Congratulations to all: We appear to have made it through the Y2k Risk Window, which--as I understand it--ends tomorrow, April 1, 2000.

Judging from the decreased responses lately on various formerly active Y2k forums, I suspect there are many who have filed away this date, at least subliminally.

Perhaps you do not consciously remember that various U.S. government entities, etc., publicly referred to Y2k Risk Window as beginning in September of 1999 and continuing through March of 2000.

Perhaps this is because--for the past three months--you feel as though you have been living in the Twilight Zone. (No--forget that--we all remember what happened to Vic Morrow during the remake of same. Better analogy--remember the Outer Limits? In short, Do not adjust your set...etc.?)

The point is: based upon what we were all told, by government entities, etc., Its now officially over. Tomorrow is April 1st.

Accordingly, I finally feel more comfortable explaining my pre-rollover position with regard to Y2k. It is entirely possible that the volume of hate mail Ive received--from radicals on both sides of the Y2k issue--may now diminish or be eliminated entirely. That is a good thing.

Perhaps there is no better way to begin to explain my pre-rollover position than to offer you the content of my Summer 1999 presentation to my own Neighborhood Watch Group. (Note to those who have expressed an interest in the book: the following will appear in the revised edition of Chapter One.)

Here tis: ___________________________________

My Y2k Presentation as a Neighborhood Watch Block Captain: Summer, 1999:

P, (Our Neighborhood Watch Association President) is handing out two documents that I think are the most relevant to what we need to know about how to prepare for potential disruptions in our local infrastructure as a result of Y2k.

Its very difficult for me to stand before you and give a presentation on this, for two reasons:

First I dont want to be known as the Y2k Kook in the neighborhood, wearing a tinfoil hat and waiting for nuclear bombs to drop.

Second, I was a public figure for sixteen years of my life. NBC CBS, ABC affiliates across the country

I quit in part because I wanted a private life. Ive succeeded in obtaining a private life.

So while talking about this publicly is difficult, as a former reporter, I feel a moral obligation to share with you the most important things I know about Y2k and how it may affect all of us who live in this neighborhood.

I wont share everything I know, because what I know is more than any of us--including me--would EVER want to know. Frankly, I wish Id never heard about the millennium bug.

Two documents that have been handed out to you are from the American Red Cross and our State Police.

Ive spoken with officials from both agencies.

In addition, earlier this month, I was able to speak directly with the Chairman of President Clintons Council on Year 2000 Conversion, a man named John Koskinen. As those of you in local government may know, the Clinton administration has begun something called The Community Conversations initiative, which is designed to allow all of us to learn about the potential Y2k infrastructure risks where we live.

There is also grant money available to those who wish to host these conversations, and if those of you in local government would like to know more about that, you can contact me and Ill share what I know.

Ive researched extensively the testimony presented at hearings of the United States Senate Special Committee on the Y2k Technology Problem, which is co-chaired by Senators Robert Bennett and Christopher Dodd.

On a State Level Ive spoken twice with a senator who has some oversight responsibilities for utilities in our state.

At the local level, Ive spoken with the Y2k point person for our city.

Ive also spoken with engineers at our water utility.

Having said all of that, my primary concern about Y2k is what may happen to our infrastructure and how that may affect us in our neighborhood.

Specifically, when I say infrastructure I am speaking of electricity, safe drinking water, and natural gas, etc., to heat our homes.

The possibility that we could lose these services during the winter months concerns me.

On to what Ive learned:

Ive learned that both the state senator I spoke with--along with the spokesperson for our city--endorse those American Red Cross guidelines which have been handed out to you.

But --according to our citys spokesperson --and others concerned with national preparedness for potential problems--IF you decide to prepare according to those guidelines, you need prepare BEFORE September. Thats because the window of infrastructure failures is generally considered to be from September of this year (1999), to April of next year (2000).

What could happen? I dont know.

The senator I spoke with believes the major utility in our area will be ready. His concern is what happens if another part of the power grid fails. Why?

Electricity generation and transmission in this country is like a giant spider web. The utilities are divided up into regions, and they constantly trade electricity to meet demands, because the electricity they generate cannot be stored.

So, if for example, electricity in Chicago goes down next winter, and elderly people there are facing the prospect of losing power, what moral obligation does our utility have to provide power to Chicago, and what does that do to us?

The same dilemma may apply if there are problems at utilities serving remote areas of our state.

The answer for us as a neighborhood, may be that we all should be prepared to camp out in our own houses for a few days in the middle of winter.

If you have a fireplace, that means acquiring your wood supplies before September

If you dont have a fireplace, but rely on electronic ignition of your furnace, that may mean that you need to acquire an alternative source of heat, like a kerosene stove, or prepare to go to a place where you can be warm, as well as develop a plan to keep your pipes from freezing while youre gone. As I understand it--in the winter-- it takes about 8 hours without heat for your house to become a big unheated tent.

Thats what I know on the state level about electricity. On to water:

With regard to our portion of our state, at the top of the list of concerns from our state senators office is water. Our drinking water is sourced from (name of large city), which I have been told can go manual in the event of Y2K computer problems.

Our senators concern is: how long would it take to go manual, and how much water would they be able to pump? Considering that this major metropolitan utility serves over 100 communities, as far as 60 miles away, that might be a concern.

Again, I refer back to the Red Cross guidelines with regard to storing water.

According to documents published by our State Police, the biggest fear (name of large city) has, is a loss of electricity, because there are no generators large enough to accommodate them.

Since this is a gray area, storing water may be important. Its easy to do. If you routinely buy soda, start purchasing it in 2 litre bottles and use those for water storage. If you have a freezer, store them in that and you will lower your electricity bill in the process. I know nothing about our local water and sewerage utilitys pumping process which delivers clean drinking water from (name of large city), to our community, and to what degree it relies on computers, etc. Its an area I havent explored. I assume our local government leaders are in a position to investigate this.

When it comes to natural gas, we may be more fortunate than other parts of the country, because our state produces a lot of natural gas, and our major natural gas supplier says it is stockpiling. More information can again be found at our State Police Web site.

With regard to potential sewage backups in our basements as a result of computer failures:

Our local utility handles our waste disposal, and as I understand it, were in pretty good shape in this neighborhood. Theres a pump station over by the river.

I was told that if there was a computer failure what would happen is that our local utility would release effluent into the river, but it would be no more than the equivalent of a teacup in a swimming pool.

To conclude,

Id like to leave you here today with a thought or two to consider:

As a former reporter, Ive covered many disasters.

Floods,

Tornadoes,

Natural gas explosions,

Train derailments that have cause toxic chemical spills, etc. ,

Over the years Ive learned--that emergency preparedness is sagacious. Period.

That doesnt mean that Im prepared yet, but Ive started, and I will be prepared--to the best of my finances and ability--before September. I urge you to consider this: no matter what Y2k brings--even if it brings nothing at all--if your household is prepared, then it does three things:

1) It helps prepare our neighborhood for emergency situations, regardless of when or how they might occur.

2) By being prepared--in the event of a worst case scenario--we can stay in our own homes this winter rather than facing the prospect of going to a shelter.

3) I know that if you are prepared, you wont be knocking on MY door! You wouldnt dare! Because YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

God bless all of you.

(Note: Unanimous applause and well-meant laughter from all of those in attendance at this potential public hanging, i.e. MINE, followed point number three. I was most grateful for same. I soon dodged home to wipe my brow. )

______________________________________

Well, that's what I did, and that's it for the time being.

Y'all know where to reach me.

:)

:)

-- FM (vidprof@aol.com), April 01, 2000

Answers

STILL BRAINWASHED and like Yourdon trying to get out of the box both made for themselves.

"............Accordingly, I finally feel more comfortable explaining my pre-rollover position with regard to Y2k. It is entirely possible that the volume of hate mail Ive received--from radicals on both sides of the Y2k issue--may now diminish or be eliminated entirely. That is a good thing. "

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), April 01, 2000.

"I wont share everything I know, because what I know is more than any of us--including me--would EVER want to know"

What exactly did you know then that you didn't want to know, but did know, but you couldn't share because no one would ever want to know? Did the 6 people who were listening to you break out in guffaws? Did you also practice this clear form of communication as a reporter?

-- Jim Cooke (JJCooke@yahoo.com), April 01, 2000.

MM:

First I dont want to be known as the Y2k Kook in the neighborhood, wearing a tinfoil hat and waiting for nuclear bombs to drop.

OK, you failed on that one. What puzzles me is why you would care what people on this forum think. We will soon be forgotten.

Best wishes,,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), April 01, 2000.

JJC

We can't enter any dialog with such Holy Ones. We are not worthy.

Actually, that "worthiness" is not in the "Dana Carvey Wayne's World" sense but simply that "we" don't have the tools to penetrate the defense mechanisms some people still surround themselves with.

I sort of backed off MM/FM for several months because I viewed her "tome" as a form of Catharsis she needed for other problems she posted online.

Normally, continued stupidity irritates me greatly but in her case, I thought there might be some "extenuating circumstances". That was input error. Instead we are subjected to DENIAL of the END OF Y2k as a business problem and "Rationalization" for her (and many others) "call for preparedness" beyond the norm.

This above is beyond such a "cleansing". Rather, it is a defense of actions which were UNCALLED FOR based on a misreading of facts, a filtering of information and a brainwashing thanks to repeated Propaganda.

That makes it totally unacceptable now on April 2nd 2000 when everyone seems to have forgotten that the First Quarter financials ended for every last Corp. on a calendar basis. That in turn, means that for the Big Corps. with the Main Frame Programs, the ULTIMATE IN IV & V has now taken place. Since SEC likes "timely reporting" the usual flood of first quarter statements will begin and the schedules start appearing in the WSJ and NY Times under "this weeks quarterly reports". WHERE are the Corys, Cores and Yourdons now?

Instead, as usual, EY, has the temerity to suggest that "embedded systems" will continue to go astray (see TB III his new online joint for that tortured reasoning).

It shows clearly that there are still those who "believe" and refuse in their total arrogance to believe THEY,.... of all people could have made any errors in judgement.

After all, HOW could it be that THEY, the talented in possession of gobs more info than 99% of the humans could have erred? In a way, its sort of like watching a Medical Doctor who decides to "invest" in some esoteric business way outside of his training and as usually happens, a few hundred K of Dollars go bye bye. At every cocktail party before the investment, all his friends in other businesses tell him "good luck Welby but you're going to lose your shirt." Afterwards, Welby has 100 reasons why he made a good investment but "all those outside things screwed it up".

Its like dealing with the last of the owners of the five slot PCs, Apple II Forevers, Commodore 64s or Trash 80s. The cry is "Hey, they still work, they do what I need and thats that."

Their great "trick" for the Y2k was worthy of a 3 Card Monte Player in Times Square pre-Rudy.

I posted openly that of all the players in Y2k the Bravest of all was Troll Maria who got abused and insulted in a manner that FM/MM/Vidprof would never take without a year's vacation to recover. And Maria didn't wade into the easy areas but rather went right to the core arguments especially when the ignorant were discussing her field "The Phones". To read the following link puts the LIE to MM's nonsense about hate mail.

Maria knew ......GOING IN......that she was going to get blasted and she still posted that her opponents were "assholes" or "ignorant". Thats why Troll Maria was *MY* Hero. She literally spoke for many of us by calling out the Jerks who promulgated this Y2k cultism and who now deny and dismiss it with "its over, let it go". http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0018kU PHONES will work ??? MARIA knows 'first hand' that phones will work . Really ? . . . Then why are AT&T, Sprint, the State Dept., and the CIA so worried then ?

READING THAT THREAD NOW..........shows how totally INTOLERANT and ignorant the voices that attacked Maria were summarized by the Fence Sitter:

Maria is reporting her hands-on experience. Since it's positive, she is attacked mercilessly, and without cause. If her experience were negative, she'd report that just as honestly, and she'd be put on a pedastal as a paragon of virtue by these same hyenas. Who *still* wouldn't know squat about the subject.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), July 26, 1999.

If there had been more "Marias" directly puncturing the Hot Air Balloons that were floated by the Yourdons, Norths, Hyatts and lesser lights, Y2k would have been delegated to the niche it was: a SERIOUS BUSINESS PROBLEM THAT WAS BEING WORKED ON.

Instead we got the Mad Max Movies via: TB2000, GN.conJob and Hyattski's censored forum. From those Halls of Mirrors it is little wonder that Poor Marianne could not filter out the garbage. And we know she was not alone.

By demanding ALL others debate on their terms and by their methods, they were able to eliminate all those who disagreed with them. This is nothing new and comes down linearly from the Jesuits. It takes the form "grant me my premises and we will debate that".

By simply dismissing the arguments of the technical people who actually worked on Y2k and advancing the cause of "Stake Holders" then demanding what Business and even Gov. will never do, "full disclosure of internal work and methods" and adding to that insatiable demands to prove Negatives all the while expending vast sums of money for "testing" (while none of them were willing to accept any of the reports of companies that did have IV&V); they were able to vanquish to "Deletesville" any who had alternative views.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), April 01, 2000.

Jim:

"I wont share everything I know, because what I know is more than any of us--including me--would EVER want to know" What exactly did you know then that you didn't want to know, but did know, but you couldn't share because no one would ever want to know? Did the 6 people who were listening to you break out in guffaws? Did you also practice this clear form of communication as a reporter?

Subset Did you also practice this clear form of communication as a reporter? Jim, have you watched the broadcast news lately. If you did, why did you ask that question?

H*LL, I know a lot of things that you don't want to know. None of them have anything to do with Y2K. But don't ask me. I won't tell.

Best wishes,,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), April 01, 2000.

Thanks FM/MM

-- Johnny (Not@anymore.net), April 01, 2000.

Same type of argument disguised as "reasonable". Fact, he didn't have any more or less facts than those who were not doomers. Poster Number 2 answers this nonsense in a simple way. Those who "looked at the facts" and saw the global breakdowns and collapses and "threats to society" and the rest were dealing in FANTASY LAND.

as in:

".......In anycase the original idea that such an large scale disaster would happen was so preposterous as to make any facts for or against it seem silly............"

xxxxxxxxxx........ And that is the "whole point". By choosing the weird TEOTW from a computer date problem, and extrapolating every last shread of verbiage, them made themselves ridiculous. Now, they defend their denial as follows:

xxxxxxxxxxxx

PooPoo Platter of Rationalizations:

"............I think my frustration concerns the pollies. They were right, without having any more facts than the rest of us, yet, they gambled their familes lives on "credible" and "authorative" sources. Will they be right the next time these "sources" tell them something? Will they gamble every time? I refuse to gamble on someone elses "say so". If I'm am wrong, as I was, I know I did my level best as a husband, dad, grandfather, son, and brother. "

http://www.remarq.com/read/sftwry2k/qAMjdqvAQjDAC_aoI#LR

Info Junkie Message 1 of 2 BAck to lurker mode

It's now April 1st, and as promised, I'll concede I was wrong about the impact of date-related failures. I believe we had failures, and many were not reported. I have no proof of this, only conjecture on my part. Although I never expected TEOTWAWKI, I was wrong on the impact of dependencies of systems within our society and businesses.

I think my frustration concerns the pollies. They were right, without having any more facts than the rest of us, yet, they gambled their familes lives on "credible" and "authorative" sources. Will they be right the next time these "sources" tell them something? Will they gamble every time? I refuse to gamble on someone elses "say so". If I'm am wrong, as I was, I know I did my level best as a husband, dad, grandfather, son, and brother.

Although wrong concerning date-related problems, the last 3 years opened my eyes how dependant on technology we are becoming, and less dependant on each other. It appears we are isolating ourselves from each other, and forgetting that technology is a "tool" to be used in benefitting ourselves. Those that decide the how this technology is used, i.e., email, encryption, e-commerce, e-money, will control this tool to their benefit, not yours. Those that make these decisions will be "credilble" and "authorative" sources. (I rarely read North, but found this one article relevant. http://www.garynorth.com/y2k/detail_.cfm/6311, posted by Canadian Y2k in Sept. 1999) As orginally stated in this post, I was wrong in my conjecture concerning date-related problems and their potential dependencies. Congratulations pollies, I hope you are correct in all of your future assumptions that are dependant on "credible" and "authorative" sources. Back to lurk mode.... -- How do know where you're going if you don't know where you've been? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Reply to this message

Apr 01, 09:32 AM Flak (in response to Info Junkie) Message 2 of 2 Re: BAck to lurker mode Info Junkie wrote:

I think my frustration concerns the pollies. They were right, without having any more facts than the rest of us, yet, they gambled their familes lives on "credible" and "authorative" sources.

I think it is interesting that both sides of this argument tried to demote the other's "sources".

In anycase the original idea that such an large scale disaster would happen was so preposterous as to make any facts for or against it seem silly. But do you really think the pollies were right and you and the doomers were wrong? I mean does that really apply here? Let me put it like this: I predict that a giant asteroid will NOT destroy the earth by the time you finish reading this sentence. YEAH! I was 'right'!

Well that's obviously ridiculous. Sure it's possible that that event might have happened, but it was so far on the outer realm of reality as to be practically impossible. Does this mean I was right? Can I claim victory here? Can the doomers still claim that it is such a bad and horrible thing to be so dependent on this technological terror of a society we have created? Will they be right the next time these "sources" tell them something? Will they gamble every time? I refuse to gamble on someone elses "say so". If I'm am wrong, as I was, I know I did my level best as a husband, dad, grandfather, son, and brother.

Although wrong concerning date-related problems, the last 3 years opened my eyes how dependant on technology we are becoming, and less dependant on each other. It appears we are isolating ourselves from each other, and forgetting that technology is a "tool" to be used in benefitting ourselves. Those that decide the how this technology is used, i.e., email, encryption, e-commerce, e-money, will control this tool to their benefit, not yours. Those that make these decisions will be "credilble" and "authorative" sources. (I rarely read North, but found this one article relevant.

http://www.garynorth.com/y2k/detail_.cfm/6311, posted by Canadian Y2k in Sept. 1999)

I don't want to get to philosophical here. I'll just say this. I believe that by definition, when a group decides to form a 'society', the first implication is that they are dependent on each other and on the tools they use to keep their society going. Humans decided to form societies long before email.

As orginally stated in this post, I was wrong in my conjecture concerning date-related problems and their potential dependencies. Congratulations pollies, I hope you are correct in all of your future assumptions that are dependant on "credible" and "authorative" sources. If the pollies find themselves arguing again against such extreme and fantastic potential events, you can rest assured that their sources will be as "credible" and "authorative" as yours. Flak http://www.remarq.com/read/sftwry2k/qAMjdqvAQjDAC_aoI#LR

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), April 01, 2000.

CPR:

I have been following this site since BD [before Diane} with great interest. I have never made any statements of great doom or great success [although some did using my silly AOL assigned name] . Why? I know nothing about the details of complex systems [to do so would have been irresponsible]. Flint and I have had this discussion. To me the major problem was loss of electricity. I contacted my supplier in early 1999. They were very helpful. I talked to their engineers. They were helpful. They gave me numbers of control devices so that I could check them out. They checked-out. Based on the information that I accumulated, I was convinced that everything would work where I live. I made the assumption that the people in the rest of the country were as competent. I was correct. For my own measly collection of computers; Mac, Win and Unix. I read the reports and decided to do nothing. Right again. What luck.

Now if you want to talk about genetic modification, I can give you pages. Well not really, my time is limited. But I am sure that Flint will.

Best

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), April 01, 2000.

Z:

You've hit upon the real core of Y2K - utilities. As long as we had power, gas, and water, everything else could be fixed. I think that's where the real doomers went wrong. Our utility told everyone who would listen that power was going to be on on January 1st and that natural gas would be flowing. Most people in our service area believed us since there were no runs on stores or banks. A few people continued to stoke the fires of disaster, though, and one was Diane Squires. Every time she posted anything about what PG&E said regarding readiness, it was with a smirk, grin, or *sigh*. I had no idea why we always had a few people at out informational meetings who were intent on hooting us down until I read some of her messages after the rollover.

-- Jim Cooke (JJCooke@yahoo.com), April 01, 2000.

JJ and Z

I think I have discovered the root cause of the rejection of any and all positive reports with cynical remarks and Yourdon's typical sneer. (He is still at it trying to whip Cherri with his male chavenistic piggie routine yesterday).

http://www.coolboard.com/msgshow.cfm/msgboard=357597981081895&msg=5519 74910920762&page=1&idDispSub=827429801892357

Both Yourdon and Diane suffer from "NYC WANNA-BEE CYNICS SYNDROME" which afflicts "Hicks". (Note: farmers and rural people are not necessarily "hicks". One can be a "hick" even on the Lower East Side or the Bronx and its *VERY* well known that most of Queens is filled with genetic "hicks". )

This is a perversion of the typical NYC CYNICAL ATTITUDE TOWARDS **ANYTHING**. There is a variant strain that showed up in Missouri in the 1800s and while there is no academic work on this, it is for sure they are all directly related to the NYC root (sort of a Missouri branch). I am a more representative sample of the "Original Species" since I was born there at a time when NYC had *3* major league hard ball team. "Survivalists" know nothing compared to what I learned as a Yankee fan living in Bay Ridge before the Dodgers deserted Brooklyn.

Yourdon and Diane are essentially out of town "soft ball players" trying SO HARD to be "Cynical" they end up coming across as the Hicks they are.

The evidence is overwhelming for the one trait that sticks out at all times is the continued rejection of any viewpoint which does not agree with the Official Hick Thinking and usually without FACT.

The results of Y2k since early 1999 show both *sigh* and Toast-Ed to be de-facto Hicks.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), April 02, 2000.

"Poor Marianne could not filter out the garbage. And we know she was not alone."

LOL! Too bad you didn't offer your views to FEMA and the Senate, cpr. Think of the tax dollars you could have saved us. Of COURSE they would have looked at you as an EXPERT!

HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

-- you're (a@pompous.ass), April 02, 2000.

Z1X4Y7,

I have been lurking here, and the other forumns for a LONG time, and I have been patiently waiting for someone to explain what happened to computers.

You said you have Mac, Win and Unix, and you read the reports and decided to do nothing.

Would you be so kind to tell me what versions you are running, and if you had ANY problems after the rollover?

Thank you very much in advance,

Mark Nelson

-- Mark Nelson (Mark_Nelson@can't.say), April 02, 2000.

"Poor Marianne could not filter out the garbage. And we know she was not alone." LOL! Too bad you didn't offer your views to FEMA and the Senate, cpr. Think of the tax dollars you could have saved us. Of COURSE they would have looked at you as an EXPERT!

HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

-- you're (a@pompous.ass), April 02, 2000.

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HEY "You're".......

GET A CLUE.

The views I had prior to Y2k were not a "solo act". Nobody argues that remediation of computers and even embedded systems was not needed.

THAT......is a typical "straw man" of the sore losers and those still in denial that Y2k as a business / computer problem is ended.

Given that the ability to testify before the Congress can be correlated to one's ability to breathe and chew gum at the same time, I don't regret I didn't even try to send in a statement when Cong. Horn-blower (R-Missing after Fall,1999) showed up here in DFW.

In reality, my views and those of MOST NON-DOOMERS ........ were a condensing of those of Peter de Jager, Alan Simpson, Hoff, Dirt Road, and many more including Cherri Stewart.

In case you hadn't noticed, de Jager and Simpson both had significant input to both Congress and the Senate. That resulted in the "3 Day Storm" that all people who chanted "delete" and "prepare" chose to ignore.

The secret to making some progress in life is to LISTEN TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE which is exactly what 99.99% of the Globe's population did by not listening to the CRAP/propaganda that a bunch of extremists like North, Hyatt and Yourdon passed off as "information".

That seems have escaped your reasoning powers. But then people who post your sort of "thoughts" are probably just now beginning to "rotate their inventory" of freaking "preps for the Prudent".

CPR xxxxxxxxxxx

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), April 02, 2000.

Concerning the power industry, the Senate, Koskinen, et.al, did get a clue by June 1999, and the clue was that the testimony from the y2k "experts" was doomsday hype and flat out wrong. The facts came in from those in the power industry, the nuclear industry, the Senate and Kosky listened, the public listened, the mass media listened, but the doomsday y2k experts didn't slow down a bit with the hype until around December, with the proof of their idiocies soon approaching, they began to waft and wiggle.

-- FactFinder (FactFinder@bzn.com), April 02, 2000.

I wish a Pox, upon those who knowingly lied. I forgive those, who were unsure.

-- Most Unsure (inthis@life.com), April 02, 2000.

Did any of you geniuses bother to notice that Marianne said she gave this presentation in summer of 1999? Not December of 1999?

And if the PTB knew that everything was going to be ok, why did so many people have to work on New Year's Eve?

As for people admitting they lied, not going to happen.

-- life (is@like.that), April 03, 2000.

Did any of you geniuses bother to notice that Marianne said she gave this presentation in summer of 1999? Not December of 1999?

YUP.

And frankly, if 1/1/2000 had not come, she would still be making the same presentation as would all the Hooples from N.Va., the Center for Y2k and Wasted Tax Free Grant Money, and many more while the Shills and Vendors would still be chanting "delete", "troll" and other things.

BUT, 1/1/2000 ended that for most DIDN'T IT??

CPR

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), April 03, 2000.

"And frankly, if 1/1/2000 had not come, she would still be making the same presentation as would all the Hooples from N.Va., the Center for Y2k and Wasted Tax Free Grant Money"

LOL! cpr is truly a renaissance man! Not only does he know all there is to know about EVERYTHING, he also has ESP!

Too bad he does not know how to cure his own addiction to web forums.

HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

-- you're (a@pompous.ass), April 03, 2000.

"Did any of you geniuses bother to notice that Marianne said she gave this presentation in summer of 1999? Not December of 1999?"

Doesn't make it any less misinformed. It was well-known by the summer of 1999 that the power industry did not expect any problems.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), April 03, 2000.

I read every testimony I could, reporting on the particular Industry Status. Every one read very grim, so I personally positioned myself (as best could). I was forewarned that those crying "possible danger" were only there for the bucks. I could not comprehend, how a human could testify under public scrutiny, that possible danger lurked, while they knew they were lying, in hopes of catching additional human Green Backs. I knew they had to be telling the truth, of their uncertainity. Else, how could they face their image in the mirror, the next morn? Imagine how amazed I am to realize some folks are comfortable with deceit, and can actually smile and revel in their mirror reflection, after such a lie they lay on another human.

-- May God (h@veMercy.com), April 03, 2000.

To cpr followers:

Has anyone ever noticed that cpr, "Buddy" and "Y2k Pro" always tend to appear and disappear at the same time on various forums?

HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

-- cpr (you@are.outed), April 04, 2000.

For the purpose of this memorandum, the Y2K transition date period is defined to be from 1 September 1999 through 31 March 2000

-- (31@March.2000), April 04, 2000.

Sorry, you're wrong. I am not cpr. The e-mail address is real, although I don't check it often.

"I knew they had to be telling the truth, of their uncertainity."

Has it ever occurred to you that those so uncertain might not have had any business passing themselves off as "experts"?

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), April 04, 2000.