grassroots Information Coordination Center (GICC) : One Thread -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=003EKo

I just want to thank the many GICC posters (over 60 during the past month) for your many quality posts and for your attentiveness to our GICC guidelines.

I've just returned from presenting a Y2K Learning Stories workshop at the American Society of Training & Development (ASTD) conference in Dallas. Our presentation referenced many documented incidents, of which the audience was unaware, as well as explanations for why incidents aren't documented, or correlated with Y2K, and why fewer incidents occurred than feared.

My personal bottom line on why fewer incidents occurred is that remediation and preparation kept the number of incidents below the critical mass which would have set off a cascading effect of infrastructure breakdown.

From having reflected on the big picture of Y2K incidents in preparation for this presentation, it's also fascinating to me that just about every incident that was predicted has occurred somewhere. Y2K incidents have been documented in satellite communications, explosions, sewage system failure, billing problems, nuclear power plant problems, air transportation problems. Fortunately, they've been isolated cases. Had remediation and testing, and digital ducttape and contingency planning, not been so comprehensive, we'd be seeing massive breakdowns, imo.

I continue to believe that the postings each one of you contribute reflect potential Y2K incidents, of which we may not yet be able to see the pattern, but by accumulating the data points, and by looking from different perspectives, and making connections, the patterns may yet reveal themselves. AND I still there are risks of Y2K incidents not yet occurred - in embedded chips with inaccurate dates, in applications for which trigger events have not yet occurred, and in delayed but not permanently fixed systems - particularly those with no plans for replacement or permanent remediation. Will the remediators of problems in 2028, who aren't even born yet, have any clues from todays records? WHat will the contributors to Timebomb 2028 (or whatever the dates are) be saying?

I'd love to hear your thoughts on any of the musings I've introduced here.

And if you are aware of organizations addressing their digital ducttape, or if you are aware of organizations NOT addressing their digital duct-tape, please post a reply.

-- Jan Nickerson (Y2KGICC@yahoo.com), May 26, 2000

-- Mystery Guest (Mystery-Guest@sign-in-please.com), May 29, 2000

Answers

GICC is a joke.

In the GICC world, all scheduled maintenance shutdowns at power plants are really coverups for noncompliant embeds.

In the GICC world, a ten-car pileup in dense fog is due to noncompliant embeds in the cars involved.

In the GICC world, 100 homes losing power during a thunderstorm was caused by a noncompliant embed at the Weather Bureau.

In the GICC world, a malfunctioning toaster will inevitably lead to the collapse of the world-wide power grid. Cascading failures, of course.

-- (retired@nd.happy), May 29, 2000.

>The pitiful part is that someone actually gives these intellectually dishonest people MONEY to GUESS about such things.

(Warning! Heavy Sarcasm) You're just jealous because no one is paying you to speculate. Such is life in the Ivory Tower, at least for a little while longer. I'm old enough to remember when PhD's in economics were unloading UPS trucks at $4.25/hrs during the last recession. I expect to see Paula flipping burgers during the next one.

-- (hungover@home.now), May 29, 2000.

Hungover,

You would be talking about PhD's without tenure. I'd guess Paula IS tenured and is therefore free to be an ass for life with health insurance, pension and sabatticals thrown in. Nice work if you can get it.

-- (nemesis@awol.com), May 29, 2000.

I saw 7 minor y2k problems an US nuclear plants documented by the Presidential Y2K commission during the rollover (there were likely other minor incidents). None even came close to causing plant shutdowns, like I said, they were minor.

I did read in an IEEE magazine an editor who claimed that a Japanese nuclear plant was shutdown, but I believe this was a rumor - does anyone have any concrete evidence that this occurred? There were some minor incidents I read in Japan, but I sure as heck don't remember a shutdown.

FYI, the USS Paula Gordon Y2K DoomShip is unsinkable ;)

-- FactFinder (FactFinder@bzn.com), May 29, 2000.

Minor bugs were reported at two nuclear plants shortly after midnight in Japan, although neither was sufficient to cause a shutdown. http://199.246.67.250/series/millennium/20000101/UMILLN.html

There goes the accuracy of IEEE again, geesh....

-- FactFinder (FactFinder@bzn.com), May 29, 2000.

One of my predictions last year was that by this time, all the optimists would be pointing to all that went right, while the pessimists would be pointing to all that went wrong, and BOTH would be claiming victory.

By now, I must consider this a nearly-failed prediction. If it weren't for Paula Gordon desperately trying to rewrite reality based on invisible trivia, I'd have been totally wrong. Bless her.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), May 29, 2000.

LOL Flint, you better be glad that Paula's claiming Y2K doomvictory, 'cause Dale Way's gone all polly now - see my IEEE posts above.

-- FactFinder (FactFinder@bzn.com), May 29, 2000.

Be gratefull indeed Flint. You need her and the other few.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), May 29, 2000.

You mean we get another Y2K in 2028? Kewl! :-)

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), May 30, 2000.

Thanks for the laugh :) Paula should be ashamed to open her mouth!

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), May 30, 2000.