If and a big IF the reports are true...then the RED BLOOD CELLS along with the WHITE CELLS are possibly capable of carrying a pathogen...remember your biology...if these cells are then emmersed in fluid (LUNG TISSUE, NASAL PASSAGES ECT) and then activated what sort of PATHOGENS could they contain? What sort of PANDORA's BOX have we opened?

So, you haven't yet figured out the airborne conditioning-agent release program that is being operated by the government. I'll give you some hints, but first I'll give you a little information about myself. I'm a retired government scientist with an advanced degree in one of the health-related disciplines. I do not use my real name for fear of retaliation, either against me, or against members of my family. I always try to route my e-mail communications so that they appear to come from another source, usually from one somewhere within the government. Sometimes I use the internet resources of the public library - whatever it takes to hide my true identity and confuse those who don't want the sort of information I possess to fall into the public's hands.

I have a small circle of friends who are, or were, in key positions within our military and several government agencies. These are not the very top level personnel, but mid to upper mid-level people, scientists and analysts, who are in positions where they can see the day-to-day activities of what's going on, who are charged with implementing the details, but who are never quite privy to the schemes behind the work they do. Each of my contacts has been able to supply me with a portion of the puzzle, but separately, none of them understands the whole story. I'll tell you what I've pieced together so far. But I have to admit that this information frightens me because there is no place I can go with it. What am I supposed to do - write my congressman? I believe that would be like signing my own death warrant.

This whole chemtrail issue is related to the plan for decreasing the world population to around 450-500 million -- and starting with the US first. Why? The people of the US are the only ones with even the remotest chance of stopping this. That is, if they knew about it. That's why the US has to be the first to go. You have to understand that the world's elite covet the US for its geographic diversity - and they would love to return this country to its condition as it existed prior to Columbus setting foot here, but without the Native Americans this time of course. 20

You may have already heard how several national parks have been designated as world biospheres - that's the plan for all of North America, a giant nature park and playground that will be devoid of annoying human beings (that would be us). And the people actually involved in doing the spraying, as well as those who will take part in the rest of the plans, are being duped into believing they will be spared, that is, permitted to live and remain on this continent as administrators and caretakers of this vast nature preserve. I understand that about 150 to 200 thousand people are projected as necessary for maintenance purposes. But it's likely these people will not be Americans. Those in charge wouldn't want to risk the possibility of some sort of revolt, so the workers will probably be brought in from Europe and Asia.

There are rumors floating about the internet that the chemtrails are part of some sort of secret program the government is doing to protect the US from future biological attacks. Nothing could be further from the truth. The plan is to sensitize, or condition, the US population to being wiped out by influenza A. Over the past few years, people have been encouraged to get flu shots to protect them against the generally non-lethal strains that circulate through the population during flu season. 20

Each year the US government has guessed which strains were most likely to spread. They seem to always guess right - don't they? This flu season, the government protected people with a trivalent vaccine that included the A/Beijing/262/95-like (H1N1) and the A/Sydney/5/97-like (H3N2). It also contained the B/Beijing/184/93-like hemagglutinin antigens. For those not familiar with virology, the H and N refer to proteins on the outside of the virus, the hemagglutinin and neuraminidase, which are responsible for the virus attaching to, and then invading, a host cell. The public has been quite pleased with the success of the vaccines offered so far. But that will change in the future.

Researchers at the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (or USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick in Frederick MD have reconstructed and modified the H1N1 Spanish Flu virus, making it far more deadly than it ever was back when it was responsible for the 1918-1919 flu pandemic that killed over 20 million worldwide and over 500,000 here in the US. Consider that it could have killed many more, but back then, people couldn't hop on a jet and travel from New York to L.A. in five hours. Now, our ability to travel will increase the spread and will be our downfall.

The flu vaccines contain killed virus and protect the body well against challenge by that particular strain, but work poorly against other strains not included in the inoculation. At some point, the vaccine stockpile will include the more lethal modification of the 1918 H1N1 in its live form. Most people receiving this vaccine will simply be renewing their annual flu shot, and the vaccine will still include the inactivated version of the more benign form of H1N1 (as was included in this year's vaccine). The presence of the milder strain in the inoculum will slow down the progression of the more lethal H1N1 form, so people will become sick more slowly - but they will still eventually die. It will just take a few weeks longer.

In the meantime, they will be carriers for the lethal form of the virus, passing it on to everyone with whom they make contact. And as people hear that others are dropping dead from the flu, they will flock to get their own vaccination. And the entire population will be more receptive to infection because their lungs will have been pre-conditioned to guarantee it.

If you will remember back to 1968 and '69, the Hong Kong flu, which was influenza A type H3N2, killed over 30,000 people in the U.S. alone. That was a fortuitous learning event for some because it taught them that the flu could still conceivably be used to wipe out a population. But at the same time, it pointed out the need to precondition the populace so that those who might normally be resistant could be rendered susceptible. Hence the development of the vaccine program and the aerial spraying procedures to condition the population. The purpose of the chemicals in the chemtrails is to help the viral envelope fuse with lung cells, permitting easier penetration and infection.

But what about those few individuals who don't succumb to the flu? Probability alone demands that there will be some who survive - pockets of the population that are either not reached or somehow (and this is less likely) are resistant to the lethal H1N1 strain. At this point you must also remember that our military personnel have been immunized against a variety of pathogens, including the anthrax bacillus. 20

For those geographically isolated areas where the flu doesn't do its job, it's a fairly simple matter to lay down anthrax spores and then send in what's left of the military to take care of anyone still breathing. The anthrax spraying will probably come under the guise of a flu protection program to save those still alive after the epidemic. And the military, having been exposed to civilians with the flu, will eagerly await their own flu shots. I should emphasize that this is a last resort scenario. Those orchestrating the plan will not want to use anthrax until all other possibilities are exhausted - this because of the long-term viability of anthrax spores. To scatter them over the countryside would mean the area would be dangerous for use by humans, at least those not vaccinated against the bacteria.

And think about this for a moment. Why do you suppose agencies like Fish and Wildlife are so eager to reintroduce wolves and other species into areas of the country which haven't seen these animals for generations. It's all part of the plan to restore this land to what the elite envision as its early paradise-like state, with wild animals freely roaming the uninhabited plains and forests. Granted, it will take some time to clean up the place and to maybe destroy a lot of small towns that might otherwise be considered a blight on the landscape. But for the global elite it will be a small price for us to pay for their enjoyment.

-- (we@re.gonna.die), May 13, 2000

Answers

Do you like peanut butter? I do.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), May 13, 2000.

I'm a retired government scientist with an advanced degree in one of the health-related disciplines. I do not use my real name for fear of retaliation, either against me, or against members of my family.

Judging from your grasp of science, I would say that you retired in the 1920's :o)...

Best wishes,,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), May 13, 2000.

If and a big IF the reports are true, yeah...I think I could get into peanut butter again. 20

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), May 13, 2000.

I like peanut butter, to!

-- ed (edrider007@aol.com), May 13, 2000.

--,

You said,

emmersed in fluid (LUNG TISSUE, NASAL PASSAGES ECT

What school did you say you went to?

I couldn't make it past here, sorry, but if you want to do a Doom & Gloom, work on it a bit.

Frank

P.S. I like peanut butter too. Especially the "natural" kind with chunks of nuts.

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), May 13, 2000.

HOW ABOUT A SLICE OF PEANUT BUTTER?

Knight-Ridder/Tribune May 10, 2000 Start spreading the news. Oklahoma State University food researchers have taken the wraps off their vision of peanut butter's future, and it looks just like a slice of cheese wrapped in clear plastic. Except it's brown instead of yellow.

According to the Dallas Morning News, OSU researchers and Oklahoma's peanut promoters say consumer demand for a more convenient product led them to create the "peel and eat" slices. They hope to see the new product on grocery shelves within 18 months.

http://chicagotribune.com/leisure/goodeating/news/article/0,2669,1- 0005100281,FF.html

-- Lynn Ratcliffe (mcgrew@ntr.net), May 13, 2000.

Oklahoma's peanut promoters say consumer demand for a more convenient product led them to create the "peel and eat" slices. They hope to see the new product on grocery shelves within 18 months.

SEE THERE thats me ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ now who said i didnt have no friends? Yeah I got friends in high places.....lol

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), May 13, 2000.

Lynn:

You mean that my cheese shouldn't be brown. It has been for the last few months.

Best wishes,,,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), May 13, 2000.

Well we, seems like this got off track...chemtrails to peanut butter, but most of the folks here are nuts. There better start making their own peanut butter though, that store bought shit is full of junk besides peanuts.

O about the theory, it is interesting. I just recently read FLU by gina Kolata, it was about the epidemic in 1918, and the government went to extremes to find some live viris.

Allyou peanut butter eaters ought to open your eyes instead of your mouths. Oh, thats right you can't open your mouths, they are glued shut by peanut butter.

-- crawdad (crawdad@ihate peanutbutter.nut), May 13, 2000.

Crawdad:

There better start making their own peanut butter though, that store bought shit is full of junk besides peanuts.

But it doesn't have aflatoxin, which you can't test for if you make your own.

They have parts of the viral genome from several sources [one set from Alaska, one from NJ and I beleive one from Europe]. The idea is to try to find out sequence changes that led to the extreme increase in killing capacity. It will be years.

Best wishes,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), May 13, 2000.

crawdad,

Peanutbutter chemtrails kinda sums this issue. Nice.

My pop survived the 1918-19 Spanish flu as a kid and the guy never caught anything, and I mean anything, after that except when I brought the mumps home in '57. Balls swollen to church bells and I wasn't popular.

Chemtrail silliness is just that, but, you can't entirely discount the concept of inocculation against disease without considering its potential counterpart.

No conspiracy fan here but I've been in the drug biz for 30 years and have seen absolute huge increases in asthma & ADHD. Chemtrails? Naw, but some things have changed and it scares people and rightfully so. Makes fertile ground for bullshit and clouds efforts to understand.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), May 13, 2000.

Hey z,

Beings I hate peanut butter I don't eat it period. But as for Alaska, yes they got some there, and N.J. out of a soldier stored in some archives, as for the Europe stuff, according to the book I read the cemetary had unfroze so the virus was dead there.

Carlos,

I really don't think chemtrails are silly, my father lost a brother to the 1918 flu, that was tragic, anyone born after 1918 cannot be immune to this thing they have tested people born since then and they have no antibodies againist it. It could kill millions of people, and the fact the government wants it so bad, I am sure is to protect us, and make a vaccine and give us some more shots. Peanut butter may not be so bad after all, better than a virus growing on me or in me.

-- crawdad (crawdad@ihatepeanutbutter.nut), May 13, 2000.

Crawdad:

If the book said that the virus was dead; it was a silly book. The samples are all incomplete. The information will help in predicting what future, natural changes, in genome sequence portend. It will be years before we understand how those sequence changes translate into viral effects in the human population. If those changes are seen in the future, it will be possible to mount a protection campaign.

Very important stuff.

Best wishes,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), May 13, 2000.

Z

Did not say that said the virus they got in Europe was dead, believe you me they got plenty of it from the eskimo in alaska and the soldier in New Jewsey. Enough to grow and do what they want with I am sure. Remember the swine flu vaccine that was such a disaster? It was killing people. Remember the chickens in Hong Kong they wiped out in 1997? The flu spread from birds to 1 human, so they killed all the chickens. Did they save the humans that ate the birds or create starvation instead? I do not think one person getting a chicken disease is an epidemic.

And I still hate peanut butter.

-- crawdad (crawdad@ihate peanutbutter.nuts), May 13, 2000.

Crawdad:

according to the book I read the cemetary had unfroze so the virus was dead there.

Sorry [not dead], that is the only way I can read your statement. You are saying that they have replicating virions. I don't actually work in the area although I have oversight responsibility. Have not been to a meeting on the subject for 6 months. You must have references in the scientific literature to support your claims. I am certainly willing to look at those.

Best wishes,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), May 13, 2000.

Me too Z. Overspeaking is easy here and I've done mine. Still, the viruses will win out. They're just so damned much better at adapting to life than we are. Survive? Us? Yeah probably. It's kind of a been there done that thing. Runaway human population is more threat to humans than the simpler stuff we share this planet with.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), May 13, 2000.

I guess it's time to break out the colloidal silver generator and brew up a few good sized batches in anticipation of all the new bugs that seem to be surfacing.

-- Lurker2 (lots@to.lurk.for), May 13, 2000.

never end a sentence with a preposition never end a sentence with a prepositon never end a sentence with a preposition never end a sente

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), May 13, 2000.

We're all gonna die!!

-- Me (I'm gonn@.enjoy.living.while.i.can), May 13, 2000.

To quote Churchill on ending sentences with prepositions...

That is a rule up with which, I shall not put.

-- CD (costavike@hotmail.com), May 13, 2000.

Ever since I heard that song,

"God didn't make little green apples, and it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summertime", I've been just plain suicidal....

How can people LIVE under such conditions??????

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), May 14, 2000.