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ELIAN AS CHRIST Posted By: Agent 777 Date: Saturday, 8 April 2000, at 5:09 a.m.
ELIAN AS CHRIST
PHOTO mentioned can be viewed at Free Republic site:
FROM FREE REPUBLIC:
Open up The Washington Post of Friday, April 7, 2000, and turn to the Style section. There you will see a picture of Elian Gonzales, hanging like Jesus Christ on a wooden cross. The headline reads:
THE PASSION OF ELIAN
Spirited Away From a Dictator's Land, a Child Surfaces Among Those Who See in Him Their Salvation
The article was written by Gene Weingarten, Washington Post Staff Writer.
If you want to see the picture of Elian hanging on the cross and go to the Post's website, you will be disappointed. The picture is not there, for some odd reason. You will have to buy a copy of the newspaper to see it.
That is inconvenient, so let me paint the picture for you. The Post shows Elian standing up straight, wearing black trunks. His chest, shoulders, arms, and head are bare.
Behind Elian is a wooden cross, the vertical beam directly behind his head, just as Jesus Christ's head is on a Crucifix.
Elian's arms are both stretched out across the horizontal beam of the cross, just as Jesus Christ's arms are on a Crucifix.
Just to finish the last detail, we see two huge steel bolts close to Elian's hands, mimicking the nails driven through the hands of Jesus Christ.
Look into the background and you see that the photograph has either captured or posed Elian standing at the top of a playground slide. The wooden cross is part of a brace that holds the slide in place ...
To see the article (without the picture of Elian on The Cross), go to:
SURFING THE APOCALYPSE http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/
>From the Rumor Mill News Forum
ELIAN -- THE MOST HIGH GOD Posted By: RAYELAN Date: Saturday, 8 April 2000, at 6:35 p.m.
In Response To: ELIAN AS CHRIST (Agent 777)
Several months ago, when Elian was first discovered by the "fisherman", he was surrounded by dolphins who kept him safe from sharks. He was protected overhead by the misty apparition of Angels.
Rumor Mill News Agents began to speculate on the meaning of the name Elian, and what significance this might have.
I recently found another definition of the name Elian -- this definition comes from Ungar's Bible Dictionary -- from Moody Press -- copyrighted in 1957 --My edition is the Thirty-third -- printed in 1981
"EL -- This is a name by which god is called in the Old Testament --
El, the God Elohim of Israel.
In prose it occurs more frequently with the modifier El Elyon (pronounced Elian) --"The Most High God"
>From Unger's Bible Dictionary.
Take a look at the things that have been printed about this little boy --
+ Miami Cubans see him as Moses
+ Elian was protected by dolphin who kept him alive
+ Elian's rescuer and biggest supporter is a FISHERMAN -- what were Jesus' disciples?
+ Visions of Mother Mary have appeared on bank windows and on mirrors in Elian's house
+ Angels have been seen over him
+ And now this photo of him being crucified
What is all of this leading up to?
Could it be another Bay of Pigs? This time with Castro being over thrown and Elian leading his people to freedom?
The Cuban propaganda newspaper -- whose name I have forgotten -- already has labeled Elian as seriously disturbed -- I read this as a code meaning that Elian will have to undergo serious reprogramming AND re-education once he is returned to Cuba --
Does anyone have any idea what this means?
Maybe some of our Agents who have lived in Communist Countries will be so kind as to tell the rest of our readers what "re-education" entails. Is there anyone out there who survived a Viet Namese Re-education camp? If so -- please write and tell us what it was like.
And what will happen to Elian if he is deemed "un-re-educatable"?
-- He will simply disappear into oblivion --
The official answer will be that the trauma of living in Miami was too much and the dear little boy went crazy.
If Janet Reno thinks Elian should go to Cuba -- then she should go first and live there -- as he would -- she will have to stay for a year or two -- then, and only then will she be capable of deciding if this six year old should live under a dictator who has no compunction about killing children
-- several years ago, a raft of fleeing Cubans was intercepted by Castro forces --
The people --- children included -- were not simply turned back to Cuba and arrested or disciplined. Their raft was sunk -- and they were allowed to drown --
If Castro's men had intercepted Elian's boat-
- Elian would be DEAD!
Fidel Castro does not love this little boy -- he is merely using him for some hidden agenda that has yet to be revealed.
I belive Elian WAS saved for a reason -- And I hope God will intervene, in His own time, and save this little boy --
But I fear that the ONLY thing that will save Elian from the Castro-Reno Cabal, is a Cuban revolution that overthrows Castro and restores democracy. Hopefully Elian will not have to be crucified before he can lead his people to freedom.
Does anyone know where we can find someone to lead this Revolution? Or at least become the symbol for it? Where is a Savior when we need one? Could he be playing in the backyard of his great uncle's little Havana home?
-- Agent777 (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 08, 2000
Clinton and Elian
Why is Bill Clinton so reluctant to decide the fate of Elian Gonzalez?
Because last time he made a decision about where to put a Cuban he was almost impeached.
-- The Joker (email@example.com), April 08, 2000.
Maybe he's the anti-christ.
-- cin (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 08, 2000.
I feel sorry for the poor little boy, he is a pawn of a huge political monster.
But, he is that, a pawn. The questions and moral dilema I have is; is the life of one 6 year old worth starting a war or revolution over? Is this what the cubans want now, a revolution? Are many of them ready to die? Is Elian the catalyst needed to start their revolution (and one here too to a lesser extent)?
I have no problem imagining why Clinton's administration is so reluctant in deciding Elian's fate.
-- Chris (!@#$@pond.com), April 08, 2000.
Better summarized as: "...and a small child shall lead them..."
-- HUH? (PollyTicks&@Religion.com), April 09, 2000.
-- (email@example.com), April 09, 2000.
Good one cin! :) Seriously, did anyone notice him playing with that toy gun in the yard the other day? No one seems to have said a word about it. Is that worthy of a halo too?
-- Gia (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 09, 2000.
Actually... Clinton was impeached. Still, it's funny.
-- Dancr (email@example.com), April 09, 2000.
Gia: Yeah, I laughed when Elian showed up with a gun - and later two guns. The so-called "Family" had just ranted that Cuban boys trained with toy guns at age 7. And here's Elian at barely six shooting at the photographers.
BTW, did you see the articles detailing the assorted DUIs and felony convictions accumulated by the "Family?"
-- (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 09, 2000.
Re Elian's Miami "Family":
See the lead article in the 4/8 issue of Salon - "All in Elian's Family" - www.salon.com
-- (email@example.com), April 09, 2000.
I wonder what skullduggery or revelations of same that Klintoon and his media friends are busy covering up via this current blitz about Elian? Perhaps the reality that Communist China is taking over the Panama Canal? Or is it something even worse?
-- Observer (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 09, 2000.
But I REALLY thought that President's ALWAYS tell the truth! Gee, my teachers must'a somehow told me a whopper.
-- PollyTicks (AndOtherAssorted@Animals.com), April 09, 2000.
If that were my kid, I'd be having fits. If they let the kid stay here, they have opened a can of worms that will never end.
Elian as Christ. What rot!!! I've got an old cat that's is the new pope too. Send him Meow Mix today, and he'll take care of your sins.
-- gilda (email@example.com), April 09, 2000.
God to Agent777: Get off My back, you silly twit.
Do you have any idea how many 6-year old humanoids there are in your Me-forsaken galaxy you call the Milky Way? 400 trillion, according to My last census.
Or how many Elians there are in that dismal assemblage of galaxies you call The Universe? 50 billion times 400 trillion, which is... well, it's a very big number.
Agent777, I am way too busy creating new universes. I can't get involved in every little problem on a minor planet in a Me-forsaken galaxy in a dinky little universe among a gazillion universes.
My Eternal Love,
-- (God@Heaven.com), April 09, 2000.
Update on the Fed's decision on Elian's fate:
Having satisfied herself that Juan Miguel Gonzalez is speaking his true heart, Janet Reno is steeling herself to go the hard yard. After meeting with Elian Gonzalez's father Friday, Reno announced that the boy's Miami relatives have been instructed to surrender him this week so that custody can be restored to his father. "According to Justice insiders, Reno wanted to meet Gonzalez to make her own judgment about the motivations behind his request to reclaim his son," says TIME Washington correspondent Elaine Shannon.
Now comes the harder part extracting the boy from a home containing reluctant relatives and surrounded by protestors. The problem facing Reno is that although the Miami relatives who currently have Elian have indicated that they would comply with the law, they have shown no indication that they intend to cooperate in easing the boy's transition back into his father's care. On "Meet the Press" Sunday, Greg Craig, Juan Miguel Gonzalez's lawyer, questioned whether the relatives would allow a peaceful transfer. But Gonzalez senior is trying to smooth the way: To satisfy concerns about his suitability as a parent, he is meeting Sunday with mental health experts to discuss taking custody of Elian, and has indicated that he would stay in the U.S. during an appeal of the case.
Although the Clinton administration has studiously avoided confrontations with the Miami family and their supporters during this case, the arrival of Gonzalez in Washington Thursday has changed the situation. Now Reno is confronted with a legally straightforward situation in which the father of a six-year-old boy has come to the U.S. and demanded the custody to which the law has recognized he is entitled. Reno insisted that she plans to implement the law, and invited the Miami relatives to meet with a panel of psychologists to discuss how rather than whether the transfer could be undertaken in a way that minimizes Elian's trauma.
But if the Miami relatives choose not to cooperate, the Attorney General appears to be ready for a fight. "Reno has made clear that she intends to take every possible step to ensure that Elian is reunited with his father in a fair, prompt and orderly manner," says Shannon. "But with everything that's been said so far, that may still mean that some measure of force will have to be used, because somebody will have to go and take the child out of the Miami house. Her main concern will be to minimize the trauma that will involve for Elian." But the government's decision, based on the law, appears no longer to be up for discussion.
-- Chris (!@#$@pond.com), April 09, 2000.
Actually, for anyone familiar with Greek mythology, Elian is a better fit for Dionysios than for Christ.
But, in my mind the real question must be: is there any frippery so idiotic that it can't find some fool to say it out loud in public, just to call attention to himself?
-- Brian Mclaughlin (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 10, 2000.
"I can't get involved in every little problem on a minor planet in a Me-forsaken galaxy in a dinky little universe among a gazillion universes."
The real God says in Hebrews 13.5
...I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
-- Ain't Gonna Happen (Not Here Not@ever.com), April 10, 2000.
Elian belongs with his father who loves him. He knows exactly what Cuba is like, and he is the only one who should decide if they should return to Cuba. I, truly feel that all the press and demonstrations are not good for Elian, and that his Florida relatives won't be happy until they start a war with Cuba.
-- r. (email@example.com), April 10, 2000.
I really think the Cuban relatives have done everything in their power to entertain, spoil, influence, and buy this child's loyalty. Little children are easily influenced by stuff, and fun and non-stop attention. He's probably done more, and had more in his few months in the U. S. than many children that live here will ever have.
And I think this is tragic. He should be with his father. But when he gets back to Cuba, if it turns out that he returns to a normal family life, I'm sure he will be unhappy after all the attention, hoopla, toys, pets and utter adoration that he has had here.
What a mare's nest.
-- gilda (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 10, 2000.