SYSOP I HAVE A QUESTION

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I thought profanity directed against any individual would not be tolerated.

-- David Whitelaw (dande53484@aol.com), March 23, 2000

Answers

Sorry I forgot the question mark at the end of the sentence.

-- David Whitelaw (dande53484@aol.com), March 23, 2000.

I think if that were true, a few of the more interesting people wouldn't be able to post here. Anyway, I don't recall seeing that posted anywhere.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), March 23, 2000.

I think the rule should be pointless posts that are made only to attck someone, and are full of swearing (like 99% of "hawk's") should be moved to the deleted threads.

OTOH, I have seen several posting heated discussions that are well thought out, and are content rich- where there ARE a few cuss words thrown in. I think they were used more to stress a point than just a mindless attack.

Just my opinion.

-- (08234507@p2873450.-90734-234), March 23, 2000.


It would be a slippery slope to start deleting posts that are attacks (based on the swear words in them). What is the difference between attacks with 4 letter words and attacks without them? Then you get into that whole thing. And how do you decide when an attack is "pointless"? And who decides it, based on what? Nothing wrong with attacks, sure some of them are bound to be frivolous but that's life. The person who sounded pointless today, tomorrow may post an unforgettable magnum opus.

They are doing just that over on EZboard. Somebody posts a one-liner attack (with our without 4-letter word) and people go "Should we delete this?" It isn't a pretty sight!

Gratuitous porn and commercial advertising are the only thing that merits deletion IMO, per the forum policy. They are like spam in your mailbox, as I see it. The distinction is quite clear.

-- Debbie (dbspence@usa.net), March 23, 2000.


I think I'd go even further, and only delete *bad* porn, and ads for products that don't interest me.

As for profane attacks, hey, we *need* Hawk or how could we demonstrate the tolerance we all claim to be exercising?

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), March 23, 2000.



Flint, define "bad" porn please? ;)

-- helen (home@the.farm), March 23, 2000.

Bad porn is porn I don't enjoy looking at, of course.

You gotta consider picture quality, resolution, lighting, subject, pose, and so on. If your grade on all these categories is D- or worse, it's bad porn.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), March 23, 2000.


I thought "*bad* porn" was pornography that should be spanked soundly and sent to bed without its supper?

(Waiting for the deluge of spanking jokes to follow: ... ten ...nine...eight...seven...)

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), March 23, 2000.




-- (how's@this.one?), March 23, 2000.

Flint LOL - only ban ads for products that don't interest you? I was composing my serious answer to you, when I saw that. ;-)

-- Debbie (dbspence@usa.net), March 23, 2000.


I swear occasionally on this forum and at home and with friends.. If a person never does anything worse than swearing, they haven't done much that is blame worthy.

I try and not direct my swearing towards an individual, but I may fail. Most of the really interesting people I know, swear, not to excess, but they swear. Someone famous once said, "Sometimes a person swears to express what can't be expressed by the rules of Ms. Manners." Exactly

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), March 23, 2000.


"Sometimes a person swears to express what can't be expressed by the rules of Ms. Manners." Exactly

Just so.

And with 4-letter words, just like "please" and "thank you" - overdo it and it becomes devalued currency.

-- Debbie (dbspence@usa.net), March 23, 2000.


Hell I'm not mad at anybody. What kind of fun can you have if you can't throw in a fuck or shit now and then. It's makes you feel better and it takes the fucking knots out of your neck.Screw the fuckers that think otherwise!

-- Boswell (fundown@the.farm), March 23, 2000.

As George Carlin used to say; there are 7 words you can't say on TV:

Shit

Piss

F***

C****

C*** S*****

MF

and, T**'s

This is NOT TV, this is real life; so trolls:

Kiss, my pretty, white, powdered, butt!

~*~

-- (Ladylogic@.....), March 23, 2000.


From the looks of the pix above, your butt is getting a bit red.

-- you bare it (illkissit@40strokes.leatherstrap), March 24, 2000.


Why do I have this lasting image that Lady Logic is a 375 pound lard ass that you have to roll in a sack of white flour to find the wet spot? It's almost like the worst nightmare ever encountered!

-- Boswell (fundown@the.farm), March 24, 2000.

I bet poor David is having a shit hemorrage wondering why he even started this fucking topic!

-- Boswell (fundown@the.farm), March 24, 2000.

hee hee hee hee hee, Boswell you funny!

-- (funny@butt.true), March 24, 2000.

I didn't realize how many sysops we had on this forum. I believe my question was directed to the sysop.

-- David Whitelaw (dande53484@aol.com), March 24, 2000.

It's pretty clear the sysop doesn't give a flyin' f**k.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), March 24, 2000.

I am not the sysop, but in their absence, this information may be useful to you . . .

Your question was . .

Subject: SYSOP I HAVE A QUESTION

I thought profanity directed against any individual would not be tolerated.

The published guideline for behavioural standards for participants to this forum are clearly displayed in the "about" section of the main page . . namely

(MY emphasis, in an attempt to focus you onto the pertinent clause) About the TB2K spinoff uncensored Forum

Welcome to the "TB2K Spinoff Uncensored" forum. This forum was started in response to Ed Yourdon having closed his original TimeBomb 2000 forum on Lusenet and moved it to a strongly moderated forum on EZboard. This forum is an attempt to recapture the free flowing discussions that used to take place on Ed Yourdon's original forum. Everyone is welcome to post. All that is asked is to refrain from spamming and use basic Netiquette. Problem posts (pornography, disrupting html in posts etc.) should be brought to the forum administrator's attention via email at freespeech_y2k@yahoo.com. The administrator of this forum does not necessarily endorse the views expressed herein. Solicitations of any kind resulting in monetary gains in commercial ventures are not permitted.

In my humble opinion, the best antidote to unpleasant posts with no redeeming intellectual value is that little grey block on the browser scrollbar. It has never failed me yet.

(I would however vigorously defend your right to express this, or any other question or opinion, within the above stated forum remit, without fear of censorship of any kind).

W

-- W0lv3r1n3 (W0lv3r1n3@yahoo.com), March 24, 2000.


I once read a book, cant recall the title but this book said the #1 word used in America to voice anger is FCK, (U get it? tee hee but it is a true story.

David, although you addressed a sysop, do you have a problem with 'others' on this forum stating their opinions?

If words do offend you, look beyond them.

We here are UNCENSORED, is there a part of that you aint gettin?

----consumer who isnt pissed off today........

-- consumer (Shh@aol.com), March 24, 2000.


David Why don't you take a flying fuck thru a fucking rolling donut or take a goddam heart pill!

-- Boswell (fundown@the.farm), March 24, 2000.

It is obvious to me that my questions and opinions are not wanted on this free speech forum. I will not post again.

-- David Whitelaw (dande53484@aol.com), March 24, 2000.

Thanks W, that was interesting.

But now I'm wondering, what would "disrupting html" be?

Sometimes I close my tags wrong, and the next guy gets "centered" before I get back. Do you think that considered disrupting? Or, is it when someone closes off the whole thread like they did at Yourdon's?

Oh, wait! Once OTFR asked me not to put color in the "name" box. I never understood why, but I haven't done it again out of respect for his wishes.

Hmm, I guess I'll find out the rules as I go. (Or, as I break them?)

Boswell, you'd like to think I'm a 350 lb. woman, wouldn't you. It makes it easier for you to hate me, doesn't it? I swear one of these days I'm gonna post my picture just so you can eat your heart out.

No wait, I don't wanna do that. The thought of you getting excited looking at me turns my stomach.

~*~

-- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 24, 2000.


David,

Its me again....Dude, take a look around. Although we may not be your type of humor...Take it for what it is...

HUMOR....

I value all opinions, we have FREE speech, if we come on too strong, it most ALWAYS in jest (exception being Hawk).

Continue to post, and feel free to 'cyber fight back', we WELCOME it as long as you arent providing us naked pics of the Hawk.....

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), March 24, 2000.


"naked pics of the Hawk..... "

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHA Ha hahahahahahahha, Consumer!!!!

(That was funny.)

David, please don't go away. We value you here, we just want to have the right to express ourselves like we do in our own home.

Oh wait! Damn! I am home!!

*wink

~*~

-- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 24, 2000.


David you arrogant prick, stick around and have fun cause I enjoy your posts. Your alot of fun to have around because you're too damn serious. You are a important factor! Let me see your picture Laura and let me be the judge. I can get off on almost anything. After all it's fun being down here on the farm.

-- Boswell (fundown@the.farm), March 24, 2000.

I swear one of these days I'm gonna post my picture just so you can eat your heart out.

The one above with you holding a banana is quite sufficient. Anything else may be considered pornography, but most likely just bad taste.

-- EW! (nomorepixofyou@this.place), March 24, 2000.


Settle down.

I'm not going to post my picture. I make people pay for my picture, I'm not gonna give it away free.

:o)

~*~

-- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 24, 2000.


Wait a minute,

I hope you guys know I was kidding in that last post, right?

Ok, Ok, Ok, I gotta go now. I have a long post I want to write.

~*~

-- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 24, 2000.


Hey, David, no offense intended. I think most everyone here was just kidding.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), March 24, 2000.

I'm not going to post my picture. I make people pay for my picture, I'm not gonna give it away free. :o) ~*~ -- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 24, 2000.

Wait a minute, I hope you guys know I was kidding in that last post, right? ....... ~*~ -- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 24, 2000.

How much did Gregg pay for your picture?. I refer you to here. Just in case the link doesn't work, here it is again.

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001xqb

Were you kidding about paying for the picture or not posting it?

Write your long post. Just idle questions here. LOL

-- passing time (waiting@wondering.here), March 24, 2000.


I was kidding about paying for it. I'm not going to post it.

Thanks a LOT for reminding me about Gregg. You will notice in that post he said, "Yeah, I had reponded a month ago to some reply LL gave to King of Spain, saying she was a Goddess. I forget what I said exactly, but then she said she'd prove it and E-mailed me a picture of her."

Back then I was fairly new to the internet and wet behind the ears. It still amazes me today that I sent a couple of guys my picture, but fortunately they were at least one and a half to two years old back then. I don't look much like them today so I don't think anyone can identify me from them. Furthermore, I'd like to point out that Gregg never denied I'm pretty. He turned on me because I told him his investment advice was wrong. He was so damn sure that Y2k was going to be a ten, he was spending money crazy and he even moved his mother from another state to live with him.

I'm equally still amazed people hated me for saying Y2k would be a "3" in that thread. (I'm so glad I was wrong :o)

The last two years have been interesting for me, but at NO time in my life has it ever been as interesting as the time I've spent with TB members. I've met people like Gregg that I truly thought were posting from an asylum, and I've met some geniuses. Fortunately, most of the people I've met online were just like me, scared people looking for honest answers.

(BTW, I'm not really a Goddess; I'm just not 350 lbs :o)

~*~

-- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 24, 2000.


David:

Seems to me your question has been addressed pretty thoroughly, and a great deal of interest has been generated. The proper role of a forum moderator on a forum like this is extremely important, as past experience on the old TB2K forum demonstrated so emphatically.

You are really asking two questions: Should personal attacks be tolerated, and should impolite language be tolerated? Essentially, you are implying that the moderator should be enforcing good manners. It ought to be clear that such a task would be excessively time consuming, even beyond the problem of defining some necessarily hazy line beyond which manners might be deemed not good enough. No, people probably shouldn't be boorish. But we can tolerate boorish posts and draw our own conclusions about their authors.

A deeper issue involves speculation as to WHY you might ask such a question. As we've seen, an active deletion policy by the moderator (s) can render an open forum unusable, while a closed forum of wide- ranging discussion is an oxymoron. We're all well aware that while profane personal attacks are unpleasant and contribute nothing of value to any discussion, the "cure" of *moderator-imposed* intolerance of *anything* is far worse than the disease. We must assume you know this as well.

As a result, your suggestion that such a "cure" be applied would seem to indicate that you do NOT have the best interests of this forum in mind. Your prior active support of the Yourdon policy of banning "wrong" opinions doesn't weigh in your favor either.

Bottom line: We recognize that occasional profane personal attacks are a price we must pay for the overall excellent quality of discussion we enjoy here. We know better than to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Now, let's get back to having fun.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), March 24, 2000.


God, Flint is smart, isn't he?

I agree, back to fun! (I have a fun post planned for tomorrow if I can ever get around to writing it. [Well, fun for everyone except Yourdon & Company.])

~*~

-- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 24, 2000.


Thank you Debbie and Flint for a good explanation of the reasons behind my policies in the About section reposted here by W0lv3r1n3. ,p> It annoys me that so many people don't take the time to read the About section. W0lv3r1n3 didn't hotlink the Netiquette page as it is done in the "About", so I'll do it here. For a detailed explanation of Netiquette guidelines, see this link:

http://marketing.tenagra.com/rfc1855.html#3

OTFR

-- Old TB2K Forum Regular (freespeech@yahoo.com), March 24, 2000.


Also, don't overlook the humorous/sarcastic Netiquette guidelines mentioned on the "About" page.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), March 24, 2000.

I was kidding about paying for it. I'm not going to post it.

That's what I figured. LOL Just checkin'!

Thanks a LOT for reminding me about Gregg....

Welcome.

I'm equally still amazed people hated me for saying Y2k would be a "3" in that thread.(I'm so glad I was wrong :o)

Me, too. On both counts! But I think more was involved there...

The last two years have been interesting for me, but at NO time in my life has it ever been as interesting as the time I've spent with TB members. I've met people like Gregg that I truly thought were posting from an asylum, and I've met some geniuses. Fortunately, most of the people I've met online were just like me, scared people looking for honest answers. (BTW, I'm not really a Goddess; I'm just not 350 lbs :o) ~*~ -- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 24, 2000.

What was that saying? "May you live in interesting times." Something like that anyway. lol

There were a lot of scared people, and a lot of mean people. But, I always kept in mind that 1. I make my choices myself. 2. Everyone has an opinion.

Never was a doomer, and never was a polly. Just looking for info, reading opinions with evidence, and links to more info. I learned alot from the forums. I made some changes in my life for the better. Life is much easier now.

I wasn't worried about y2k. What could I do to prevent anything from happening? Nothing. I just made sure that I could alleviate any affect of it on my life as much as possible. Simple. As a bonus, I have new skills to use, and a better plan on the future. I have a much more efficient homelife. More fun, too! And loads of free time that I didn't have before. Safer, too.

Still, I see nothing of import that was gained by your actions.

As for interesting times, well, they are coming. Hold on!!!!!

-- passing time (Future@starting.now), March 24, 2000.


I'd rather have swearing anyday than censorship. That's why I quit the Old TB Forum. I hate censorship; it never has a stopping place. David shame on you for advocating censorship. No one has to read a post that offends them.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), March 24, 2000.

Gilda,
We seem to have interpreted David W's post differently. I read it as a request for clarification of forum policy rather than a call for censorship.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), March 24, 2000.

Alright, alright, settle down now ladies. I don't normally blow my cover, but since you lovelies seem very harmless and loving, I'll make an exception this time. All I ask is that you please don't pass my picture around to any deviant types, as I like to suprise them when I sneak up on them. Now, get your butts nice and powdered up, because I am long, hot, hard, and ready for action...



Now as far as the naked pics go, well I'm a bit shy on the Internet. Believe me, you'll be much happier if you'll just get in line and have your chance to see the real thing. ;-)

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), March 24, 2000.

Hawk, you're so silly.

That's Joe Landau...or something like that.

It's a nice image though, thanks!

Hey! I think I'll go out and find a picture of a babe driving a Hummer! (I remember, do you? Did I tick you off when I said I didn't really have one? Is that why you've been so mad at me? It seems like after that, you blasted me every chance you got. You don't really have to tell me, of course. But I've always wondered.)

~*~

-- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 24, 2000.


You don't think my real name is Hawk do you? It's not Joe Landau either silly, I'm Lorenzo Lamas, just having some fun with people on these forums.

Naaah, I'm could care less whether or not you have a hummer, I get more offers for hummers than I even have time for. Though I am curious to see that powdered white butt, as long as it isn't 375 lbs.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), March 24, 2000.


Joe Landau -- Loreno Lamas,... whoever. All those movie star hunks look the same to me. They're all gorgeous, muscular, brunette, and dumb. They're nice to look at, but I'd hate to spend more than a day with them. (Ok, maybe a week :o)

ahem,

My charms are reserved for marriage. I only tell people to kiss my powdered butt. I don't actually let anyone, or show it, for pete's sake.

Can we change the subject now?

Are you still a doomer?

~*~

-- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 24, 2000.


is that an Indian blanket on the handlebars or a gay beach towel?

-- Something you're not telling? (ACDC@DC.AC), March 24, 2000.

Since Hawky has admitted to some surfing, my vote goes to gay beach towel.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 24, 2000.

Yeah, that's my gay beach towel, I go both ways. :-)

I use to bumfuck this dude called himself Uncle Deedah, and he was more like a woman than most women are. He even powdered his ass.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), March 24, 2000.


Who in the hell is this guy Hawk? That mother-fucker wouldn't be a pimple on my fuckin ass. You keep talkin the way you do and somebody sometime goin to cut your head off and shit down your throat. You probably got little man syndrome. About 5'4" and 120 and not very proud of it. Probably got a pencil dick too!

-- Boswell (fundown@the.farm), March 24, 2000.

I think it must be a lot smaller than a pencil because I never felt a thing!

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 24, 2000.

Boswell's jealous. He only has a mechanical-pencil-lead-sized dick.

Hardly worth getting up, eh?

-- I can't see it..! (dontw@nna.either), March 24, 2000.


Ooooooh, dat Bos is a bad mother fuck-... shut yo mouth! I ain' talkin bout Bos!

Yes, I have a pencil dick. I use it to do my math homework too.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), March 24, 2000.


Shut up!

~*~

-- (Ladylogic@...), March 24, 2000.


Oh my! Big bad PI bounty hunter Hawky has Math homework to do!

BWWWAAAAAAAAAHHAAAAAAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 24, 2000.


Let me say that again with emphasis:

Shut up!

Goodnight, you testosterone-filled twinkies....

~*~

-- (Ladylogic@....), March 24, 2000.


HA HA!

-- Nelson (hawky@homework.homo), March 24, 2000.


Really had ya goin there, eh Unc?

Heee hee hee hee hee

Bwaa bwaa bwaaa bwaa bwaa-bwwaaaaaaaaaaaap!!

Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh!, eeee-eeee-eeee-eeee!, aaaa-aaaa-aaaaa-aaa!

buuurrrrwwop.. buuuurrrrwwop

ribbit... ribbit... ribbit

fffrrrraaaap! frrrraaaaap!

hooooyaaah! hooooyah!

whooooh!-whooooh!-whooooh!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), March 24, 2000.


Hey LL, you an me both LL's!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), March 24, 2000.

Geeezzzzzz

Correct me if I'm wrong but I said no naked pics....didnt I?

Hawk, I KNOW now I dont wanna see it, (never cared for pencils unless they were the BIG FAT kind)

Unlce Dee, thanks for the 'pencil' warning.

Was a nice pic though, looks like a chippendaler to me, not a hawker.

consumer=====who has MET MANY CHIPPENDALES.....(smile w/fond memories)

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), March 25, 2000.


I'm SORRY, I HAD to post again, I kinda shot down tooo fast thru this one...

OMG, Uncle DEE I SWEAR I am Laughing so hard, I'm crying and now my nose is running.......

clairy:

Uncle Dee said " Big Bad PI has math to do", BWWAAWWWW HAHHAHAHAH

Unc, do you drink? You ARE THE FUNNIEST man I've EVER encounterd.

Hawk, more bout youo later, Bos, YOUR GREAT.....

----consumer who is laughing so hard i can barely type.

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), March 25, 2000.


Some comical sex crazed buffoons
When not occupied by cartoons
Dispense with decorum
On this Time Bomb forum
And talk about lead filled balloons

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), March 25, 2000.

Oh come now Dave, I thought we were just getting started....

---still laughing my a@@ off!!!

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), March 25, 2000.


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