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I was looking under the raising/training section and I was wondering. How can you tell when your monster reaches the second or third stage? I was just kinda wondering....Thanks in advance.
-- Zack (belgrath16@aol.com), December 05, 1999Answers
they reach their high in their drills around the middle of their lives. When they are about to die their points in the drills drop down to 1-3
-- tjmax (tjmax@tnweb.com), December 06, 1999.A monster has 3 stages. In order to tell when the monster has gotten to the next stage, you must look at the size of the monster when you feed it at the beginning of every month. You must make a mental measuring stick for your monster so you know when he got bigger.example: My evil hare is in stage 1. During this stage, I notice that when I feed him something at the beginning of the month, he jumps and barely touches the bottom of the money indicator box(The thing that tells you how much money you have) with his ears. After 1yr and 8m, he grows in size and his bunny ears touch the bottom of the money box without having to jump (This indicates that he's in stage 2 now.). After 3yrs and 3m, I noticed that his bunny ears are way over the top of the money box(now he's at stage 3. Also called the "Prime").
You can predict your monsters entire lifespan with ease if you use this method of a mental measuring stick. here's how:
STAGE 1 of monster's life(0yrs 0m -> #yrs $m): # and $ varies from monster to monster and depends on how you raise it. (Usually a Maximum of 2yrs with perfect raising.)
For the first (#yrs $m)/2, your monster will get 1-4(varies) points in a light drill. For the next (#yrs $m)/2 until stage 2, your monster will get 4-8(varies) points on light drills.
STAGE 2(#yrs $m)-> (#yrs $m)X 2:
For the first ((#yrs $m)X 2)/2, your monster will get 10-14(varies) points on a hard drill that your monster excels in. For the next ((#yrs $m)X 2)/2 until stage 3(prime), your monster will get 14-20 (varies) points on hard drills that it excels in.
STAGE 3-Also known as the "Prime." ((#yrs $m)X 2) -> ((#yrs $m)X 2)X 2) = ((#yrs $m)X 4):
For the first ((#yrs $m)X 4)/4, your monster will get 18-20(varies) points on a hard drill that it excels in. For the next ((#yrs $m)X 4)/4, your monster will get 10-15(varies) points on a hard drill that it excels in. For the next ((#yrs $m)X 4)/4, your monster will get 9-11(varies) points on a hard drill that it excels in. For the LAST ((#yrs $m)X 4)/4, your monster will get 4-7(varies) points on a hard drill that it excels in. It also gets 1-2(varies) on light drills.
EXAMPLE(with #=2 and $=0): Your monster will live 2 years in stage 1, where half of the time getting crappy results in drills while the other half, you do a little bit better on drills. Your monster will live an additional 2 years in stage 2 where half of that time, you'll get decent results on drills while the other half, you'll get pretty good results. Your monster will live an additional 4 years in stage 3 with one quarter of the time getting awesome results on drills, another quarter getting pretty good results, another quarter getting decent results and the last quarter getting bad results. All in all, your monster will live approximately 8 years without any peaches if he primed at 4 years old.
NOTE(Important): These lifespans can only be attained with near perfect raising which means: minimal battles at stage 1, minimal battles at last 2 quarters of stage 3, no stress, not too many errantries, never have your monster too tired, etc.( I did not test how battling affects stage 2 and the 1st 2 quarters of stage 3)
EVIDENCE: I have raised about 25 monsters total. I did not follow a proper raising style until after becoming a master breeder. Then, I trained 11 different S class monsters all in the same fashion. I never battle until I get up to S class(except Ima officials) to assure maximum benefits from battles, I make sure my monsters never have stress, I feed my monster a tablet after errantry whether they like it or not, etc. By doing this, I have seen this constant lifespan pattern in all monsters whether they have a short preset lifespan or not. However, my knowledge on the later parts of stage 3 is not as clear as stage 1 and 2 as I constantly battle in this time period.
Maybe I've over-answered your question?
-- RNA (RNA@Ribosome.nuc), December 06, 1999.Wow! What a great answer, RNA. It's great to hear from someone who's really tested the mechanics of this game.Just wondering, how long do your monsters live, now? Have you noticed any major differences in lifespan based on monster type?
-- Bill Mick (otterzero@hotmail.com), December 06, 1999.A simple example (before RNA writes another book =) is as follows: Centaur stage1: 0m- 6m stage2: 6m-1y6m stage3: 1y6m-on Jill stage1: 0m-1y6m stage2: 1y6m-3y8m stage3: 3y8m- onI think those are two of the extremes
-- Golden Boy (chrisbee@exploremaine.com), December 06, 1999.I would have to agree with the previous message, and the nagas tend to follow the same pattern as the centaur, I have a Ripper [Naga/Pixie] right now and he bagan attaining 3-7 after about 3-4 months old. I spend most of my time pushing them towards life training throughout their first year of life. This makes sure that you really don't have to worry about them dying to soon on you. I have had a monster die of natural causes at 2 yrs. I was raising him easy, but he had low life.My main comment in this case... keep your life high!!!!!
Dinoslice's Cyber Ranch its a new site but its mine ^_^
-- Dinoslice (sigpichong@hotmail.com), December 06, 1999.RNA: Your messages are both informative and inspirational, perhaps you should consider writing strategy guides. Keep up the good work.
-- dando (dando@dna.net), December 07, 1999.My monsters live on average 6 - 8 years. Yes, I have noticed huge differences in lifespans with regard to different breed types. My experiences with sirens(undine/joker) and dragons especially has dissapointed me with their inability to live long enough to be useful. My longest living monster was the phoenix at 8yrs 3m old even with excessive battling. The phoenix is an amazingly unbalanced creature with its unmatched stat gaining ability and overwhelming lifespan.Also note that the above formula for a monster's lifespan follows closely that of a 1st generation monster's lifespan as most of my monsters were 1st gens. I have noticed that my 2nd generation monsters deviate quite a bit from the expected lifespan. They tend to gain more lifespan in all stages which makes their's harder to predict. If your 2nd gen monster is the exact same(main and Sub breeds) monster as your previous, then expect its overall lifespan to increase 1 - 2 yrs. This appplies even if both parents had short preset lifespans.
Not quite a book this time, heh heh.
-- RNA (RNA@Ribosome.nuc), December 07, 1999.Excellent info, guys! Thanks.By the way, I have raised a lot o Dragons (25+) and there is a jump in lifespan with each generation. For example, a first gen Dragon may live three years (depending on sub type) and my 2nd generation dragons (mostly Durahan and Joker subs) will easily live five years. I have a third generation Armor Dragon in my freezer that is 7 and just dropping of his peak.
-- MamaNya (mamanya@hotmail.com), December 07, 1999.I am starting a Fresh centaur bloodline to get some harder facts on generational increases. I am starting with Blue Thunders and will combine them, etc. I am writing a breeding record to add the MRLibrary, so I can record Stats, attacks lifespans, etc. After the first several generations I will begin to add in other blood (tiger from Celious, Golem from Trojan, etc. and see wht effects there are. I do not plan to use peaches until I've established my baseline.This will also give me a chance to work on Attack mastery issues and training. I chose centaur because of the high turnover and the ability to cram more generations into the same time period. I hope I don't get too tired of them.
Wow two years in a failed attempt at a biotechnology degree aren't a total waste after all!
Sorry about the book comment RNA I was jus' fooli
-- Golden Boy (chrisbee@exploremaine.com), December 07, 1999.Thanks for all the responses everyone.
-- Zack (belgrath16@aol.com), December 07, 1999.Nice analysis Professor RNA. BTW, how long do you think my Wracky can live? He just entered Stage 2 at 3 yrs 10 mons, the longest childhood I've ever seen.
-- Dark Phoenix (Arax7@aol.com), December 07, 1999.Stage 2? Are you sure it's not stage 3? Sometimes monsters change size without you noticing. Once or twice, I've had a monster slip past a stage without me noticing right away (ie, mocchi, siren). I would find out that they've grown because of the sudden upsurge in training results. This happens usually with small little critters especially like your wracky.However, there is the possibility that your monster is actually in stage 2 and based from my experience, I'd have to say that he'll live up to 12 -16 years(without battling)! Quite unbelievable. I've heard that wrackies (and mocks) had huge lifespans, but that number doesn't seem right at all.
There are a few ways to tell if your monster really is in stage 2 or 3 instead:
1)How much does it gain in "hard" drills that train his best stat. If they give you about 20pts each time, you're probably in stage 3. If they give you a variable # from 15-20, you're probably in stage 2 (although some monsters may constantly get 20's in stage 2 if they're "really" good at that particular stat).
2)See if your monster changes its performance in training at the quarter point between 3yrs 10m and 7yrs 8m. So around 4yrs 10m. If it does worse in its drills, then its in stage 3(To test: use a drill that its not good at now and use it after 4yrs 10m).
Maybe I should raise a wracky. Just wondering, is your wracky purebred? Is it 1st gen? Did you use a gold peach already?
-- RNA (RNA@Ribosome.nuc), December 08, 1999.An update on my Wracky. He continued to grow stronger from the point I mentioned. He just entered stage 3 at , would you believe, 6 yrs. 2 mons. He's at 6 yrs. 4 mons. now and is getting 13 - 15 pts. on dodge drills. At the rate he's going, I think he'll probably live about 8 - 8 1/2 years or so, with the help of the peaches. I've been using him for battles a LOT more now so probably no double digit lifespan for him.
-- Dark Phoenix (Arax7@aol.com), December 08, 1999.I forgot to read to the last part of your question. He is a purebred Wracky, 1st gen, and I have used NO PEACHES thus far.
-- Dark Phoenix (Arax7@aol.com), December 08, 1999.Dark Phoenix, can you update the status of your wracky when he dies? I would like to know how different his lifespan is compared to other monsters I've tested out. Try to keep his stress at a minimum and don't battle too much if you can. It would help me alot in understanding a monster's lifespan. I'll probably raise a wracky after I finish my current monster.
-- RNA (RNA@Ribosome.nuc), December 09, 1999.Too late, RNA. I've entered him into a lot of battles since then but I have kept the stress level quite low. He is now retired at the age of 9 yrs. 3 mons.(both peaches). Easily the longest lived monster I've raised to date.
-- Dark Phoenix (Arax7@aol.com), December 10, 1999.Dark phoenix, what is your monster's battle status? ?W ?L ?KO.
-- RNA (RNA@Ribosome.nuc), December 10, 1999.I believe it is 138W 2L 98KO. M4 and Legend cup winner.
-- Dark Phoenix (Arax7@aol.com), December 11, 1999.I just finished raising my Wracky. It lived 10yrs 5m(both peaches). According to the formula used above, it should have lived 16years without any peaches. I didn't even battle that much(41W 0L 32KO)It has come to my conclusion that not all monsters follow the formula but some do come very close. This is the first monster out of my 13 S class monsters to ever deviate so far from it. The wracky has too long of a stage 1. However, stage 2 and 3 can be calculated from the above formula by setting (#yrs $m) in stage 1 = (#yrs $m)X2/2 from stage 2. That means, they get extra time in the beginning to get sucky results in stat gaining but that is no problem since it is the ideal time to train SKI.
I will eventually get to raise all the types of main breed monsters and will see lifespan patterns more clearly.
-- RNA (RNA@Ribosome.nuc), December 12, 1999.I would like to corroborate RNA's story with an experience of my own. I didn't make complete records of my 3rd creature's lifespan, but at this time I was using noone's raising techs, and testing out myself. However what I do remember are the stat improvements. I had already figure out that when a creature gets old, it gets "senile" therefore I was judging when I should just by how the stat improvements "felt".This being the case I was raising a Pixie/Kato (Kitten) and having a lot of fun with her because she was my first creature to hit a 20 improvement consistantly in any drill. Ironically while she was still in what I now know as her prime, she suddenly died without declining in ability at all. She was about 4 years old at this point, so I believe that there may be different stages associated with different breeds and influenced by their subbreeds.
I do however admit that I have no record of my raising her to back it up, but I swear that this happened and will stick to my testimony. Btw, about 2 creatures after I ran across RNA's method, and while I'm still working out the nuances, have found that his method is a very good method, and I have recently raised a 7 year old Dryad who beat the major 4 (if you can tell me when the Legend's cup is, I'd be appreciative, I don't want to waste too much more of her life unfrozen, as she's getting old)
-- Ray (pelchaer@eckerd.edu), March 21, 2000."different stages associated with different breeds"Do you mean there are a different "number" of stages or different "lengths" of stages? I know that there shouldn't be a different number of stages but different lengths of stages I know about. I have yet to see a monster with a really short stage 3.
Did you use drugs? Battle too much? Sometimes, when you are doing the freezing process, you lose track of your monster's lifespan and it seems as if it dies too early. Any ideas?
-- RNA (RNA@Ribosome.nuc), March 23, 2000.
-- The Man (djedmond@@pinenet.com), April 12, 2000