Jim Lord's final say on Y2k -> hilarious!

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-- Lurker (lurker@lurk.lurk), March 09, 2000


Who is Jim Lord?


-- Stephen Roy Brown (fannybubbles@usa.net), March 09, 2000.


-- (doomerstomper@usa.net), March 09, 2000.

Jim Lord was a Y2K doomer; in particular, he was the guy who published the "Pentagon papers" and talked often about how the power grid was going to go down any minute.

I wonder what country lost 50% of its power? I never heard anything about any country having this problem, and I have a hard time believing it could have been kept secret.

-- Lurker (lurker@lurk.lurk), March 09, 2000.

Link< p> "but Id like to move on. There are plenty of other fish in need of frying."

Or...chickens to feather...sheeps to shear...

-- Lurkess (lurk@lurk.lurk), March 09, 2000.

I actually E-mailed Jim Lord once. I think it was in 1998. He'd written one of his Westergaard articles and it related to natural gas...something about if your local system is gravity driven, you would NOT lose gas if you lost power. We have a fireplace that is gas-driven and most folks simply put those decorative fake logs in place and turn on the gas. I was curious to learn if the same principles applied for fireplaces, which weren't mentioned in his article.

He never responded.

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.thingee), March 09, 2000.

ROFL Lurkess!!!!! Oh yeah - and flocks that need a good fleec'n :-)

-- (doomerstomper@usa.net), March 09, 2000.

I'm sure I'll be critized, but my opinion is a little different, here's a copy of what I posted on TB2000 on ezboard a few minutes: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I concur.

To both Jim and Ed, the effort to educate people to the the possible disruptions, were the code not to be fixed or at least "worked around" I'm sure became an almost full time job.

Thanks to your efforts, no matter how it is viewed in retrospect, many people took it seriously. This may, when some college student in the future does the research prove to be one of the more valuable contributions to disaster being averted for the time being. Who knows what the future holds??

I for one, based on the info available to me, don't regret for an instant what I did to make my family safer and more aware.

I really liked shopping only once since the beginning of the year to rotate stock, stopping every few days to pick up basic necessities, milk, and the such.

I'll never go back to how I lived before, for that, I'm grateful to Y2K.

-- Michael (michaelteever@buffalo.com), March 09, 2000.

Well, I guess I get to be the "moderate" on this thread [grin].

I'll say THIS, about "Lord Jim" (as those in the debunker camp refer to him), if the following is true, well, O.K., we all make mistakes:

"Consider this: I used my own name throughout the Y2K drama knowing full well I could be completely wrong but willing nonetheless to lay all my cards out on the table for all to see. I took on a high level of personal financial risk because I believed in what I was doing. After nearly four years of 100-hour weeks, I would be happy to trade bankbooks with any of those brave-hearted critics. Did I make a profit on Y2K? You betcha! I made hundreds of wonderful friends Ill never forget. I learned I can write to a deadline and be effective doing so. I found out I was able to write a book. (I have a series of six more in process.) I discovered Im a pretty effective public speaker and that I enjoy standing up in front of a crowd. I learned how to think on my feet (and take criticism) in publica thrill when you can get away with it. Plus, you have to realize I am decidedly an old dog. Learning these tricks at my advanced age not only defies logic, it completely confounds my family."

The role history eventually assigns to Jim--regarding the "Y2k saga"-- will depend much upon those who attempt to analyze why he wrote what he wrote and for what reason.

There will be plenty of takers in that regard. What a story.


-- FM (vidprof@aol.com), March 09, 2000.


Somehow, I don't think the data currently available support this. Kind like saying a hurricane is going to strike, and getting LOTS of people to board up their windows, and it turns out to be a mild drizzle. And THEN turning around and claiming that it was all that *window board* that "averted" the hurricane. Uh, right.

Then again, I recognize that on the Censorboard, you gotta say what you gotta say.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), March 09, 2000.


I'm not going to say I'm not very happily surprised and appreciative of what has transgressed since the "Century Date Change".

Frankly, I'm thrilled. My point is that I'm more content now that I have a "supply" of things I use and need close at hand. My shopping lists are shorter and more focused. If being a "doomer" meant I can enjoy the way I'm living now, so be it, I'm a doomer, a happy one.

And, as far as your not being able to post on that forum, I have and still totally disagree, if you review my posts there, I'm sure you will notice I felt an injustice was being done, and said so.

We don't have to have the same viewpoints on things, but our discourse should have a voice. I, for one, change how I look on things "all the time" based on the new info I receive. I thought even if you were "kicking the anthill", the issues should have been as important as the thoughts you were conveing. Good, Bad or indifferent.

A dissenting voice, no matter how much despised, should have the opportunity to be heard. (Not that you were despised, mind you) OK, I guess someone must have felt that way, just not me.

Anyway, time to move on.

-- Michael (michaelteever@buffalo.com), March 09, 2000.


You may not have seen it, but the issue of why and HOW we are all so thrilled was one I attacked in some detail on my thread "Why didn't Italy melt down?" And fortunately some people who back their opinion with actual knowledge contributed to that thread as well.

If you'd like to read that essay (yes, it's mine so it's long) and contribute your reaction, we'd all be better off.

(And yes, I'm glad I prepared as well. See Decker's thread on preparing for a meltdown)

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), March 09, 2000.

Thanks Flint, I've been somewhat remiss, haven't kept up with all the postings lately, I'll check it out.

-- Michael (michaelteever@buffalo.com), March 09, 2000.

"Or...chickens to feather...sheeps to shear... "

Funny how those who take delight in calling everyone else "sheeple" were themselves sheared.

I hear the world will end at the Mayan calendar rollover. Bend over.

-- Lurker (lurker@lurk.lurk), March 09, 2000.

I thought Jim Lord handled himself well when I saw him on a local (Seattle area) TV show. His approach of being prepared with 6 months food made more sense than all the "Pollies" on the show who simply repeated "three days food & water." Frankly, I have NEVER had only 3 days food in my house (or my parents' house when I was a child), and consider such instructions equivalent to saying "have nothing."

I met Lord briefly at a preparedness expo. He seems a straight talking, decent guy. Many of us underestimated the severity if the "rollover," but he seems to be doing less flip-flopping after the fact than some. I have 25 years in the power industry, and from my (Generation) viewpoint, it was a big question mark right up until "the night." We were pretty sure most of our machines would run, but remote systems and switching control were unknowns.

Although 1/1/2000 was not the "trigger event" many expected (it would have been, if we had had trouble keeping the lights on, and people had run in panic to the banks), being prepared is still a good idea. It is ALWAYS a good idea.

It is funny (but I'm not laughing) that many of the same government "authorities" who were telling us "three days food," were battened down in their bunkers on the rollover. I find Jim Lord refreshingly honest by comparison.

Never a Boy Scout, but I like their motto.

-- Hamilton Felix (skagity2k@hotmail.com), March 09, 2000.

Having worked in the industries Lord was fond of critizing, I can only say that he always struck me as being full of BS.

What I could not stand about him was his (and others) insistance that SOME problem would bring things down. Pin him down on something, make him admit it wasn't a problem, and BINGO, off to the damn races with some other POS.

OF COURSE he can dream it up faster than you can discredit it. That only proves he has a good imagination.

-- XXXX (x@x.x), March 09, 2000.

Ya, lurker. I hear there has been a "U.S. Senate Committee"--formed on the "Mayan calendar rollover" issue. [grin] The issue is JUST SO COMPELLING that a small body of 100 senators who represent constituents in the 50 states that comprise the United States of America decided it was in the interest of the general public to forum such a committee. [grin]

Flint and Michael,

Our collective need for constructive debate is why there is still the occasional "filibuster" on Capitol Hill.

Time-honored rules there still apply: In two words--CIVIL DISCOURSE.

Same was most notably absent from the TB2000 forum in its latter days and also absent from the "Y2k Debunked" forum and lately "Biffy."

In short, the Internet remains--for a while, at least--"The Wild, Wild West" with regard to who is really WHO, etc.

History teaches us, however, that--for better or worse- "civil discourse" will usually succeed in retaining the most converts.

This of course, partially depends upon whether those dedicated to teaching the elements of communicating in this fashion live long enough--or care to "hang around long enough" to do so.

I suspect that "Web-historians" will someday record the names of those who used this new medium to widely disseminate their Y2k opinions, as part of the general "Y2k Knowledge Base."

If so, it will make for many discussion topics among the "egg-heads," and those whose lives were changed by their decisions to not only offer up this new way of communicating, but provide a means for "lay-people" like Jim Lord to become such an ascendant content provider that he attracted the interest of the Associated Press.

'Tis a good thing, by the way. Free expression of opinion, that is.


-- FM (vidprof@aol.com), March 09, 2000.

So nothing is happening? Buy gas lately?

-- Uncle Bob (unclb0b@aol.com), March 09, 2000.


Debate? Civil discourse? We are talking folks who "milked" many and contributed to a ridiculous situation where the Banking Industry for one, had to spend untold millions countering the likes of a Jim Lord et al. Need I go further on all the terrific BS inspired by all who "think" it was sensible to spread utter crap across the world via forums like these. You wonder why many of us Debunkers showed heat? You try "reasoning" with folks so wrong most would not even bother answering such nonsense. From my seat the thing was a comedy mostly. How on earth some concluded TEOTWAWKI was approaching over some dating glitch was hillarious.

Look, most here(TB2000) were not even in the same Galaxy on Y2k prognostication. Us Debunkers were as dead-on correct a group as could be found and were bad-mouthed at every opportunity by many so-called G-et I-ts. Were we Angels? course not. But when your opposition is in the form of a Garee North, Ed Yourdon, Michael Hyatt, or Jimbo, am I supposed to show these yo-yos respect?

I think it time many here came to grips with the very real fact MOST of Y2k was a freaking HOAX. Not all, but to think otherwise is to pass a great chance to examine how one could have been so wrong. You were fooled by your own laziness, your own lack of Faith. For well over 2 years the best minds on Wall Street alone were telling you to relax over WHY-2-K. You think YOU knew better? What "made" you think such? Why would rational AMERICANS follow a confirmed anti-FREEDOM jerk like a G.North? What will be the next ISSUE a small group of petty profiteers will fool you with?

-- Stephen Roy Brown (fannybubbles@usa.net), March 10, 2000.

This has to be the stupidist thing I have ever read "I think it time many here came to grips with the very real fact MOST of Y2k was a freaking HOAX".

I don't recognize your name, but you were probably a regular around here, one of the doomers who was also a sheeple. Then when your expictations that it would all come down on CDC failed you became a polly come lately. Its going to take a while before things get to a ten, but they are slowly heading that way. But, I suspect you know that and this is just your way of hiding behind your fears.

-- ,-, (comma@dash.comma), March 10, 2000.

Flint, you have made my day. Now that I understand that by selling our stock when it was jammin', and *losing all that money*" we helped prevent the "crash", the meltdown, etc., I don't feel so bad. And I'll tell all my relatives in Florida not to gripe about putting up boards, cause that's preventing hurricanes. Best analogy I've heard yet.

But how does this explain all those poor countries, who didn't, couldn't, or wouldn't spend millions to remediate, and they seem to be doing just fine. Glitches sure; they happen everyday anyway.

Stephen Roy Brown, thank you for saying what needed to be said. I was one of the fools that fell for FUD, in spite of my own normally, sane self. And why did I fall this time? Mainly because in my personal life I've had nothing but trouble with computers, both in the work place and at home. Then when an IT professional like Yourdon and Lord, refinforced this idea, I was hooked. Granted, I discounted the likes of Hyatt and North as they had profit motives and a religious agenda that I didn't trust. But I bought in to my insecurities. After all when someone moves to New Mexico and changes their entire lifesyle, it does get your attention. There was also the guy in Calif. that I read, and took to heart. He was on TV at one time.

It's one of the hardest things in the world to admit that you've made a major decision which was, not only wrong, but BAD wrong, and you to feel you were duped, and now you have to live with it makes it worse.

For you who keep saying get over it and quit whining; I'll get over it, but it will take a little time, and as for whining, I'm not; I'm bitching about the fact that "MOST of Y2K was a freaking HOAX." Finally, it was just a case of fear dominating my good sense. I thank my lucky stars I never tried to influence anyone else.

I will never forget New Year's eve when every country, including those that aren't #1 (sarcasm) like the US, just sailed through TEOTWAWKI, with firecrackers blasting and lights blazing in one of the most spectacular events I've seen on New Years eve. Was I glad everything was OK? You BET! But it was with a sickening feeling in my stomach that I'd been had.

I'm lucky we didn't buy more stuff, and I'm also lucky I don't have a husband that reminds me everyday about this, for he cheerfully went along with my temporary insanity.

LL you were right about MEMES. If I'd listened to LL, Flint, Decker, etc., I'd be in better shape today.

-- gilda (jes@listbot.com), March 10, 2000.

Are people still falling for this?

He also said that one major Asian country (revealing the identity would endanger a source) lost 50 percent or more of its electrical power during the rollover. How close this country came to a cascading total collapse is uncertain. The incident was not made public by their (or our) government for unknown reasons. I have good reason to believe it involved national security. I do know the identity of the country, and I agree that keeping the information under wraps was necessary.

Umm, excuse me, but wouldn't it be fairly hard to hide this from at least 50% of that countries population?

Exactly how would revealing the country reveal a source? Is this some 5 person country?

Are people really still buying this BS?

PS: Good to see you, Doc.

-- Hoff (hoff_meister@my-deja.com), March 10, 2000.

Was there ever a more sanctimonious mouth breather than Lord in all of Y2K - Doomer land - aside from Stevie "always wrong" Heller of course.

Lord Twit continues to extol the virtues of the still invisible "Mr. Ceo" a figment of his vivid end-of-the-world imagination with the following:

"Mr. CEO indicated there are still Y2K problems occurring in utility companies but they are being handling without major incident so far. He also said that one major Asian country (revealing the identity would endanger a source) lost 50 percent or more of its electrical power during the rollover. How close this country came to a cascading total collapse is uncertain. The incident was not made public by their (or our) government for unknown reasons. I have good reason to believe it involved national security. I do know the identity of the country, and I agree that keeping the information under wraps was necessary."

A "major" Asian country lost 50 per cent or more of its power during roll-over and nobody noticed? Please. Nobody in that country noticed that they were without power? Not one media organization - all primed and looking for just this thing - noticed either? Lord can't even divulge the country without giving up his "source"? - as if only one person knew?

The Doomer literati (now theres an oxymoron for ya) would have pounced on this "fact" in a second if they were even a smidgen of truth to the story - and they didn't - cause there wasn't
-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), March 10, 2000.

Talk about "come-latelys" !!! "Comma, dash, comma", you, sir or madam, seem to be the "come-lately" around here.

SRB, aka Doc Paulie, good to see you here! Am I the only one who got what "Doc Paulie" meant (I think)?

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), March 10, 2000.


What "Congressional Record" do you read, FM/MM??

Since the days of the smearing of Alexander Hamilton *and* Aaron Burr to today, the Congressional Record would have another view of "Civil Discourse".

You seem to forget that some of the worst abuses come from the floor of Congress where the Members have "immunity" do say *anything*.

But even outside of Congress, "civil discourse" does not preclude the need to expose the facts about the positions of people who took it upon themselves to "guide others" vis a vis Y2k with "gossip", rumors, smears, and non-subtle hints of conspiracy theories thrown in.

As noted above, Mr. Lord's M.O. is well known, when questioned as to fact.............CHANGE THE SUBJECT. Hint about the "persecution' or "cover up". Then when questioned, he would do his "I'm Mr. Sincerity" and I'm just doing this for my family.

GREAT ACT but it failed as he now folds his Y2k Tent to the accolades of Hyatt and even EY who cites this last Lord as "great article.....".

WHO is doing the "covering up" and the Historical Revisionism now?

Why even bother discussing Lord? The answer is not that Lord was "important" for he surely was not.

What became important as were so many other things in Y2k Fear Mantras is (that like Lord GAREE')... that ONE or more of his "ideas" got re-distributed with the speed of electrons and then "re-cast or re-molded" for others to use.

TIME AFTER TIME. And when you finally do the "spadework" to get back to the Prime Source of the "idea" you end up with...........The Y2k Wizard of What?..... OZ? or.....Propaganda and Sales Pitches for Products??

Again, if all their "predictions' and "guesses" failed, IS IT POSSIBLE, just POSSIBLE that not only were their facts "NOT facts but something else and their hands "Less than Clean"??

And from that one learns what needs to be done in the future.

*IF* your sources of information are polluted what good are they?

NOT that hey would ever, ever do it but....if GM put out a brochure claiming that ONLY the Chevvy was a safe car for your family and it was disguised as some "independent study group", what would you believe? Would you check or get in your Le Baron and trade it at once for a nice safe "prudent" Chevvy??

The anology is not that silly. People were advocating that you get away from large Metro areas and burbs (the LeBaron) and move to "the country" because of Y2k.

Now the Open Market, Ford and Chrysler with some lawyers would end such a thing.

In Y2k, who stood up to the Wizards of OOOZE and said "that Emperor got no clothes on now, do he?". Those who did were reviled as "pollies". And who supplied the Revilers with "ammo"??

This forum almost singlehandedly shows that in the absence of *censorship* the abuse of the Net by propagandists and shills can be halted.

It is not "wrong" to question both the positions and the motives of those espousing their Y2k or any other "position". The self promotion and hype of the self appointed Experts of Y2k opens them to complete examination, (especially if they take money for anything). If the threat of a food shortage is noted by one expert in Y2k is the fact that he also sells storage foods not relevant? The end point of Lord's latest that he "did not get rich of Y2k" is merely dodging the issue. HE TRIED TO. He did not waltz around in sack cloth and ashes with a sign crying "Prepare for Y2k". He sold newletters and **TRIED** to charge for his appearances. His lack of revenue becomes a tribute to his own abilities. .

How far back shall we go to examine Brother Lord's Y2k "work"? xxxxxxx


LORD: (Gary's Edition)::::: More than thirty million people in the United States are likely to be without water after January 2000. Nearly two thirds of those affected will be in the big cities. http://www.garynorth.com/y2k/detail_.cfm/4168 -- March 22,1999 OR

http://www.jimlord.to/secretsurvey.cfm Secret Government Study Reveals Massive Y2K Problems in American Cities How many days could New York City survive without water and sewer services? How long would it take to evacuate eight million people in the dead of winter? Would thousands die in the process? Tens of thousands? More? When would the rioting and looting begin? How many National Guard troops would it take to control the largest city in the nation? What unthinkable devastation would be wrought on the global financial system? How might our enemies seize on the ensuing panic and confusion?


PUBLIC SCHOOLS?? from GARY: 1999-02-12 11:17:53 Subject: Jim Lord Warns: Public Schools Are in Trouble. Home School Alternative Link:http://y2ktimebomb.com/Tip/Lord/lord9906.htm Comment: Jim Lord recognizes recognizes how far behind the public schools are. In y2k repair, too. He recommends home schooling. He is a Mormon. Generally, Mormons have been advocates of public schools. They provide early morning religious training off campus for their high schoolers. So, his suggestion is not part of a conspiracy against the public schools......... xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

LORD was exposed about the Navy Papers on the TB I by Steve Davis and leading Doomers defended Steve Davis as to veracity after the usual screaming banshees called him a "shill". Following the Steve Davis thread, the "issue" vanished from the TB I scene revived only by periodic spasms from the usual asking "does this prove what Lord has been saying all along?"

Outside of the North/TB I people few bought the Lord Navy story except Brother Hyatt. http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001Gxa and lesser lights like Martin: http://www.egroups.com/group/roleigh_for_web/1226.html?

Even the FREEPERS doubted it: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37bbfce303bd.htm

After the Navy, we all got "Mr. CEO". We would all be lucky it was claimed if 45% of the power utilities could function. Now we get that one *unnamed country* lost 1/2 his power.

REALLY? Was it TONGA? Did 1/2 the Candles and campfires go out as they celebrated as the first nation to welcome 1/1/2000?

Where was this MYSTERY NATION? The Cook Islands? Fiji?

BBBBBut......"Mr. Sincere" says "Mr. CEO" says that ....ETC.

Steve Davis detailed the train of events that Lord then called "very curious". (That John K. could respond so fast.) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [civicprep] Navy Assessments Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:13:42 -0400 From: "Steve Davis" steve@davislogic.com To: "civicprep" civicprep@4hlists.org

>From the Civic Preparedness discussion list. To post messages to this list, address them to civicprep@4hlists.org. -------------------- ----------

I have gotten to what I think is the bottom of this issue. This information comes directly from John Koskinen.

In summary: The Navy report referenced by Mr. Lord was on a web site publicly available until a few weeks ago (not just to people passing along "secret government documents"). The report reflected an attempt by the armed services to begin to collect assessment information about infrastructures in the areas in which we have bases. Like everyone else, the services were having a lot of trouble earlier this year getting people to tell them anything. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

With the release of Steve Davis's statement the "facts" that Lord was going to reveal were "delayed". Then when the Navy replaced the information with a more complete set, Lord screamed "coverup". But now we get is wasn't a rigorous study. Well if it was "the Smoking Gun" in August, how come its ot a rigorous study now?

For some of us in the world of the Moderate Non-Doomers, the question was whether to "bother with Lord" at all since he was as someone noted online the bit players in a 3rd rate play.

HINT: first Lord trumpets a page from a web site as "information the Navy is keeping from the American public as too dangerous for them to have" He got all huffy and puffy about the "need to know". Later in his Hyatt piece we discover what John K. tried to make clear in a quote from what Loser'sWire had supposedly obtained by Freedom of Information (big deal he sent an email request and got an answer). Lord then details the "nature" of the Navy paper he made such a "big deal about". READ IT in Lord's own words:

"........Further documentation obtained at the last minute by Y2KNewsWire (via the Freedom of Information Act) throws light on this issue. These documents reveal that the Navy Department did not conduct a meaningful utility assessment in the first place. All they did was send out a bunch of letters asking the utilities about their Y2K status. In most cases, responses were simply accepted at face value without any serious follow up. There is no evidence that crack teams of technical experts conducted detailed technical surveys to root out the status of these critical utilities.

I spent 24 years in the Navy. During those years I saw a lot of administrative drills conducted just to get check marks in the right boxes. In the military some things are done because they have value but sometimes you just go through the motions in a half-hearted attempt to throw something together for those idiots in Washington. The Navy Utility Survey was a classic admin drill.

In retrospect it looked imposing, but it was useless as any valid measurement of the Y2K status of the nations utilities. Why did the government lie about the report after it was made public? They had to in order to keep the lid on Y2K and protect the banking systemalways their top priority. Besides, it's in their natureafter all, their lips did move."

SO NOW, its a what?


"......the Navy Department did not conduct a meaningful utility assessment in the first place. "

SO, here we have "Expert" LORD de-bunking his own "SMOKING GUN" or his "NAVY PENTAGON PAPERS" that were such a big deal when Lord Jim Trumpeted them to the skies.

So, is LORD the "insider with the facts" who "really knows what is going down" or what?

The answer is self evident and you can stand to read enough of Lord on the Westergaard site and see the rest of his "presentations of facts" you come to understand the Wizard of Oz has little on Jim Lord.

If you can't understand that, be assured that there were many even in the Tech Illiterate Press who *could* understand this sort of stuff.

I just love it when they shoot themselves in their own hoof.

But then like the "Mr. CEO" nonsense of un-proved, unquantified, unidentified MALARKY of OPINION (not fact), HOOF AND MOUTH DISEASE IS A CHRONIC CONDITION for people like this.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), March 10, 2000.

Hi Charlie (cpr). I thought about answering you a couple of days ago, and then thought better about it, because I realized you were "baiting" me, in your usual fashion. I realized that if I responded to you, I would then need to respond to you again, etc., etc., etc.

Not going there. I don't have the time.

However, I will offer up this tiny "excerpt" from my forthcoming book. (Reply if you feel compelled to do so, which you probably will. Know in advance, however, that I'm done with this thread.)

DOOMSAYER PUSHES YEAR 2000 PANIC BUTTON WITH OLD DATA New York Times Abstracts, 08/22/1999

Jim Lord, former Navy officer turned Year 2000 doomsayer, posts Internet warning of massive Y2K problems in US cities, based on outdated Navy study; officials working on Y2K concerns debunk report.

So, was the fear banished by the Navys explanation? Yes and no. With so much the publicity and with so many lives at stake, one might assume that only the most suspicious minds would doubt the veracity of the Navys clarification. At the same time, however, it had been less than one year since the public had received a full frontal view of government spin in action, courtesy a cast of characters that included Ken Starr, Internet-based reporter Matt Drudge and a former unknown named Monica. The volume of people comfortable with using the words trust and government in the same sentence had most likely declined in previous months. And this was the Navy after all. Stalwart defenders of the American populace to be certain, but the memory of those over-priced toilet seats lingered long in the American psyche. Accordingly, many members of the the Y2k Underground continued squirreling away emergency preparations (generators, water, camping toilets, kerosene heaters, etc.) and discussing their long-term value in the event of any type of emergency, including threats to utilities from terrorists. Especially terrorists of the rodent variety. Squirrels as terrorists? Indeed.

(End of excerpt from "The Toilet Paper Chronicles, Chapter Four)


As usual,



-- FM (vidprof@aol.com), March 11, 2000.

Buddy, it's highly unlikely that SRB will reply because I doubt that it's Doc.

Stay tuned.

-- (There's @phonies.here), March 11, 2000.

For sure it's Doc.

-- Wallflower (dbspence@usa.net), March 12, 2000.

I do not know if this post was intended to drive traffic to Michael Hyatt's new site or not. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, until it is definitively proven to me that they are not worthy of my trust.

Either way, and I will await an answer, the followup to this thread is here:

http://pub5.ezboard.com/fyourdontimebomb2000.showMessage?topicID=1266. topic


-- FM (vidprof@aol.com), March 16, 2000.

Trying this again, because of vagaries associated with that board:

http://pub5.ezboard.com/fyourdontimebomb2000.showMessage?topicID=1266. topic


-- FM (vidprof@aol.com), March 16, 2000.

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