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Intruder killed by homeowner Couple 'pretty shook up' over shooting
By Jennifer Dobner Deseret News staff writer
Mike Kooyman didn't sleep much Sunday night. Instead, he was keeping watch over his parents. "They're pretty shook up, they've been in tears," Kooyman said. "My dad came in to me at about 3 a.m. and said, 'Son, I killed a man.'" Kooyman's father shot and killed an intruder in the couple's West Central City home about 2:45 a.m. Sunday. The intruder, who remained unidentified Monday morning, pounded on a sliding glass door until it broke and then entered the home, Salt Lake Police Lt. Jim Jensen said. "From what my dad told me (the intruder) looked at my dad with death in his eyes and said 'Adios, amigos'; they were terrified," Kooyman said. "My dad fired a couple of shots to the side as a warning, but he came at them violently." Kooyman's parents, who do not share the same last name as their six children, have asked that their names not be used in the paper. Police have confiscated the man's .40-caliber handgun that was used in the shooting. Just before the man broke into the home, the couple was awakened by their barking dog. They called police and yelled at the man to leave, but he still entered the home, police said. The intruder was hit by one bullet and pronounced dead at LDS Hospital, Jensen said. The dead man had been tentatively identified by police Monday morning, but his name was not being released pending that verification, Lt. Jim Hill said. The homeowners told police they did not recognize the man. Sunday's shooting, which is classified as a homicide, will be screened with the district attorney, who ultimately will decide if the action was self-defense or warrants criminal charges, Hill said. "From the standpoint of the police, at this point, it looks like a justifiable situation," he said. "The Utah Code is pretty specific." The criminal code titled "force and defense of habitation" states that a person is justified in using force that is "intended or likely to cause death or serious bodily injury" when "the entry is made or attempted in a violent and tumultuous manner . . . and he reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent the assault." The code also states a person is justified in using force if he believes the intent of the intruder is to commit a felony. Police are unsure if the dead man broke into the home in order to rob it or with the intent to harm the residents, Hill said. It is possible the man was in the wrong place or may have been under the influence of drugs or alcohol, he said. The State Medical Examiner's Office was to perform an autopsy on the man's body Monday. Kooyman said his parents were afraid to go to sleep after the incident. His father, who is an avid hunter and taught Kooyman and his siblings about gun safety, is not a violent person, Kooyman said. "I can't imagine him intentionally hurting another person, but what choice did he have?" he said. Other family members said Sunday they believe their parents would have been killed if not for the gun. "If they were unarmed they wouldn't be here today. I don't think (the intruder) was there to steal anything, but he was there to hurt them," their daughter said. "Unfortunately, the elderly are the ones that often get victimized. I don't think they should be forced to put bars on their windows, but that's how older people have to live nowadays. We are definitely pro-gun rights. I'm going to go get one tomorrow." Kooyman said his father does want gun-rights advocates to hold the shooting up as an example of why individual freedoms should be protected. Although he does have a concealed weapons permit, Kooyman's father resigned his membership in the National Rifle Association because he disagreed with some of the NRA's actions. But Kooyman, who said he and his father have often talked about what they might do if someone broke into their homes, said he hoped his dad would again do whatever was necessary to protect himself. "If his life or my mother's life was threatened, I hope he would. I know it sounds selfish, but I would be the victim's family otherwise." he said. " My dad's really passive. He doesn't feel good about this in any way." Deseret News staff writer Brady Snyder contributed to this report. E-mail: email@example.com
-- Happiness is a (Warm@Gun.com), May 25, 2000
Oh, and here's another
53-year-old grandmother thwarts robbery by whipping out revolver
-- Happiness is a (Warm@Gun.com), May 25, 2000.
In NYC or Washington D.C. those Utah people would have been dead or at least brutalized and robbed. I wonder which of these places have the most violent crime [G].
-- Marksman (CCW@top.gun), May 25, 2000.
How thoughtful of our forefathers to include this right in the Constitution.
Take THAT!! Ms. Feinstein[sp?].
-- Brave Couple!!! (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 25, 2000.
I was listening to the government news earlier today, mostly had it on for the noise,but I noticed they had alot of killing stories on, a bunch killed in a Wendy's in NY, several others too. It is all sad, and frightning, the spin of the government media again...they should have had this story on also, a little unbiased news would be nice, wouldn't it?
-- Last mate (email@example.com), May 25, 2000.
The right to bear arms....I can say, YES!!!!!
I would have done the same. Anyone on here wouldnt of pulled the trigger?
There are shootings everyday FWIW, I said it before, it is not the GUN, but 'who' is behind it.
I took a self defense course awhile back thinking ah what the heck?
It SAVED my life. IMHO, all of 'us' women should take it. You never know. It was inexpensive and earned me a college credit also.
-- consumer (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 25, 2000.
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Rosie O'Donnell's Bodyguard Gets a Gun - How Nice!
Rosie O'Donnell just hates guns.
They are evil. They hurt people. They kill people.
Remember how she treated Tom Selleck on her show for supporting the NRA.
Rosie would like a gun-free world for America - or should we say for the rest of America.
For herself, she would like a gun. She would like one for her bodyguard. Why? To keep her and her children safe.
Some of Rosie's Greenwich, Conn., neighbors noted the irony recently when her bodyguard applied for a gun permit.
Greenwich Police Chief Peter Robbins told the Stamford Advocate that indeed Rosie's bodyguard had applied for a concealed weapon permit.
"The facts are [O'Donnell's] bodyguard has made an application for a carry permit," Robbins told the paper. "It's under review and I haven't yet granted a permit for this applicant."
O'Donnell's spokeswoman, Jennifer Glaisek, explained the move to the Stamford Advocate. She said that O'Donnell's children "need a bodyguard because they have been the targets of threats, on which she refused to elaborate."
Rosie's request raised worries with the local school district after rumors floated that the bodyguard would be armed when he brought one of O'Donnell's sons to school.
O'Donnell denies that will happen.
She said she has no problem with her decision to get the gun.
"I don't personally own a gun," Rosie told the Advocate, "but if you are qualified, licensed and registered, I have no problem."
Funny, Rosie, that's the same policy of the NRA.
O'Donnell also may not be fitting in with her wealthy neighbors in Greenwich.
"People here have too much money," she complained to the paper.
Get this, she also claims she wants her kids to attend public schools.
"I come from a working-class background. That's always been the plan."
We'll believe it when we see it. After all, if she wanted to live in a blue collar neighborhood and have her kids attend public schools, she would have moved to Hoboken, not Greenwich.
-- justa, (ponderin with email@example.com), May 25, 2000.