This seems to a hot topic at the moment.Just so any men reading this don't get hold of the wrong end of the stick could you categorise your answers under headings such as lustful thoughts/important character traits/skill levels/status provision or whatever.

OK.I'll start

Important Character Traits....... Honesty,Moral Character and Integrity,does not believe in physical violence or cruelty against women,children & animals,is courageous when required.Believes that women maybe different than men but are entitled to equality.Has the ability to show tenderness towards loved ones.

Status.....not important in terms of power or prestige but important that he is respected as a man.

Skill Levels....At work.Important mainly as a reflection of his well- being.

Skill Levels...Around the Home.reasonably important but only as an expression of the division of labour.

Earning Capacity...Must be a worker but remuneration level not important.

Physical Appearance.....Does not have to be Mr Muscle but on the other hand a weed would not come across as manly in my eyes.

Lustful thoughts.....I suppose one can admire MichaelAngelo's "David" but really the problems one would have finding shirts & pants to accommodate those overdeveloped muscles !!

Skill Levels in the Bedroom....Not that important with the exception that a wham bang thank you mam would definately qualify as the nerd of the century.

Anybody else care to continue ??

-- Christine (griffen@globalnet.co.uk), May 27, 2000

Answers

Does what is right not what is popular...

-- Uncle Bob (unclb0b@aol.com), May 27, 2000.

Can hold breath for over an hour : )

PS. See yaw'll monday,gotta go have some FUN!!! Swank motel,lotsa libations,attitude adjustment,beautiful woman and giant hot tub with turbine jets(sorry Sumer,don't mean to tease; )Have a safe,relaxing and FUN holiday folks.

CAPNFUN RIDES AGAIN!!!

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 27, 2000.

oops...sorry Christine, just noticed that the question was for the fairer sex...

-- Uncle Bob (unclb0b@aol.com), May 27, 2000.

Ooooops moi too,sorry: |

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 27, 2000.

Aww chucks! You guys spoiled the thread, now Christine needs to start a new one over.

CapnFun, a REAL man would make sure to have fun responsibly. Now go and have fun! >;-)

-- (y@x.x), May 27, 2000.

In the world of romance, one single rule applies: Make the woman happy. Do something she likes & you get points. Do something she dislikes & points are subtracted. You don't get any points for doing something she expects. Sorry, that's the way the game is played. Here is a guide to the point system.

Simple Duties ------------- You make the bed...................................................+1 You make the bed, but forget to add the decorative pillows..........0 You throw the bedspread over rumpled sheets........................-1 You leave the toilet seat up.......................................-5 You replace the toilet-paper roll when it's empty...................0 When the toilet-paper roll is barren, you resort to Kleenex........-1 When the Kleenex runs out you shuffle slowly to the next bathroom..-2 You go out to buy her spring-fresh extra-light pantyliners with wings..............................................................+5 But return with beer...............................................-5 You check out a suspicious noise at night...........................0 You check out a suspicious noise and it's nothing...................0 You check out a suspicious noise and it's something................+5 You pummel it with a six iron.....................................+10 It's her father...................................................-10

Your Physique ------------- You develop a noticeable potbelly.................................-15 You develop a noticeable potbelly and exercise to get rid of it...+10 You develop a noticeable potbelly and resort to loose jeans and baggy Hawaiian shirts....................................................-5

Finances -------- You spend a lot of money on something impractical..................-5 Something she can't use...........................................-10 Such as a motorized model airplane................................-20 And she got a small appliance for her birthday....................-40

Driving ------- You lost the directions on a trip..................................-4 You lost the directions and end up getting lost...................-10 You end up getting lost in a bad part of town.....................-15 You get lost in a bad part of town and meet the locals up close and personal..........................................................-25 You know them.....................................................-60

The Big Question ---------------- She asks, "Do I look fat?".........................................-5 (Sensitive questions always start with a deficit) You hesitate in responding........................................-10 You reply, "Where?"...............................................-35

Communication ------------- When she wants to talk about a problem, you listen, displaying what looks like a concerned expression...................................0 When she wants to talk, you listen, for over 30 minutes............+5 You listen for more than 30 min. without looking at the TV........+10 She realizes this is because you've fallen asleep.................-20

Social Engagements ----------------- You stay by her side the entire party...............................0 You stay by her side for a while, then leave to chat with a college drinking buddy.....................................................-2 Named Tiffany......................................................-4 Tiffany is a dancer................................................-6 Tiffany has implants...............................................-8 When mingling, you hold your mate's hand and gaze at her lovingly..+1 When mingling, you introduce her as "the ol' ball and chain" and pat her on the rump............................................-5 When your mate points toward a hot-looking woman and asks you if you think she is attractive, you say, "Yes, but nowhere near as attractive as you"..............................................+1 When your mate points to a woman and asks if you think she's attractive, you say, "Yeah, but she's lousy in bed"................-6 That woman is her sister..........................................-90 You have one drink, and that's it...................................0 You have more than a few & perform the tango with a poodle.........-2 You have a lot of drinks, vaguely remember being fingerprinted....-18

Saturday Afternoon ------------------ You go to the mall together........................................+3 You go to the mall, drop her off at the entrance, then park the car................................................................+4 You go to the mall, drop her off at the entrance, then drive to a sports bar.........................................................-2 You spend the day shopping for furniture and pretend to like it....+3 You spend the day shopping for furniture, and nap on a sectional....0 You spend the day at a wholesale club, buying in bulk .............+3 Most of it chips and beer .........................................-6 You tackle a large household project, such as painting the den....+15 Or refinishing the floors.........................................+16 Or rewiring the basement..........................................+17 Or adding a second floor..........................................+18 Or setting up a Nerf Ball hoop over the bathroom wastebasket.......-6 And you're tickled pink about it..................................-15 You visit her parents...............................................0 You visit her parents and actually make conversation ..............+3 You visit her parents and stare vacantly at the television ........-3 And the television is off..........................................-6 You spend the afternoon watching college football in your underwear-6 And you didn't even go to college.................................-10 And it's not your underwear.......................................-15

Her Birthday ------------ You take her out to dinner..........................................0 You take her out to dinner and it's not a sports bar...............+1 Okay, it is a sports bar...........................................-2 And it's all-you-can-eat night.....................................-3 It's a sports bar, it's all-you-can-eat night, and your face is painted the colors of your favorite team.......................-10 You go to a nice, pricey restaurant & hire a guitar player.........+3 You go to a pricey restaurant, hire a guitar player and get up and sing...............................................................+4 If you stink.......................................................+2 If you're not half bad.............................................+5 You get up and sing a Barry Manilow song, and you're escorted out to much applause...............................................-2 You give her a gift.................................................0 You give her a gift and it's a small appliance....................-10 You give her a gift and it's not a small appliance ................+1 You give her a gift, and it isn't chocolate........................+2 You give her a gift that you'll be paying off for months..........+30 You wait until the last minute and buy her a gift that day........-10 With her credit card..............................................-30 And whatever you bought is two sizes too big......................-40

Thoughtfulness -------------- You forget her birthday completely................................-20 You forget your anniversary.......................................-30 You forget to pick her up at the bus station......................-45 Which is in Newark, New Jersey....................................-50 And the pouring rain dissolves her leg cast.......................-60

A Night Out With The Boys ------------------------- Go out with a pal .................................................-5 And the pal is happily married ....................................-4 Or frighteningly single ...........................................-7 And he drives a Mustang...........................................-10 With a personalized license plate (GR8 N BED).....................-15 You have a few beers...............................................-9 And miss curfew by an hour........................................-12 You miss curfew by an hour and you didn't call....................-20 You get home at 3 am..............................................-30 You get home at 3 am smelling of booze and cheap cigars...........-40 And not wearing any pants.........................................-50 Is that a tattoo??...............................................-200

Her Night Out ------------- You stay home while she goes out with her annoying friend from work...............................................................+5 She goes out with her annoying work friends, and she comes home late..............................................................+10 You wait up.......................................................+15 She goes out, comes home late and drunk, and you put her to bed...+20

A Night At Home --------------- You watch TV together...............................................0 You rent a movie...................................................+2 You rent a movie and it's SENSE & SENSIBILITY......................+3 It's SENSE & SENSIBILITY and you stay awake throughout.............+5 It's SENSE & SENSIBILITY and you fall asleep.......................-1 It's SENSE & SENSIBILITY and you fall asleep and drool.............-2

A Night Out ----------- You take her to a movie............................................+2 You take her to a movie she likes..................................+4 You take her to a movie you hate ..................................+6 You take her to a movie you like...................................-2 It's called DeathCop 3.............................................-3 Which features cyborgs having sex..................................-9 You lied and said it was a foreign film about orphans.............-15

Flowers ------- You buy her flowers only when it's expected........................ 0 You buy her flowers as a surprise, just for the hell of it........+20 You give her wildflowers you've actually picked yourself..........+30 And she contracts Lyme disease....................................-25

-- jj (de@h.m), May 27, 2000.

Jump in guys and tell us how you would define feminine ..in an idealistic way.

-- Chris (griffen@globalnet.co.uk), May 27, 2000.

jj Cracked up especially about leaving the toilet seat up.Happened last week.I didn't notice,sat down & kind of sunk into the depths.

NO,it wasn't funny !!!

PS.The offender only offered to pull the flush !

-- Chris (griffen@globalnet.co.uk), May 27, 2000.

"a weed" meaning as skinny as a rail?

Physical Appearance.....Does not have to be Mr Muscle but on the other hand a weed would not come across as manly in my eyes.

-- Manly Man (MM@MM.com), May 27, 2000.

Well my man is all this, and my bet friend. An if anyone one sniffs at him, they better hide. He is my man!

-- ET (bneville@zebra.net), May 27, 2000.

Chris,

Clean smelling hair always topped my list.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), May 27, 2000.

Chris:

I'm not convinced I HAVE a definition for manliness. I can address what turns ME on in a man, but others have their own criteria, which seems to address well the reasons why men that don't at all appeal to ME appeal to other women. [grin]

I'm a bit too lazy to accommodate the format criteria you'd prefer, so would it be okay if I simply listed turn-ons?

I can't help but use my ex-husband as a reference point on this one. I was attracted to his smile, great buns, muscular stature, and the fact that he was only 5'10, had light hair and blue eyes. Lust and Nazi-like thoughts of reproduction possibilities definitely played a role there. I didn't want daughters to be too tall, because being tall as a young girl wasn't fun for me. My mother encouraged me to find a young man of Norwegian descent and this guy's Swedish heritage seemed to me to be acceptable enough for those standards. [He sure beat the guys my mom thought had nice mothers.]

After a whirl-wind "relationship", we married and I learned what I DIDN'T want in a mate. AGAIN, listening to my mother, I stayed with the man for many years and reproduced the three children I have today. Mom didn't simply tell me that marriage was forever. She added, "If you can't get along with your FIRST husband, what makes you think you could get along with the next?" My mom's words plus the raking I took in my divorce pretty much ensured that I'd never marry again.

With that history in mind:

TURN-ONS: Smile [I'm a slow learner.] Conversation skills [Although I enjoy conversation on topics I understand, I enjoy learning MORE, so I appreciate the ability to converse on a wide-range of topics including those of which I have no knowledge.] Joy of life [positive attitude]. I met SO about 28 years ago when we worked for the same firm. We'd oftentimes shop on lunch-hour and I was totally amazed when he purchased some slacks and commented on how much he LOVED them. [How can one LOVE an inanimate THING?} Listening skills [Women complain a lot about how men don't listen. Women don't listen when they're not interested either. Again, when I first met SO, I was impressed by his ability to simply say, "Listen to what you just said."] Understanding [We don't have to agree to understand from where someone else is coming.] Open-mindedness [It's certainly no secret to anyone who has read my posts that I'm willing to discuss ANYTHING. IMO, there is no relationship if communication is stifled.] Freedom to be who we are [I mentioned this in Ken's thread, and I can't conceive of being mated to someone who didn't allow me to be me. In return, I can't conceive of being a mate who wouldn't allow him to be him.] This last one is the biggest of all, IMO, and one for which I'd recommend that folks who consider mating take all the time they need to get to know the other. Friendship [How can a relationship survive if folks aren't friends?] Self- esteem [If one is uncomfortable with him/herself, he/she can't relate to others without in some fashion lowering the other to a level below the esteem one doesn't have for him/herself.] Sexual prowess [Personally, I think that ANY man who can communicate with his mate regarding sexual needs can become "in touch" and satisfy. I have heard from other women that bodily physical changes (such as obesity, etc.) have encouraged them to prefer sex with the lights off. Although I don't think one needs to be compulsive about weight changes or attractiveness in general, I think it's considerate to think about the influence one has on their mate if the body is not well-tended. Of course genetic influences play a role in this regard and sometimes changes are outside our control.]

I would have liked to address turn-offs, but this post is already too long. Next?

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), May 27, 2000.

Manliness, hmmm? Is this one of those right-brain/left-brain/hare- brain questions? Giggle. Of course my definition is simple because I am simple minded: a MAN has more hair on his face, chest, and in his ears than I do. Giggle. Now, where did my shaker of salt go? Pout.

-- (looking@looking.now), May 27, 2000.

Anyone help a Brit out with terminology,please ???

Anita referred to a man having good buns ? The closest Brit saying is for a woman to have a bun in the oven-ie she is pregnant.So ???

Manly,

A weed is a man who has little muscle development apparent and is thin.Rather like a leggy seedling.A wimp refers more to mental attitude and mannerisms.

-- Chris (griffen@globalnet.co.uk), May 28, 2000.

J: I enjoyed your post, needed the laugh. :-)

Anita: VERY WELL PUT...could'nt of said it better myself.

Manliness, heavy topic. I can see why this thread was started since we were per se invited to 'step off' re: other man's thread. But, we dont seem biased in that regard here. for the men who posted: hooray.

I can only define manliness in what i now have in my current marriage. What attracted me to my husband was his DEPTH, he never had to say 'much' but when he looked into my eyes, I felt protected and loved. He takes his stand for me (in true cave-man fashion) only when he feels I am correct.

He is a LEADER, yet I am FREE to walk beside him, not behind.

He is self-confident, does not stress over bills, does not make me give 'account' for checkbook errors!!! (thats a biggie +)

Trustworthy, and ABOVE all, loves my children as they were/are his own,even though they are not. He received father of year award at our church 3 years ago.

Works, believes a woman's place is in home (anita, i do cut him some slack on this one, as I've already told ya about my mom-in-law.LoL) Although he still believes this way, I am a FREE woman in my own rite.

I can come and go, and he does the same, we maintain our own Individuality (sp) while accepting each other for who 'we' are.

That is IMHO a REAL MAN.

One who can satisfy me and prefers my satisfication to his own = sacrifice, which in turn makes me desire to fulfill his every need.

Hey, I dont mind getting up getting the glass of water for him.

Anita: re: ex's I can relate, once a woman has been with a man, to whom she cannot IMO do the above, it is time to LEAVE.

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), May 28, 2000.

I don't have much time to write right now, and I'd love to get back in on this one, but...in a nutshell:

Tha character of the man that Roberto Benigni (sp?) played in "It's a Beautiful Life" would come very close to my ideal of manliness -- if there really is such a thing.

-- eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), May 28, 2000.

Btw, some very nice posts, all...although I just had time to kinda skim them so far.

-- eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), May 28, 2000.

Roberto Benigni choice is good. The movie, though is Life Is Beautiful. The other movie, It's a Beautiful Life is the Christmas story starring Jimmy Stewart.

For Chris, was it?: Buns means butt.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.homepage), May 28, 2000.

My list for a SO or a friend:

Honesty, takes pride in appearance but not vain, intelligent and open- minded, not afraid to learn.

Only for the SO:

Broad shoulders and lotsa chest hair doesn't hurt...

-- Deb M. (vmcclell@columbus.rr.com), May 28, 2000.

The other movie was "It's a Wonderful Life"

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), May 28, 2000.

Sniff, sniff. It's all in the pheromones.

-- (nemesis@awol.com), May 28, 2000.

Roberto Benigni? Lol, that guy's a fruitcake!

Just admit it ladies, what you want from one day to the next is as unpredictable as your moods.

-- (Burt Reynolds @ I. know women), May 28, 2000.

"Broad shoulders and lotsa chest hair doesn't hurt... "

Would you settle for a broad waistline and lotsa ass hair?

-- Bubba (The@Butt.Monster), May 28, 2000.

Would you settle for a broad waistline and lotsa ass hair?

-- Bubba (The@Butt.Monster), May 28, 2000.

Not in this lifetime...

-- Deb M. (vmcclell@columbus.rr.com), May 29, 2000.

Thanks, Dancr, for the correction. The movie was "Life is Beautiful." Although I'm very interested in talking about this at greater length -- for now, isn't it easy when all you have to do is roll the film and just point?

All I saw was the one in Italian, with subtitles. I heard the one that was dubbed in was less satisfying. And I think I'll see it again so that I can spend more time on his facial expressions and less time reading the subtitles.

Back again as soon as I can...

-- eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), May 29, 2000.

What is manly to me...

Spirituality, respect for nature, self-discipline, gentle yet strong, rugged in a sense, but looks good in an Armani. Well endowment I consider to manly as well. Someone who can pick me up and carry me, and does so. (I am 5'10")

-- cin (cin@cin.cin), May 29, 2000.

This could turn out bad. Missread this. Assure that it's a girl's fresh hair that smells good. Dang.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), May 29, 2000.

Lol Carlos, it did cross my mind for a minute that perhaps you were into the Fabio type. :-)

-- Hawk (flyin@hi.again), May 29, 2000.

Burt,

"Just admit it ladies, what you want from one day to the next is as unpredictable as your moods."

You can say that again!

-- One Who Knows (okw@studs."r".us), May 29, 2000.

Cin, you've described Ken Decker! And Ken told me in private that he becomes weak for a leggy woman 5'10"+. Are you single also? If you are, let me know, I'll set up an email account and get you two together. Reasonable fees ;-)

-- (y@x.x), May 29, 2000.

Just admit it cin, all you really want is a Long Dong Silver. ;-)

-- Burt Reynolds (got@ya.covered), May 29, 2000.

Burt,

How about Long Tung Silver?

-- UnoHoo (unohoo@studs."r".us), May 29, 2000.

yxx...

you mean you've seen it? =oP

-- cin (cin@cin.cin), May 29, 2000.

"How about Long Tung Silver?"

Naaah, she seems like a dong kinda woman, I bet she prefers the dong.

"Diamonds are a lady's best friend"... after the dong.

-- Burt (a.k.a.@the.bandit), May 29, 2000.

(Carefully stepping around the droppings of adolescent male miniature poodles)

This thread is a little confusing to me, because I don't think that attractive and manly are the same thing. Manly is on my list of what I find attractive, but I've met a lot of men I think of as manly who were not necessarily attractive to me.

F'rinstance, cin, an attractive (to me) man would be well-endowed, but I don't think the size of his member is the measure of a man's manliness.

-- (Adelle@home.now), May 29, 2000.

Adelle, that was just my personal opinion. A well endowment (sp) seems to me a manly thing. But I would in no way measure a man's masculinity by the size of his penis. Capiche?

-- cin (cin@cin.cin), May 30, 2000.

Carlos,

Your next line should be:

"Not that there's anything *wrong* with that".

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), May 30, 2000.

cin,

Ever hear of Tommy Lee? He's well endowed, but ain't much of a man. Bastard's been slappin me around, gets all his guts from a bottle.

-- Pamela Anderson (all@bruised.up), May 30, 2000.

Burt,

You seem to be uncommonly wise. But really, don't you think that the sexiest thing about most guys is the size of their wallet?

-- Uno Hoo (unh@studs."r".us), May 30, 2000.

Ok, I now realize how shallow that sounded so to all the male egos I've hurt.....I humbly apologize.

I guess the male equivalent of my statement would be a guy saying that bigger boobs were more feminine -- Yikes. =o)

-- cin (cin@cin.cin), May 30, 2000.

Cin,

Nothing personal to you or our other esteemed ladies, but those of us who have been single long enough to date a reasonably large sample of women often experience some of the same behavior patterns enough to reach some conclusions that affect our future behavior.

Since I don't look like a "hunk", I've observed many times that the appearance of being well-off financially has had an aphrodisiac effect on women who hardly acknowledged that I existed until they discovered that I might be "well heeled". Of course, if they later found out that it wasn't true, they'd likely dump me pronto.

I'm not accusing you or anyone else on the forum of being this way, just stating that there are more of your sisters that respond erotically to financial stimuli that you realize or want to admit.

As far as penis size is concerned, it's likely a factor in initial attraction, but as the saying goes, "it's not how long you make it, it's how you make it long!" I believe that I am of relatively average dimensions, but have always enjoyed a much greater "repeat ratio" than some of my better-endowed and more "manly" buddies.

Perhaps those of you who are not this way got married early or quickly after any divorce and weren't on the market long enough to affect the statistics.

-- Uno Hoo (unohoo@studs."r".us), May 30, 2000.

Uno:

I've met many women who find purse size attractive. A few women couldn't understand why I would divorce a man who had "provided" me with a washer and dryer. Of course they didn't realize that I worked at a good wage and my income went into that purchase as well.

It seems that men are faced with either accepting an independent woman who can/will support her own needs/desires, or accepting a woman who expects a man to provide the support for her needs/desires. Herein lies one dichotomy in the mating game.

If a male determines his manliness by subordination of the female, the man must also be willing to accept total subordination, which reduces the male/female relationship to that of man and child. If a male determines his manliness by accepting the female as an equal partner in a relationship, the female is more inclined to behave like an equal partner, meaning that the needs of a child are not expected.

If you're finding that purse size is of importance to women, why is it that you're associating with women who don't have the skills to provide their own big purse?

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), May 30, 2000.

Anita,

I'm looking for a lady with some sort of balance between the extremes. I find independent women stimulating to date, but a pain to be with in a longer term relationship. On the other hand, the dependent types are a pain too. I strongly suspect that the more balanced ones tend to get married young and stay married in most cases. That's why there is a dearth of them in the singles market until you get above 40.

Your arrangement sounds like it works out fairly well. If were about 10% less independent, you'd likely be perfect on my scale!

-- Uno Hoo (unh@can't.live.without.em), May 30, 2000.

Balls that touch his knees and a schlong that hits the floor.

-- Monica (my@kinda.man), May 30, 2000.

Monica, A man that well endowed would have to dress to the right and to the left !LOL

-- Chris (griffen@globalnet.co.uk), May 30, 2000.

A man that well endowed would be in constant pain...

hikin' my leg...

The Dog

-- The Dog (dogdesert@hotmail.com), May 30, 2000.

Just brainstormin

Im still not sure what manliness really is, but for meideally, anyway

Honesty, integrity, lust for life, make that absolutely passionate about life, intelligent, creative, good communicator (including facial expressions and other body language), sensitive, compassionate, open, sense of humor, independent, assertive, likes the outdoors, can get silly, can get really silly, can get outrageously silly, admita mistakes, gives me a single long-stemmed rose when theres no special occasion and not after a fight, doesn't have to be great in bed -- but willing to learn, can get into spontaneous mudfights and snowball fights, play wrestling, etc., with me, other spontaneity, willing to try new things, not reluctant to show his emotions(lots of other stuff, but I didnt want to ramble on too long)

I knowthats ideal; but any reasonable combination Id call manly in a way that would be attractive to me.

-- eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), May 30, 2000.

Is that all? No problem, just help me find Superwoman and I think we will have a perfect match.

-- Superman (up.up@and.away!), May 30, 2000.

Eve,

You been spying?

And what did you mean by that 'learn' remark? ; )

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 30, 2000.

It is not the meat, its the motion.?

-- uh-huh (u@knowwho.me), May 30, 2000.

It's not the size of the jet it's the pressure behind it; )

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 30, 2000.

Superman,

Hey -- relax, guy! If you think about it, much of the stuff I listed could just be boiled down to "fun-loving." You know, I could easily have made it tougher, by adding, "shouldn't be reluctant to show fear when confronted by kryptonite." :)

Mornin' capnfun,

By "learn," I meant -- you know -- practicing anti-snoring techniques, not hogging the blankets, surprising me with breakfast in bed once in a while -- that sort of thing.

Why? What did you think I meant? ;)

-- eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), May 31, 2000.

I can't help but notice that none of the females included the ability to kill a bear with a butter knife or build a mall from a Q-tip and a pocket-knife [What was the line used in that movie?] None even addressed the death/burial role....as in "The Man Is The One Who Buries The Dog When He Dies, while the woman is the one responsible for life."

As for penis size, early on in my life I met a woman married to a man with a large penis, who later had an affair with a man who had a "not so large" penis. All she said was, "You sure can't tell a man by his size." I also had some really off-the-wall neighbors when I was first married. All the neighbors congregated on the front porch of these folks in the summer and laughed. Charlie was a carpenter...married to Marilyn. They had 5 kids. Their best friends lived across the street. They had 2 kids. Pat's wife would invariably make a comment about his lovemaking ability [or lack of] and Charlie would take off on how this was due to Pat having a big one. He'd say, "Those guys with the big ones just lay them out, while those of us with the litl'uns have to figure out how to USE 'em." Then Charlie's wife would say, "Charlie only needs to hang his pants on the bedpost and I'm pregnant." They were a fun group.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), May 31, 2000.

Eve,

Just funnin',but was referring to technique re 'learn'.Oh,and define breakfast; )

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 31, 2000.

capnfun,

My little winking face was supposed to show you I KNEW what you meant. I WAS referring to "technique" in my original post; I was just funnin' right back at ya in the next one. :)

I mostly like simple breakfasts, like cereal and fruit; I combine cereals and sometimes grind my own wheat for hot cereal or add it to a mix of Wheat Chex and Grape Nuts, my favorites -- I'm always experimenting, though. But if you're -- I mean if one is good at eggs (which I have once in a while), I like 'em sunny side up, so's I can dip some toast in 'em. What do you like, capn?

-- eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), May 31, 2000.

Geez, Eve. The innuendos in your breakfast preferences even made ME blush!

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), May 31, 2000.

Omigawd, Anita...maybe my breakfast choices really all have a Freudian basis. In that case, I'm really glad I didn't list another breakfast favorite of mine...a bagel with a banana. Now THAT would have been embarrassing.

capn,

To clarify...I really do like breakfast in bed, but it's difficult with me, as by 6 or 7 am weekend mornings (sometimes even earlier), you'd more likely find me out on the front porch with a hot cup of coffee and a book, as I'm an early riser. Once in a while, I'll even stroll a ways to get a better view at a sunrise. So, you'd have to at least come out and offer me a snuggle to coax me back into bed. Then, after I doze off again, you could gently rise and come back with breakfast. And if you threw across the tray a long- stemmed rose...................I'm sorry, I think I'd better quit now, capn...I'm starting to notice a little perspiration and I haven't even exercised yet.

-- eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), May 31, 2000.

Eve,

I usually don't like food for breakfast but I do enjoy cooking for others.If I do fix breakfast though I prefer french toast and sausages,eggs sunnyside up with bacon on the side.One oddity for breakfast food is leftover pizza and chocolate milk.

No need in going back to bed though,the porch sounds interesting at sunrise : )

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 31, 2000.

Capn for shame for shame, w/the jet comment, how'd ya know :-)

Eve: LOL, i knew you had some wild in ya...

sumer... who just GOT busted by the Fun Dude!@#

Ready to porch wrestle? :-)

-- uh-huh (u@knowwho.me), May 31, 2000.

Sumer,

Just a hunch (oh sorry,send moi to the punitentiary)

I think this porch thang has ruined me for the rest of the day ; )

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 31, 2000.

Eve,

[To clarify...I really do like breakfast in bed, but it's difficult with me, as by 6 or 7 am weekend mornings (sometimes even earlier), you'd more likely find me out on the front porch with a hot cup of coffee and a book, as I'm an early riser. Once in a while, I'll even stroll a ways to get a better view at a sunrise. So, you'd have to at least come out and offer me a snuggle to coax me back into bed. Then, after I doze off again, you could gently rise and come back with breakfast. And if you threw across the tray a long- stemmed rose...................]

You sound like one really nice lady!!! Thanks for the tips. Maybe if us guys would pay attention more to advice like this, we and our ladies both would have happier lives. I'm an early riser too, and really enjoy the quite and nature before the rest get up. Morning people are usually nice people!

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), May 31, 2000.

Thank you, Flash, for your sweet words; and you're welcome for the "tips." And it's good to see that you appreciate the peace and beauty of the natural world in the early morning too; it's really a special time for me.

-- eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), May 31, 2000.