Found on this website, http://www.cuttingedge.org/ce1021.html. Absolutely barking mad!

Let us examine now some of the toys which advance the kingdom of Anti-Christ because it teaches its values to our children.

* SMURFS

Most of us think of the Smurfs as cute, harmless little blue and white aliens. However, the story line is full of occultism. Papa Smurf is cast in the role of a "White" Witchdoctor who is protecting his people by incantations and rituals and potions. Gargamel is cast in the role of the "Black" or evil witchdoctor who is always trying to cast some evil spell over the poor, helpless Smurfs so he can control them forever. In one cartoon screen several years ago, Gargamel is shown creating a Devil's Pentagram from lighted candles on the dirt floor of his house. Gargamel moved inside the Pentagram and carried out a ritual designed to defeat Papa Smurf and the little Smurfs. Your children have probably watched this most Satanic cartoon.

* MY LITTLE PONY

Everyone loves horses, but these are not your everyday horses. These horses can levitate, or fly through the air. Most people do not realize when they see someone or something flying through the air that this phenomenon is pure Satanism. Further, many of these horses are Unicorns. In fact, this TV cartoon so popularized Unicorns that we see them today in jewelry, clothing, paintings, and figurines. Many Christian families even own Unicorn representations in their homes. Do you realize the Unicorn has been occultic for thousands of years, and is represented in current New Age literature as being representative of the violent way in which the New World Order will be finally brought into existence? Occultic folklore has traditionally pictured the Unicorn as the destroyer of the old system, a necessary prerequisite for the New System to be established.

Did you know God utilized a Unicorn-type animal in His prophecy in Daniel 8:4-5, in depicting the final days' Anti-Christ? Do not be deceived: the Unicorn is not the sweet, gentle, and loving animal which is portrayed. Your children are being manipulated into believing a lie, and setting them up to accept the Anti-Christ when he arises.

* MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE

This program was the most blatantly occultic program in history; yet, most parents had no idea of the meaning of the various activities and implements. He-Man led the forces of the "White", or Good Forces; Skeletor led the forces of the "Black", or evil Forces. He-Man and Skeletor were constantly battling over control of a demon-possessed castle called Castle Greyskull. When He-Man or Skeletor stood resolutely with feet far apart and sword lifted upward grasped with both hands, a beam of power, represented as a broad stream of light, would burst out of the Heavens. This light would travel to the tip of the sword, flow down the length of the blade, through the handle, and into the body of the warrior, giving him the power to accomplish his mission.

This scenario is classic Satanism. Yet, it was repeated countless times for our children's young minds to absorb. There are many, many more instances of occultism being graphically portrayed in the story lines of Masters of the Universe, but time does not allow us to fully develop this line of inquiry.

These three toy licenses clearly show the disguised Satanism to which children are being exposed, but all these licenses are no longer being aired. For the balance of this program, we will examine current licenses so we can see the occultism programmed into them. However, the emphasis has slightly changed; many licenses now are not so blatantly Satanistic, but are rather subtlety implanting the values of the New World Order into our children. Most of our current information will come from a Toy Industry Magazine entitled, The Toy Book, Spring, 1992. Since the International Toy Fair is held every year in February, this edition always previews the new toy licenses and/or the toys which will be receiving the emphasis of TV advertising.

* CAPTAIN PLANET

This modern world hero is not really of this world; he is an alien whose mission is to prevent environmental pollution from occurring on earth. And who enlisted Captain Planet to intervene on the earth? Mother Gaia, the Earth Goddess whose life was being threatened by Industrial Pollution. Mother Gaia is the ancient Earth Mother whom occultists have worshipped for centuries. You see, occultists believe that our planet is a living, breathing entity, a goddess whom they named Gaia centuries ago. Therefore, our children have again been exposed to classic occultism.

Captain Planet immediately enlisted five earth children to alert him whenever an act of pollution is about to occur. The children each have a very special ring, with which they can signal Captain Planet and communicate to him the necessary details about the impending pollution. Then, Captain Planet acts as Superman, levitating through the air to stop the act of pollution before it can occur. When the children use the rings to signal Captain Planet, the cartoon shows a beam of light shining from the ring on their fingers. The cartoon representation is classic Satanism, with power emanating from the hand or fingers of the adept.

Further, Captain Planet is teaching children that this world's economic system is so polluting the earth that, if drastic action is not taken on an international scale to solve the problem, Mother Earth will soon be uninhabitable. Let us state at this point, that the planners of the New World Order are either creating or exaggerating worldwide problems so that people will accept an international solution provided by an international government. We see this occurring in the following areas:

Worldwide Industrial Pollution Ozone depletion Acid rain Destruction of Rain Forests Endangered Species We are not saying that these concerns do not contain an element of truth; what we are saying is that these concerns are being exaggerated to the point of outright lying so that people will accept a One-World Totalitarian Government as the solution.

We finally need to look at which organization has created the Captain Planet license and which is funding it: Ted Turner's Home Entertainment. Ted Turner is one of the most rabid New World Order promoters. He is the one who proposed changing God's Ten Commandments into man's Ten Suggestions. Turner has also exhibited tremendous antagonism toward Fundamental Christianity. Turner's CNN has become one of the premier channels by which the agenda of the New World Order is being promoted. And Turner wants the minds, hearts, and affections of your children.

Let us continue our examination of New World Order Toys.

* Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

These alien creatures are also fighting Industrial pollution, because they were changed into the mutants they are because of chemicals which were dumped into a river. In fighting industrial pollution, these Ninja Turtles employ the occultic art of Ninja in a most violent manner. Thus, our children are being triply impacted: they are being led to believe the lie of massive Industrial Pollution; they are being exposed to the principles of the occultic art of Ninja; and they are being exposed to constant violence, which hardens their minds, teaching them that violence is an acceptable solution to a problem.

* Walt Disney's 101 Dalmatians seems to be just an innocent, fun-loving group of puppies, but look again, this time more closely. The 101 Dalmatians story line contains a very cruel Black Witch, Cruella DeVil, whose name literally means Cruel Devil. She attempts classic witchcraft in her attempt to bring these puppies under her control. At this point, we need to point out that no one has done more since World War II to promote Witchcraft and Magic in our children's minds than Walt Disney. Cute characters, one after another, have been shown doing occultic, magical things to and for one another. Story line after story line have featured White and Black Magicians, concocting potions and creating spells, levitating objects, people and animals through the air. And it is made to appear so fun and innocent.

* The long-running and perennial favorite characters, Hanna-Barberra, have been purchased by New World Order Ted Turner. Further, Turner Home Entertainment has created Fish Police license. Therefore, these cartoon shows will contain all the standard lies of the New World Order of which we have been talking.

* Zen Intergalactic Ninja is coming to TV cartoons after a successful introduction last year in Archie Comics. This heroic character is occultic through and through.

Zen receives his power through the ancient occultic art of Ninja. He is repeatedly shown meditating in order to maintain his power. He faithfully chants OM during his meditations, and he is being observed by hooded persons who reside in the heavens. Zen refers to these hooded characters as the All-Powerful Masters, undoubtedly the New World Order Masters of the Illuminati. These Masters inform Zen that now "the time has come for your ordeal of Enlightenment." Zen has only four fingers, which is very common in occultic representations. The universal Peace Sign which he flashes is occultic. Zen is shown as the White Magic practitioner, and his enemy is Notan the World Destroyer, the Black Magic Shaman. They are fighting over control of the world, but in particular, over who will control the mystical, innocent human Starchilde. Starchilde looks to be about 14 years old and it is revealed that he is part human, part super-natural. His father was human, but his mother was a goddess named Queen Azuta. This representation of Starchilde is simply a reversal of the parents of Jesus Christ, whose father was God and mother was the human Mary. In the story line, Notan has descended from a race of gods in the ancient past. Notan can only live by feeding off the life-force of dying planets. He has always coveted the green earth, but could not touch her because she was vibrant and alive. However, Notan can now devour earth because "foolhardy humans are decimating their planet... befouling the very air they breathe, while destroying the protective atmospheric layer that surrounds them. They burn their once-abundant forests, denuding the planet of its crucial greenery, while cavalierly obliterating thousands of uniquely diverse species. They poison the very land itself with toxic wastes...destroying their most precious natural resources..." Notan is being aided by earth men named Lord Contraminus, Garbage Man, and Smogger, whose sole mission in life is to completely pollute the earth.

This story line is one of the most blatant New World Order creations ever, and it will be impacting your children tremendously.

-- Obo (susanwater@excite.com), March 13, 2000

Answers

Did you post this, Susan, or is it another troll post? In any case, I'm not going to worry that my daughter is playing with My Little Pony. Sheesh! Next, I'll be reading a post declaring that Legos are Satanic, too. Maybe that's my problem: I grew up playing with Legos and occasionally limbless GI Joes (my brother was always cutting their limbs off in battle). How would I have turned out if I had played with trolls or Ken dolls? Oh, yeah, and by the way, my brother is a cancer surgeon, now.

-- (Reallybigmouth@home.now), March 13, 2000.

susan, you are a dumb-shit.

susan, you are a dumb-shit.

susan, think this over. Then, go get a life.

I had lunch with jesus, THE jesus, just the other day. Just before we parted, but before judas paid the bill, jesus told me if I ever run into susan-the-zelot, slap her! Well, susan, consider yourself slapped. love and peace Alex

-- Alex (susanneedshelp@exorcist.com), March 13, 2000.

Big Mouth -- this is a troll post. Would you please quick nattering and join us on Tripod. Tks.

-- (kb8um8@yahoo.com), March 13, 2000.

In other words, let's limit the brainwashing of our kids to only Biblical horrors.

-- (@ .), March 13, 2000.

Susan may be a little...uhhh...rigid, but there's no need for name- calling.

Susan, good and evil are what our world is all about. If we want little Johnny and Jane to grow up to be good "evil-fighting Christians", they've got to learn it somewhere.

Since the Church usually sticks with Anglo White-bearded God and other simplistic representations of our Universe, we have to depend on the creatives in Hollywood, etc....to show us the way the world really works.

Just tell little Johnny or Jane which side they should be rooting for in all these shows, got it? GOOD!

-- INever (INever@callpeoplenames.com), March 13, 2000.

oh gawd, must everyone be a troll to you guys? sheesh

-- cin (cinlooo@aol.com), March 13, 2000.

Obo (susanwater@excite.com),

I recognize how many influences may be directed at these young minds, but, let's understand, these things have been happening for awhile now.

The information "humans" have to process on a day to day basis has been incrementally increasing at an amazing rate. These stories or fantasies, are no different than sci-fi stories I read in my past.

As long as your childred are grounded in their knowledge of your caring and love, I'm sure they will ask you, your interpretation of things they don't understand.

As I've learned lately, more often than not, they have a better view of it than I had. It's not affecting them in the same way it might have upset us. They have grown up in a world of TV, Videos and the such, with way more "visually real" type of entertainment. They tend to look at things differently than we do, it's a cultural thing.

They discern things in a different way. I doubt there's much we can do about it anyway. Unless your are influential enough to change the programming, all you can do is hope your voice is enough to make them aware.

-- Michael (michaelteever@buffalo.com), March 13, 2000.

Hello people? Anyone home??

Did you read the first sentence Susan wrote?

" Found on this website, http://www.cuttingedge.org/ce1021.html. Absolutely barking mad! (bold my own ofcourse)

-- Chris (!@#$@pond.com), March 13, 2000.

I bet half the kids that played with Smurfs & Masters of the Universe have their own kids by now.

Care to take on Pokemon?

-- flora (***@__._), March 13, 2000.

I don't appreciate E.T. wherein Speilberg teaches our kids to call each other "penis breath". I know, it was 13 yr olds talkin, but it was 6 year olds watching. Nice catch Chris.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), March 13, 2000.

Yesterday upon a stair,
I met 346,668 righteous frwaks who weren't there
They weren't there again today
I wish to God they'd go away.

Yessirry, we face an enemy more vicious than the Vandals, more gruesome than the Goths, nastier than the Nazis and blacker than the Blackest Black Plague.

I refer, of course, to the dreaded pestilence that threaten all, namely story teller tales. For example, Little Red Riding Hood is obviously a communist conspiring to dastardly influence of immature and easily impressionable young Western minds. Dare I go on? No, that would be telling....

Southern Subversives of OZ

-- Pieter (zaadz@icisp.net.au), March 13, 2000.

Wasn't there a religious leader recently who condemned one of the tele-tubbies because he carried a bag? This is sheer nonsense. I raised three kids who had smurfs, my little ponies, and ...Yes, Carlos, watched E.T. without ever calling anyone "penis breath."

Here we go again with someone else dictating what MY kids should/should not HAVE/WATCH.......due to THEIR subjective inferences on same.

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.thingee), March 13, 2000.

You dare dismiss this as "sheer nonsense" Anita!? Click here for the horrible TRUTH about Teletubbies!

-- CD (costavike@hotmail.com), March 13, 2000.

Understand Anita, but by the time you watched E.T. the words were harmless to you. We talk a lot about civility around here but the lack of it is different because we're adults. No anti-christ problems with me cause you need the first before you can have the other.

Still.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), March 14, 2000.

Hey! Alex! I saw you having lunch with Jesus the other day. He must still be pissed with me. That rooster thingee, you remember, crowing three times. It wasn't my fault. It was Satan's.

-- Saint (Peter@the.Gate), March 14, 2000.

Then There's something that's actually still on TV.

The Dark Heart of Pokeman http://ibg.hitbox.com/ace?id=927

-- jjbeck (jjbeck2@juno.com), March 14, 2000.

Oh yeah...speaking of the smurfs:

Papa Smurf Is A Communist

-- cin (cinlooo@aol.com), March 14, 2000.

God created the devil to have something to do.

-- Hatti (klavine@tco.com), March 14, 2000.

Suzy is NOT a dumbshit. watch your mouth boy. that may come out at the wrong time sometime--like with your boss. :-) boy, i could use that on a few coworkers.

satan does have plans on how to keep all of us from acheiving god's will in our life. he also doesn't want us to ever believe in god and love him. i think one of his most deadly plans is to simply make us neutral toward god, neutral toward evil/sin, etc. then he never has to worry about us making a committment to god or even worrying about it.

for years now, kids have been fed a constant stream of "new age" ideas, aliens, occult, and more. this has formed a part of their belief system. not only do they more readily accept the practices of the occult as they get older, but don't be surprised to see if they also perform some of these practices themselves. they are no longer taboo. suzy's article is right. look for yourself. look at all the toys/games with either outright demonic creatures or things involving black magic, wizardry, aliens that just happen to look like demons. same with tv shows, movies, and cartoons.

Satan wants to DESENSITIZE our kids to evil, violence, sex, etc.

-- tt (cuddluppy@aol.com), March 14, 2000.

Hello everyone, THIS IS THE REAL OBO (not the imposter who posted this thread).

I want to take a moment to apologize to everyone who was insulted by this thread, even though it was posted by an imposter PRETENDING to be me. I personally, dont think it's funny to make light of other people's deeply held beliefs, unless those people happen to believe something really stupid, like reincarnation, elephant headed gods, or Judaism.

I too think the original post is disgusting and sorry the imposter has posted this in my EMAIL name.

I am sorry this has happened and please remember that there is only ONE Obo (or Onebyone).

Yours in Christ,

Obo Webmistress of the Free Speech Forum http://network54.com/Forum/20352

-- Obo (susanwater@excite.ccom), March 14, 2000.

I'm glad someone posted this. The only thing I'm insulted by is that the religious nuts are always trying to make something dirty or evil or satanic or gross or blaphemous or having a hidden agenda or subliminal messag in something that is totally innocent.. The sickos are not the people writing the books, are producing the children's programs. The sickos are the Falwell's, Robertson's and others of that ilk who see evil in anything but what they promote, while filling their bank accounts from the brainwashed and gullible.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), March 14, 2000.

Great link, CD. I couldn't stop laughing. For those of you who want a hot link to the "absolutely barking mad" website that OBO #1 presented: Absolutely Barking Mad Website

Carlos, I don't remember HOW old my kids were when we saw E.T., but having raised 3 kids and having had neighbor kids at my house regularly, I can assure you that kids start with the "potty breath", "poopoo face" stuff WAY earlier than 6. Paul Milne STILL talks like a pre-schooler. One line in a Spielberg movie does NOT teach them anything they already don't know. What E.T. imparted was tolerance for the differences of others.

I'm REALLY happy with the way my kids turned out. They're honest, law-abiding, responsible citizens. They don't judge others based on skin color, life-style choices, sexual preference, or anything else. They're loving and respectful, yet recognize attempts to con them. Anyone remember Carrie's mother? Carrie's mother suggested that menstruation was a sign of God's anger for her evil thoughts....or something like that. Geez...what will these folks think of next?

Gilda: I agree with you. Every summer I went to the library and brought home the books from the slotted "banned" list. Uncle Tom's Cabin was one. Catcher in the Rye was another. How DID my kids turn out so great when they had a mom SO intent on evil?

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.thingee), March 14, 2000.

Anita, I too read all those banned books; Tobacco Road, The Concubine, Elmer Gantry, Grapes of Wrath, and they have important messages concerning ignorance, intolerance and stupidity. It's the honesty in these books that have made them classics.

My son was also allowed to read or watch anything he wanted. He was never *made* to go to church or play Little League, etc., or do any of the expected things, but he was welcome to join any activities that interested him. He's a wonderful son, husband and father. When my elderly mother was ill for a long period of time, he was the person who was there, night and day, to help care for her.

Yes, how did they turn out so good, when we were not only evil moms, but tolerant of so many fatal sins.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), March 14, 2000.

Big OOOPS! here... Carlos and everyone, I thought "barking mad" was a sarcastic comment from the original poster. Never heard of Susan Waters.

Well then...I'm not even gonna bother to comment on this thread. Anita and Gilda are doing fine.

-- Chris (!@#$@pond.com), March 14, 2000.

Gilda:

I have a feeling that if we got together some evening we'd talk until late into the night. I wasn't raised in any particular faith, but I read enough about ALL of them when the time came for me to be interested. I made the choice not to indoctrinate my children in any particular faith as well. They attended various churches with friends on occasion, so got a little taste of everything. After one attendance, my son came home and said, "Mom...What do WE believe?"

I was stunned. WE? WE? All of us sat down and discussed faith and the individual. I explained that there's no WE when it comes to faith. WE involves indoctrination. It's NOT based on faith. It's based on blind acceptance of what someone ELSE claims to be true.

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.thingee), March 14, 2000.

It is downright criminal to expose very young Children to the Bible Bullshit.These Kids will never get over this Handicap,and thats the Intend of these religeous Freaks,train the Future Suckers to give generously to their Cause,in Return we promise You Heaven on the 50 Yard Line.

-- Generic (religion@best.voodoo), March 14, 2000.

I don't know about THAT, Generic. I read bible stories to my kids as well as Aesop's fables and Greek and Roman mythology. One can't obtain cultural literacy without these stories as background.

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.thingee), March 14, 2000.

Anita said

>I explained that there's no WE when it comes to faith.

I'm afraid it does. By faith I believe Jesus is the Son of God.

>It's NOT based on faith. It's based on blind acceptance of what someone ELSE claims to be true.

Excuse me, the term Faith literally means a "blind acceptance of what someone else claims to be true."

Either you believe by 'faith' that Jesus died for your sin and mine or you don't.

The response to your son indicates that your 'faith' is that you don't.

-- I Belive in Him (Jesus is King@Kingdom.come), March 14, 2000.

I believe:

I have NO PROBLEM with MY SON [or ANY of my kids] deciding that they believe something. The problem *I* have is INSISTING that they believe the same things *I* believe. This is NOT faith. It's indoctrination.

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.thingee), March 14, 2000.

Well, I DON'T believe that jesus died for my sins. For one thing, I don't think I have ever sinned. What did I ever do that you'd consider a sin?

Gilda: you're BACK. Haven't seen ya around since our battles with the population exploders. How's it going?

-- jumpoff joe a.k.a. Al K. Lloyd (jumpoff@ekoweb.net), March 14, 2000.

Anita said:

>I believe: I have NO PROBLEM with MY SON [or ANY of my kids] deciding that they believe something. The problem *I* have is INSISTING that they believe the same things *I* believe. This is NOT faith. It's indoctrination.

******** As parents, it is our God given duty to raise our children, not allow them to raise themselves.

Examples would be telling them: Do not steal, Do not murder, Obey your parents, Don't lie. Etc.,etc.

Whats wrong with these morals/ethics? They are an indoctrination. They are also absolute Biblicly based truths. They are also something every parent should INSIST on teaching their children in order for us to exist in a 'civilized' society.

If we look around our jails are full, our politicians are EXCEEDINGLY corrupt. If these morals/ethics were still being taught today as they should be, we would NOT have the problems in society we do on the scale we do.

-- I Belive in Him (Jesus is King@Kingdom.come), March 14, 2000.

Believer:

I would agree that "Examples would be telling them: Do not steal, Do not murder, Obey your parents, Don't lie. Etc.,etc."

Establishing values that ensure the survival of society is NOT indoctrination, IMO. These values, however, were instilled in my children the same way they were instilled in ME by MY parents. I did NOT steal, and made it clear WHY I did not. I did not murder, and made it clear WHY I did not. I did not lie to my children and made it clear why I did not. I never asked that they OBEY me. I simply raised an eyebrow when they didn't and their own sense of remorse took over from there.

You may have handled YOUR children differently. Everyone is different.

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.thingee), March 14, 2000.

Anita, you are so right. We could talk until daybreak. I'm so glad to know that you too do not believe in brainwashing children with religion. Mine went with friends a few time but never got involved. generic, I think Bible Stories are just that--stories. It doesn't hurt kids to hear them. But I certainly agree that it shouldn't be shoved down their throats.

It took me a long time to get over the horrors I heard at the church when I was a kid. Revivals were the big events to convert kids at an impressionable age, and hearing what would happen to sinners, or the unsaved or nonChristians was to be filled with fear, uncertainty and doom. (FUD once again)

I recall all the talk about revelations, the beasts, plagues, fate of fornicators, witches, sinners, and death to their children; the locusts, golden bowls of wrath, and endless torture and worst of all the everlasting, molten hellfire where sinners, unbelievers and heathens (meaning other religions) would be thrown, not to die, but to suffer the agonies of molten fire for eternity. And all this from a loving God who would forgive us if we would just be saved.

And I wondered what sin I had committed. Then I discovered it wasn't me; it was my parents! And what was this horrible sin???? They had SEX!!! YES, and I was a sinful product of this SEX/SIN!! Therefore I was guilty by association, for I was the product of sinners, and I was a sinner suffering from original sin. Can you believe that horrible, monstrous crap is told to little kids. My friend calls it fire insurance--if you don't buy the God Squad's deal, you will burn in hell. So you join, repent, get saved and you've bought your fire insurance.

But I was a kid, I was scared to death, and I was mad. Nobody would ever make me believe in a loving God if that's the way it worked. I refused to go down to the mourner's bench and pray for my sins, and bawl and beg, and beseech and sling snot, howl to God to save me. They prayed and I just sat there, scared shitless, listening to the grown-ups acting like maniacs and I was furious. I didn't want to do that and I didnt!. It was hard not to as my grandma was carrying on so, and my two friends went up and said yes to all the questions. Boy did they ever lay the guilt on me then. I had mocked GOD. I had hurt God! Jesus gave his life for me! Didn't I understand the sacrifice! Was I so willful that I knew better than God and Jesus!!

But I didn't give in and the older I got the more I hated the Mafia treatment--"Hey youse--you sinner, you don't believe in the man, you're gonna burn." Emotional blackmail, threats, terror, hellfire, or just give in and you'll got to heaven. Well stuff it!

I Believe In Him--I was lucky to have a Dad who read and studied and told me to never blindly accept anything. To be uninformed is to be at risk. And that the unexamined life isn't worth living. So I don't anymore believe that Jesus died for my sins, than my cat did. Jesus surely lived and was a good man in his time and was killed, but not my savior. So I don't take that on blind faith, and if I do, I'm blind. But as Anita said, we are all different, and if it works for you fine. I will not be coerced. Also, the jails are full of exceedingly corrupt politicians you said. True andnd I'm sure that most of them would swear on a stack of Bibles that they were Christians. Al K. Lloyd, did you get my message on EZ Board to come over here. I'm so glad you've joined us here. Boy wasn't that population thing a hoot--some of the meanest damn people I've ever talked to. BTW, if you will email Flint, he willl give you my email address. Maybe we should start that old thread again in a more moderate atmosphere.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), March 14, 2000.

Anita said in an earlier post:

>They don't judge others based on skin color, life-style choices, sexual preference,

Anita just said:

>Establishing values that ensure the survival of society is NOT indoctrination,

You seem to have a difference of opinion with yourself here.

-- I Belive in Him (Jesus is King@Kingdom.come), March 14, 2000.

Allright people, yes maybe the sick minds behind these things think like this, but the children playing with them do not. I am a Christian or lets say i have my own realationship to GOD and maybe you should get one instead of trying to be one. Give me a break world order because were trying to save one of the things that helps us breathe like forests, rain forests, environment ect. When is it time to start looking at our own glass houses. YOU are the ones that raise your kids to become who they become. If you look at the bible it talks alot about good and evil. Oh yeh check out the Hanna Barbara Christian videos there great and so are the Disneys. It's all what you make of it.

-- (ohplease@givemeabreak.com), March 14, 2000.

I believe:

I have a difference of opinion with myself? [That could very well be, but I don't see your post as reflective of that.]

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.thingee), March 14, 2000.

I think this person *is* what a Christian should be. givemeabreak, I'm so glad to hear you speak up for the environment, if only more religious people would worry more about this beautiful earth and less about satanic toys.

"YOU are the ones that raise your kids to become who they become." Very well put!

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), March 14, 2000.

Hi, Gilda,

No, I didn't get your invitation at the EZ board. I'm not a member of it. I started to get on, after a bit of reluctance, due to the seeming unilateral censorship. When I read the start up information, I found that I had to accept their email advertising. That did it--no thanks!

I hope this site will remain totally open; it's more informative when everyone, even those we disagree with, are allowed a free rein.

I'll drop a line to Flint and give him my "real" email address. But all you really have to do is spell "echo" correctly in my "fake" address, and you've got it.

joj

-- jumpoff joe a.k.a. Al K. Lloyd (jumpoff@ekoweb.net), March 14, 2000.

I am the REAL Obo. The original post was by the IMPOSTER who is playing his her stupid games again with my email addy and now my handle Obo.

The REAL Obo (me) DID NOT post the original post to this thread.

My email box is full of responses again to a post I did not do post.

I think I will have to contact the sysops if they keep at it.

The real, Obo

-- Obo (susanwater@excite.com), March 14, 2000.

Al, I read this post after I'd posted on the cloned pigs thread.. So had I read your post here first, I wouldn't be repeating myself.

This is really kind of funny. I wanted to contact you and Donna, to come on this borard where the atmosphere was less restrictive. Since I was sure I wasn't welcome on that board, and I didn't want to be part of a board that censored or deleted posts that didn't suit their dogma, I started a thread here here asking someone that posted over there to ask you two to come over here. Michael kindly did this for me, and after his post there were calls of "delete" and then it disappeared. So much for freedom of speech!

Glad you're here. Now if Donna will just appear, standing on a hill, wrapped in her sheet, I will be thrilled. Hallyx is here. And by the way, Mumsie was here for awhile and was very congenial, but I haven't seen anything by her lately.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), March 15, 2000.

Gilda, that's way cool that you invited me, and others, over from the other "highly censored" board. I've never posted there, never will. But I guess the god of cyberspace must have beamed me the bytes necessary to get my attention. Wow; it's almost like an out of body experience, but without the mess.

Glad you're here, Gilda; I did notice that Mumsie had posted a couple of things, and seemed fine. Maybe she's ok if you don't push the wrong buttons. Careful!

Hope the others you mentioned show up, too.

-- jumpoff joe a.k.a. Al K. Lloyd (jumpoff@ekoweb.net), March 15, 2000.

I feel sorry for you, Susan. I don't hate you, I am not going to curse at you and call you stupid. I'm just going to say that it is unfortunate that you must constantly be living in fear. That must be sad. Maybe some day you will forgive whoever you are truly angry at or resentful towards and you will begin to see the world and the human race with a sense of love. After all, Jesus was about love, was he not? As far as your outrageous stranghold of concern you place on children, I feel sorry for them as well, because they will quite possibly grow up to hate as much as you.

-- Disdin Gaul (disdingaul@home.com), December 08, 2000.