I clicked on my old TB2K bookmark instead of this one, and there is one thread there, giving directions to EZBOARD and here. There was also THIS reply from Y2KPRO,

"Yes, by all means, join the racists over at sleazyboard. Listen and learn as they pontificate about poison contrails, NWO, gay boy scouts and their hatred of anyone not like them (read everyone)

A cruel, self-involved forum for the extreme white-wing of American politics. Enjoy!

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), April 10, 2000."

A thread or two ago you were critical of EZBoard for their judgemental , closeminded and derogatory attitude, and now you post this?

Pot calling the Kettle,

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), April 11, 2000

Answers

Pro is trying to demagogue the other board, plain and simple to see. Sure there are loonies there, just like there are here. Most of them are not. Pro either has a chip on his shoulder, or he's too stupid to realize that his blanket statements only serve to confirm his wilful ignorance. People with common sense will enjoy dialogue with the moderates, regardless of which board they're on.

Some people on both sides of this issue, as there are mush-minds at EZ Board too, just can't seem to grasp this simple fact.

-- laughin (laughin@pro.com), April 11, 2000.

Or maybe Y2KPro simply has a sense of humor.

(But NO ... that couldn't be it! We might have to ... *gulp* ... LIKE him or something!)

-- Me (me@thisplace.net), April 11, 2000.

It's really buggin Y2K Probe that he has been unsuccessful in starting a flame war between the boards. He's tried everything to goad them into coming over here to retaliate. Instead, they are ignoring him and he can't stand it.

-- (carlton the@door.man), April 11, 2000.

A lot of the children here have been trying to start a flame war with e-z board.. looking at the posts on both boards..... :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), April 11, 2000.

It's ironic that Pro used the word "pathetic" in his attack on Dennis Olson. The pathetic thing is that he has to go over there to find subject matter, because he's probably fried his entire brain sniffing airplane glue and nail polish.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), April 11, 2000.

Hawk,

Speaking of fried brains from glue sniffing would you mind posting a thread here about your concerns about the alignment of the sun, moon, stars or whatever on May 5th and how this is going to affect us all. Maybe you could tie this alignment into your theory about the airplane crash.

Just simply a reflection of you bashing everyone who posts here while you hold onto some really whacked out ideas. Or an example of the pot calling the kettle black when judging rational competence Take it easy needle dick. Love ya!

-- Monkey Spanker (spankin@way.com), April 11, 2000.

Frank, Pro did not mention one person by name, nor call anyone a shit head, or Communist, or Klinton Sucker, or any other odious, derogatory names that were bandied around so generously on the old board. Every one of the ideologies, or groups he mentions, have been embraced and defended on EZBoard. And those who have neither embraced nor defended them, have by their silence, endorsed the majority.

Compared to what I was called by those on EZ board, "a moronic liberal piece-of-shit, an idiot, a willingly blind-deaf and dumb idiot, a stupid old bitch." or "you don't have the sense of a brass monkey, you have the hots for Klinton," to name a few. I don't see Pro making any personal attacks. He was simply stating the facts. I'm not saying all people on EZBoard are that way, but the fact that some that aren't, but continue to hang out there speaks volumes. They evidently feel more at home in that narrow atmosphere, censored atmosphere.

Although what he said may not be the mindset of the whole board, it is the mindset of the majority, and the majority believes it is fine to blast anyone that disagrees with their jackboots mentality, and thus you have a working masterpiece of censorship and total agreement. I got on the TB back in 98' so maybe some on here aren't familiar with their pre-Y2K venom.

I cannot understand anyone wanting to be on a censored board. That is enough to send me running, no matter how many moderates stay, for it means you are only allowed to think within the accepted box.

Seems to me you're making a personal judgement too people.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), April 11, 2000.

Frank, listen to Gilda for she knows of what she speaks. Y2K Pro had it right from the beginning and had to take a lot of abuse from the doomer lunatic fringe. Because he was right, THEY banned him from reminding THEM how terribly wrong they were, and still are. As long as the doomer zombies exist there will be people like Y2K Pro to counter their delusional fantasies.

-- Ra (tion@l.1), April 11, 2000.

My god, Gilda. I had no idea. I've been lurking for a year or so, and when I just couldn't stand the right-wing rhetoric any more, posting from time to time under various noms de plume -- handles like Grateful, imho, St. Peter, etc. And I don't read everything everyday, but when I came across your current post I was appalled to read that your kindness and compassion, your obvious patriotism, and your live-and-let-live viewpoint had been so trashed. Of all the posts I read from time to time yours shines forth with kindness, clarity, and humanity. Gilda, just remember this and don't let them get your goat---- there are a lot of ignorant folk out there who have figured out how to operate a computer.

Oh, and one other thing. No matter what anyone says - we should all be grateful for this uncensored board. It is still a breath of fresh air.

-- Pat (--@still.here), April 11, 2000.

Gilda, can you read? "...join the racists over at sleazyboard...their hatred of anyone not like them..." Tell me how Pro knows that everyone at EZboard is a racist and hates everyone who doesn't think like them. Pro is the LAST person that should be talking about anyone else hating someone unlike themself. Just another example of Pro's pathetic attempts to demonize a group by the actions of its minority. Makes me wonder if Pro doesn't have racist attitudes himself, looking at the way he so easily generalizes groups of people.

-- laughin (laughin@pro.com), April 11, 2000.

Is Pro short for Prophylactic?

-- medic (medic@pros.us), April 11, 2000.

Or maybe Y2KPro simply has a sense of humor

definitely not

-- richard (richard@onion.com), April 11, 2000.

richard,

How about another limerick or two? They're great!

-- afan (afan@likes.limericks), April 11, 2000.

Since richard is apparently occupied with more important things, here's my first ever attempt at limericking:

There once was a Troll named Y2K-Pro, Who constantly tried to provoke people so, There were few who adored him, Most people just ignored him, The rest just suggested he grow!

-- afan (afan@likes.limericks), April 11, 2000.

There once was a guy named Rich

Of Y2K Pro he would bitch

And bitch and bitch

And bitch and bitch

And bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch

Hey, at least it rhymes.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), April 11, 2000.

Hey hmm, do you need a Pro?

-- medic (medic@pros.rus), April 11, 2000.

Here's another try:

There once was a guy named Y2K-Pro

Who often tried to make a big show

But his gun was always loaded with blanks

To this, most people just said "no thanks"

So now he sits and contemplates his big toe

-- afan (afan@likes.limericks), April 11, 2000.

Gilda,

You're right, you shouldn't have been attacked personally, BUT I must say I thought "you have the hots for Klinton" was hilarious. It's sort of a grown-ups version of a first grade insult. Do you remember who posted it? Thanks in advance if you do. (and BTW I might try it out on my 6 year old the next time she's being bratty :-))

Still, reading Pro's post wouldn't exactly encourage me to come over here if I thought it was a typical example of what I'd find here.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), April 11, 2000.

What deviant loser would squawk,

When normal humans would talk.

So desperate to be heard,

Is this foul-feathered bird,

That he masquerades as a Hawk.

-- Sifting (through@the.rubble), April 11, 2000.

Through the rubble he'd sift
His brain obsessed and adrift
Sifting through rubble
His heart set on trouble
When out of the sky
A mighty, fierce cry
A fly-by bird flip
Well aimed wing dip

If turds were lead, Sifting would be dead
Now he's wearing Hawk shit on his head

-- (Nevermore@Poe.poo), April 11, 2000.

LOL nevermore. You have a talent to be envied, thanks for the laugh. BTW, why be anonymous?

-- Sifting (through@the.rubble), April 11, 2000.

Pat, thank you for your kind words. You must be a very nice person to see past all my flaws. And I agree we should all be grateful for this uncensored board, and I do believe everyone is. I sure am. One thing for sure, you can feel free to say what you please.

I can remember the first time I ever came onto the old TB forum. The first post I read, someone said, something to the effect that they really found it hard to like people who were liberal, or nonChristians, and a few other things and it really surprised me. Towards the end of 99, I spent very little time there. Too crazy, doom-filled and mean. I really disliked the way they treated "pollies."

Frank, I can't say for sure, but I think it was INVAR that accused me of "having the hots for Clinton." You're right, it does sound like a childish taunt, but that's the way INVAR was, except it certainly didn't have a childlike quality. He could say the most outrageous things and the SYSOPS never said a word. I called him Diane's pangolin.

Hilarious limericks you guys. Wish I were that good.

BTW, Pat, I hate to tell you this, but I'm rather a curmudgeon. And I don't think some people think I'm very kind. I have two very unpopular opinions: I despise road shrines, and I think Elian should be with his father. But I do try not to attack the person, even if I disagree with them.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), April 11, 2000.

Sifting and Nevermore,

ROFLMAO!! Not a single reference to genitalia, either. If only all our battles could be fought that way.

-- (heehee@hee.hee), April 11, 2000.

"Gilda, can you read? "...join the racists over at sleazyboard...their hatred of anyone not like them..." Tell me how Pro knows that everyone at EZboard is a racist and hates everyone who doesn't think like them."

Since Gilda didn't answer you laughing troll, I'll answer you as a lurking troll.

Pro knows that everyone is a racist and hates everyone who doesn't think like them because the sysops banned Pro, and everyone who posts on Ezboard agree with the sysops by not contradicting them about Pro. Only bigots censore their forum. Pro doesn't think like them, so Pro is banned. Does that clear up your confusion?

-- (lurkess@home.somewhere), April 11, 2000.

Lurkess:

You really are a simpleton aren't you? Did you ever consider that some people post over there because they enjoy discussions that have nothing to do with Pro? You obviously are limited in reasoning capabilities. But I'm sure your posting will put a smile on Pro's face. It should be encouraging to see that there are like-minded people with limited reasoning abilities who are fond of making blanket statements, as you so obviously seem to be.

Sorry son, tricks, and the simpleton approach to life of making generalizations about people, are for people who lack reasoning skills. Why don't you visit EZ Board more often? There are some folks who think in silos just like you and Pro? I'm sure you'll find you have a lot in common with them.

-- laughing (laughin@pro.com), April 11, 2000.

Lurkess:

One more thing Oroville. When it comes to contradicting the moderators at EZ Board about Pro, Pro can take that up with them himself. Do you really think that most people over there really give a crap about Pro's opinion more than they do anyone else's? Why should they care? With Flint or Decker, who actually try to say something in their posts instead of whine, that's another matter. And people did protest Flint's forced absence from the board.

But as for Pro, very few folks, if any, give a crap about what he has to say over there. So he can continue to whine about the 'evil racist' people over there. Nobody cares. But if it makes you feel better to continue making your naive generalizations, then feel free. And you and Pro can get together and have a Whine (not Wine) Fest.

-- laughing (laughin@pro.com), April 11, 2000.

Laughing, you said,

"And people did protest Flint's forced absence from the board. "

The point being, of course, he still can't post there regardless of what the people want.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), April 12, 2000.

As I believe Carlos pointed out, when you go to a poker game, the house rules govern the game. You don't expect to sit down and try to change the rules in another House, you learn to play the way the house has set up or find another House.

If you don't like the house rules, don't sit in at the game. If the house rules are nothing wild, don't think that, as it becomes your deal, you can declare wild cards. Don't work that way.

Joss

-- Joss Metadi (warhammer@Pride.of.Mandeyne), April 12, 2000.

Just to clarify what I meant when I said:

"Yes, by all means, join the racists over at sleazyboard. Listen and learn as they pontificate about poison contrails, NWO, gay boy scouts and their hatred of anyone not like them (read everyone else)

I do not believe all members of sleazy to be racist, homophobic, paranoid dipsticks. Clearly, the majority are not, however, the ones that are, are coddled and protected by the ones that are not. Is that not an equal abomination?

Vicious, cruel people like Olson, todberg and Red Dawn need to have their views challenged - an unlikely occurrence on a forum where extremism is embraced and moderates are banned from speaking.

For example, here is Holocaust denier Red Dawn expounding on his views of Jews:

"The jews are so quick to label everyone as an anti-semite who don't agree with their philosophy, that it does tend to anger many people. I am not anti anything. I am for everyone. However, I will not cowtow to the jews everytime they try to bilk the Swiss, Germans, or the US out of more billions.

You take the position that if someone's not wholeheartedly for jews, then that person must be wholheartedly against jews. Maybe thats the jewish mentality, I don't know.

I also think that modern day jews as well as the rest of the world have been duped by the Russian and British propaganda machines during the war as to the severity of the holocaust. Facts of which are finally coming to light.

Response to this post?

None.

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), April 12, 2000.

Laughing, (Yes I am)

"And people did protest Flint's forced absence from the board. "

Actions speak louder than words.In this case if everyone that was concerned over the censorship and bannings would have taken action by 1st of all raising more hell than a pet monkey and secondly by coming here,to a censorship free forum,they would deserve respect.

But few budged,the need to suck up to ed and remain with friend was obviously more important than a little thing such as freedom of speech,this from a group that will drape itself in Americanism(but only when convenient)and cry about our diminishing freedoms.

Where I come from this is called "having no backbone",and that just about sums it up.

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), April 12, 2000.

I don't think being silent implies approval, nor do I think it's indicative of a lack of backbone. In fact, sometimes I see SOME replies and wonder if grown folks have no RESTRAINT . I see internet conversations in the same way I see conversations with my kids as teens. If my kids brought a topic of interest to my table, I'd join in. If they simply wanted to rant about how I'd ruined their lives by not allowing them to go to a concert 50 miles away and spend the night unsupervised in a motel, I felt absolutely NO COMPULSION to honor the arguments presented with a response.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), April 12, 2000.

Couldn't have said it better.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), April 12, 2000.

I suspect that if anyone cares to trace the quote from Red Dawn they will find that (s)he is challenged, quite a bit actually. the basic suggestion is one Pro would recognize, that is (s)he has issues with respect to reality.

Joss

-- Joss Metadi (warhammer@Pride.of.Mandeyne), April 12, 2000.

Anita your post got on before mine. Capn' I was agreeing with you. If you stay silent about censorship, then you are endorsing it.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), April 12, 2000.

Joss:

It seems to me that we keep asking one question, and you answer a different question. There's a failure to communicate, somehow.

When the EZboard was first set up, the house rules were posted. Yourdon explained that anyone who broke the rules would be warned. If that person continued to break the rules, he'd be banned. Fine so far, and such a policy seems entirely reasonable on a closely moderated board.

Now, it turned out certain people were banned from posting there at all. They had never broken a single one of the posted house rules, and they had never received any warning. Many people pointed this out, and asked (understandably enough) what the "secret" House Rules might be. After all, if the moderators were quite willing and able to ban you, you might reasonably be concerned about accidentally breaking a secret rule that gets you banned without warning!

In response, Yourdon told those who were asking to shut up, he deleted the threads asking the question, and he removed the posted House Rules!

And here you are saying we should agree to follow the House Rules if we wish to participate in that house. Fine. Got any suggestions on how to go about doing this, when the most critical rule is a secret and nobody is even allowed to ask what it is?

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), April 12, 2000.

And the question is, once again, met with silence. Why am I not surprised?

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), April 13, 2000.

Flint:

You already know the answer. It is a procedure used with great success by Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili. The short form is; make the penalties severe but keep the rules secret. It has worked for his students over time. Now I am not suggesting that Ed is anything like JVD, but it is a proven method.

Best wishes,,,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), April 13, 2000.

One of the rules was that you couldn't participate if you were an asshole or a dickhead, sorry flint, you lose!

-- just (flint@asshole.dickhead), April 13, 2000.

Anita,

I'm having trouble making a paralell between teenagers and the adults at SLEZ,would you run your household by the description given above by Flint? Somehow I get the feeling you wouldn't.

And I would have to argue that silence IS approval,when you can look back at a situation and see that if a majority of the crowd had vocalized opposition the outcome would be different.I believe the civil rights movement to be a perfect example.

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), April 13, 2000.

just,

Then why is ed allowed on the board? or,or,or etc...

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), April 13, 2000.

There once was a guy called "hummmmmmmm" whose only vocabulary was that,

He hated Y2K Pro for being a bitch

And bitch and bitch

And bitch and bitch

And bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch

And wondered why it rhymed.... -- (hmm@hmm.hmm), April 11, 2000.

-- duhhhh (duhhh@duihhhhh.xcom), April 13, 2000.

Anyone here old enough to know what a "pro" used to refer to back in WWII days?

-- Question Man (qman@questions.rus), April 14, 2000.

Thanks,duhhhh, that was wonderfully incoherent.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), April 14, 2000.