OTFR: Censorship and Bulletin Boards...

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It's obvious to all of us that you're not going to delete posts based on content. However, due to the spamming I suspect that right now you're wondering what to do about this board. Ultimately, you're going to have to make that decision for yourself, of course, but I have a question and a few comments.

First of all, on this type of bulletin board, you're going to have spammers. You're not going to be able to stop it, so you either have to live with it, or go to another type of board.

If you stay with this board, you'll probably have to delete the spam just so original questions don't get buried in the category section. Personally, I don't want to see you waste you're life on administrative issues, so I recommend you go to a site like Debunker's, Biffy, or a (gulp) site like Yourdon's. It's harder to spam at any of those places, and I think easier to clean up. Besides, DB-type boards have IP's displayed so you won't have to worry about complaints of people imitating others.

Oh, my gosh, I just thought of another alternative. I'll e-mail you in a minute.

(By the way, my question was going to be, "How expensive is bandwidth? I'm assuming that will be a factor in your decision.)


-- Laura (Ladylogic46@aol.com), March 13, 2000


You have the balls to talk about wasted bandwidth? You are such a phoney. If it hadn't been for you there would have been no wasted bandwidth at the original TB2000. Madam you had better seek professional help.

-- Manny (No@dip.com), March 13, 2000.


Old Regular has already made the decision to come to Lusenet. Others have started fora on alternative software. Folks like the format here. Who CARES if some spamming occurs? *I* certainly don't. If this forum is one's only link to the outside world, I could see the importance, but it's NOT.

You've already demonstrated that fora that include IP addresses provide NO information on imitators, Laura. You've bet the farm every time that a particular poster was THIS one...NO...THAT one. You CONTINUE to concern yourself with this, despite the lack of interest by anyone else.

Bandwith is free to Old Regular on both Lusenet and EZBOARD. He/she CHOSE Lusenet. Let him/her have a life, eh?

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.thingee), March 13, 2000.

We don't have to do anything. Manny will a life eventually.

Scroll, scroll, scroll. Ignore, ignore, ignore.

-- semper paratus (here_with@my.pals), March 13, 2000.

That, of course, was get a life eventually.

-- semper paratus (here_with@my.pals), March 13, 2000.

Anyway this board could be programmed to display IP addresses, too, if Greenspun chose to or were persuaded to. I agree Anita it's not such an issue, it's like padlocks - a minor deterrent. It might stop me from posting some obnoxious tripe if I was in the mood because there might be some vague chance of being recognizable from the first half of the octets of the four different ISPs I use. Then again it might not. (Anyway I hardly ever post obnoxious tripe :) ) And if I were a serious spammer I would be thinking about that last half of the octet and how you cannot tell anything from it and this would be a reason why I *wouldn't* be deterred. It is not a big issue unless WE make it one.

-- Debbie (dbspence@usa.net), March 13, 2000.

Let's just delete all multiple copies of the same message as soon as they appear. Leave one to let the spammer have his/her say. The rest of us should then simply ignore the spammer.

This really reminds me of when my 12 year old step-son got my account kicked off of AOL a number of years ago by apparently demonstrating that his IQ wasn't too much greater than his age.

It's really sad when someone doesn't have anything better to do than disrupt the lives of other people who wish to communicate in a more civil, adult manner.

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), March 13, 2000.

Spam doesn't bother me. I can sift through the garbage. Laura, I can't tell who is who anymore, but if it is you that continually brings up the alternative names of imposters, maybe--just maybe, that could be setting them off?

If someone chooses to remain anonymous, it is nobody's business but their own. Judge people by what they say, not "who" they are. We are all nobodys. Does anyone really give a shit? Not me.

Back on TB2000, I stood up for you when *sigh* posted your home phone # and name. Whether it was real or not doesn't matter. It COULD have been. Mz. Sigh had no right to post that crap. Additionally, she had no right to post peoples IP#'s. If she had a beef, it was HER job as administrator to take care of it. Not continually make it a "board" problem.

It's just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth. OTBFR, you have my vote to ignore the spam. I don't believe it's censorship to cut the repetitive posts. Who knows though. They might get off on it and spam even more.

-- (doomerstomper@usa.net), March 13, 2000.


Respectfully, you don't know what you don't know (how could you?) and I can't explain anything more today.

(Thanks for sticking up for me at TimeBomb though. That was very nice of you.)


You don't know what you're talking about.

I've asked you before not to direct any of your comments to me, and I'll ask you again. You don't talk to me, and I won't talk to you. Deal? I already scroll past your posts, and I suggest you do the same with mine.


-- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 13, 2000.

LL posted her phone number herself.

-- Just (making@point.here), March 13, 2000.


I'm sure I shouldn't respond here, just a question (obviously, only if this is LL?) Was that your response to me the other evening or a troll imposter?

I refer to: Shut the F*** U* Michael.

If it was you, explain. If it wasn't, ignore.

Just asking?

-- Michael (michaelteever@buffalo.com), March 13, 2000.


Are you serious? A home phone etc was published on old TB2K?

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 13, 2000.

I was unaware of any suggestion that I not address your posts, Laura. I tend to skip many posts due to the quantity of "Laura" imitators.

In this case, however, it appears to be the REAL you addressing Old Regular with suggestions that don't solve anything. As Deb has indicated, IP addresses show only PARTIAL addresses of worth. I might remind you that on Debunkers you were privy to all IP addresses, yet you STILL thought that folks were somehow OTHER folks. The truth is that MOST posters don't even care WHO folks are. We're looking for content. It doesn't matter who posts that content.

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.thingee), March 13, 2000.

Well said Anita!!

-- Michael (michaelteever@buffalo.com), March 13, 2000.

Anita, Netghost was only one I got wrong at DeBunker's because she's rerouting when she logs on. I was guessing at everyone at Biffy because it DOESN'T have IP's.

Until you're stalked, and imitated, you can't possibly understand.

Furthermore, I addressed that very issue in this post earlier:



When IP addresses are displayed, you CAN tell one poster from another. Furthermore, when you can tell one person from another, you don't need to find out what their names are, because in a sense, you (and everyone else) "know" who that person is. It eliminates guessing games, it keeps everyone honest.


-- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 13, 2000.

Now I ask you kindly once again, please don't talk to me anymore.


-- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 13, 2000.

Yeah Unc -- it supposively was pulled from the archives, posted originally by LL, and pulled back to life by *sigh*. Who knows who the LL was that posted it.

Doesn't matter. A sysop has no biz doing that crap, even if it was a repost.

-- (doomerstomper@usa.net), March 13, 2000.

That's true. I posted it back in early November sometime when I was scared out of my wits and wanted to network with other single women.

Diane was so pissed about my spamming, a little while back, she actually went back in the archives and dug it out and posted that, and what she thought was my real name.

Guess when I stepped up my spam attacks? :o)

(Thanks again, doomerstomper. It was nice of you to be so chilvalrous.)

OHMYGOD!! Are you....

Oh, no.... Now I'm going to have to go back and check the files to see who you are. The suspense is killin' me.


-- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 13, 2000.

I liked the part about 'killin'.

-- Porky (Porky@in.cellblockD), March 14, 2000.

Porky, why are you so cranky?

I've never wished you any ill-will, so I don't know where your anger's coming from.

Have a good day anyway.


-- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 14, 2000.

First of all, on this type of bulletin board, you're going to have spammers

isn't that you

-- Sir Richard (richard.dale@onion.com), March 14, 2000.

No, Sir Richard. I've never spammed this board, and I never will. I only spammed TimeBomb.


Did you say this a couple weeks ago?

"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun."


-- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 14, 2000.

yes but you're still a spammer, you're at home on this BB so you don't spam it

PS how many other old TBy2k spammers are posting or lerking here

-- richard (richard.dale@onion.com), March 14, 2000.


I have no idea how long ago that was. Surfed alot of miles since then :-) I don't save them. There is little point in looking though. The "name" I used was SOTM (spur of the moment)

I assure you I am nobody that you would be interested in. We have never conversed email or otherwise in the past.

To keep the "sins of the past" in the past, wouldn't it be best to give this board new life? I do understand your anger. Just speak your mind here. Same as the rest of us. There is little reason to wonder who is who, because we are all equal. Mutual respect.

Personally, I don't care to be dragged into past flame wars. I never kept up with them. [unless they were a good laugh - non-malicious] It serves no purpose to drag them to this new board. We can spot the idiots here and we all have more than expressed our willingness to stick up for you. Let's not make OTBFR's job any harder than it is.

Whoever said spammers will crop up and die away again, had it right. They'll get bored as long as we don't feed them ;-)

-- (doomerstomper@usa.net), March 14, 2000.

Dearest Laura,

No one will deny that you - the "nice" LadyLogic - have been a notorious spammer, not only in the "old" TB forum, but even the uncensored Biffy and Debunkie forums. Even you - the "real" LadyLogic - will not deny your childish tirades against Diane, calling her out for s spitwad/pea shooter fight, etc. From my chair, it appears that you and they - the "real" and the "fake" and any other LadyLogics out there - are just trolls.

I know we should let bygones be bygones, and I think it's good that they gave you a new start here - don't blow it!

You have gotten far more attention than you deserve. You have contributed nothing of value to this forum. You are a sick individual. If you had anything of value to say, you would straighten up, assume a new name, and start contributing something of value. Cut the excuses and get with the program!

-- Village Idiot (ladylogic@is.sick), March 14, 2000.

"tirades against Diane, calling her out for s spitwad/pea shooter fight, etc."

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I'm so tough!

You forgot my cyberbullets...


(By the way, your wrong, again. I never spammed anywhere except TB. But as an anon, it's obvious you feel it's Ok to lie about anything.)

(Oh, and keep this up please; I just love your attention.)

-- Laura (Ladylogic@...), March 14, 2000.

Laura is so funky with her obsessive attempts to eliminate any female 'competition' on any board.

Kinda like a Stevie NicksxCourtney Love.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), March 14, 2000.

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