Tim McVeigh on 60 Minutes RIGHT NOW (CST & EST). A MUST WATCH!greenspun.com : LUSENET : TB2K spinoff uncensored : One Thread
This is a MUST WATCH interview. He is asked at one point, "Is it acceptable to use violence to express dissatisfaction with the government?" His response: "If we look to the U.S. government for our example, the answer would have to be YES."
-- Dennis (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 12, 2000
No, he did not say that. He said that government uses violence, as in the Sudan, Afganistan, Belgrade and the death penalty. When asked again if it was OK for citizens to use violence, he said that he would let his answer stand.
-- (email@example.com), March 12, 2000.
Poli Sci 101:
What is government? Government is the legitimate use of violence.
Nobody elected Timothy McVeigh to anything.
-- kermit (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 12, 2000.
Can you say, "MK Ultra, Boys and Girls?" I knew that you could. "60 Minutes" was all about mind control tonight. On another board, Zog mentioned that he believed that the shootings would begin again because of the gun control bills that were up for a vote in Mid- April. I maintain that McVeigh on the tube was a "signal" to trigger the next set of hits.
God save us.
-- (email@example.com), March 12, 2000.
Remember the survey on the old Forum? Most of the respondents were a little younger than me (55) but solidly middle class (even those who claimed "wild Hare/hair exemption). Young McVey is a product of the Heartland. He's a different generation than most of us-he's the product of what we've built. It would not be a bad idea to listen to what the boy is saying, whether we agree or not. I am afraid that the ideals of the sixties and seventies were transmuted in our successors. Most of us were raised in a culture that stressed law and working within a system. Our children were exposed, rightly or wrongly, to a different matrix and were moulded (with our without our consent) in a different configuration. This young man may be on the far edge of the curve, but I believe we are seeing in him the outline of a frightening template, one which we helped to create. It's too late to re-write history, but we can have a hand in turning it around- and to do so we must understand what we're dealing with.
-- mike in houston (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 12, 2000.
mike in houston, a very cogent observation. I'm afraid you are right.
-- NH (email@example.com), March 12, 2000.
Hey Dennis, did you make a wrong turn? On this forum, certified fools like you are never taken for their word. You have a history of twisting the truth to fit your agenda. Unlike Eds place, the folks here will question your words and call you out when you are bulls**ting, which is most of the time. BTW, hows your internet adoption service doing these days?
-- Ra (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 12, 2000.
Mike in Houston, you bring up some interesting points. Many in my age bracket were raised with the "law and order" mindset. I don't see the propensity for violence and lack of coping abilities, as being restricted to a specific generation or age bracket.
In my contacts with a diversity of people, I find many many GOOD people, who would be a great inspiration to us all. Unfortunately there are some who are the reverse, and have no remorse, fear, or guilt, for anything they do. These are the ones who we need to be concerned about.
-- suzy (email@example.com), March 12, 2000.