I'd never heard of British-Israelism until you brought it up in this forum. Perhaps I've lived in a closet, but it was new to me and it took me a while to get what you were saying. But I know it better now and I've read through your most recent post about a letter from Pontius Pilate, for which everyone slammed you. I decided to go to my favorite search engine and see what exactly this doctrine you teach is all about.

I found this site: http://www.melvig.org/faq.html

Not only is this site mostly quotes from racist white guys, but it horrifically twists the bible. Especially the "kind after its kind" reference from Genesis, as though racially distinct peoples can't produce any offspring. Mark, do you actually buy into this?

Here's a quick question: if the Anglo-Saxons are truly Israel, at what point did they determine that writing right-to-left should be changed to left-to-right, while those non-Israelite Khazars, as British-Israelism thinks of them, write in that fashion yet today? Pretty incredible that a people who for thousands of years fought to preserve their many traditions - especially their language - suddenly broke it off into something completely and utterly different. And more amazing still that those "non-Israelites" in the nation of Israel speak and write in pretty much the same language today as their forefathers did.

I believe it was Mark Winstead who debunked "Berith Ish" being the source for the word "British." I'll quote the American Heritage dictionary's sourcing for this word.

"Middle English Brittish, from Old English Bryttisc, relating to the ancient Britons, from Bryttas, Britons, of Celtic origin."

Interesting that they should mention Celts... so does the site I referenced above. Ill quote the sites author, Rick Savage.

"True Israel, the Germanic, Celtic, Scandinavian and kindred (white) peoples, have been a blessing to the world and continue to be at the for-front of fulfilling this duty."

Mark, do you really believe that the Celts are migrated Israelites? Let's see what an encyclopedia has to say about the Celts.

"The earliest archaeological evidence associated with the Celts places them in what is now France and western Germany in the late Bronze Age, around 1200 BC.

Isnt that a little early for your migration? But its important to keep reading.

In the early Iron Age, they are associated with the Hallstatt culture (8th century to 6th century BC), named for an archaeological site in what is now Obervsterreich (Upper Austria). They probably began to settle in the British Isles during this period."

This reference to inhabiting the British Isles during about the time of the 6th century, I think, plays into your argument about the timing of the Israelite migration. But the Hallstatt culture, though... what is that?

"Hallstatt was an early salt-mining community with mine shafts reaching to about 400 m (about 1300 ft) by the end of the Bronze Age. The Hallstatt culture was characterized by elaborate funeral rites, involving, at different stages of the epoch, both cremation and burial. The word HALLSTATT can be broken down into HALL, the Celtic word for salt, and STATT, the Celtic word for place. The Halstatt culture had settlements near the top of mountains rather than at sea level because it was marshy. It was customary for this culture to preserve its dead with salt and to bury the body then with clothes, food, barley and utensils. The presence of these items was to aid the dead body on its journey to the next world."

Does this sound like the true faith to you, Mark? Are you actually going to stick to this?

Mark, repent. You're wrong and if you would get your nose out from the literature of your teachers and into some solid research about Anglo-Saxon roots, you might see the error in which we see you. For what its worth, I'm both white and German and I reject this doctrine.

-- Anonymous, March 09, 2000

Answers

I don't think Mark buys into the other doctrines of the racist (and I am using the term correctly, Mark) Christian Identity movement, or not. I don't think he does. I would certainly hope not, anyway.

But it would scare the hell out of me if I found out that a "pet doctrine" of mine was also believed, and only believed, by neo-Nazis trying to put a religious spin on their racism and by cultic spinoffs of another (now former) cult. For me, that would be a serious red flag.

-- Anonymous, March 09, 2000

I will say it again.

This is not about superiority, racism.

This is about the word of God and His promises.

Why is it confusing to trace the people of Israel?

Because God said it would be.

(Hosea 2:6 KJV) "Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths."

(Hosea 2:7 KJV) "And she shall follow after her lovers, but she shall not overtake them; and she shall seek them, but shall not find them: then shall she say, I will go and return to my first husband, (Jesus); for then was it better with me than now."

Are there to be any signs left along the migration trail?

(Jer 31:20 KJV) "Is Ephraim my dear son? is he a pleasant child? for since I spake against him, I do earnestly remember him still: therefore my bowels are troubled for him; I will surely have mercy upon him, saith the LORD."

(Jer 31:21 KJV) "Set thee up waymarks, make thee high heaps: set thine heart toward the highway, even the way which thou wentest: turn again, O virgin of Israel, turn again to these thy cities."

No I do not sign on to the Aryans, seed of satan etc. except for what Jesus said re: the Jews, those that murdered him.

(John 8:44 KJV) "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

(John 8:45 KJV) "And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not."

I replied to the Pilate thread. Answer those questions.

I did find some sources at the Library of Congress re: the Letter from Pilate. I am not that well versed in computer stuff so I will have to figger it out as to haw to get the document. Probably have to buy a book.

-- Anonymous, March 13, 2000

Mark Hillyard, I have written before inquiring of you one question, and you have not ever replied to it. Why do you post British Israelism here, preach it even, to the forum members? What purpose do you hope to accomplish? Why is this false doctrine so intensely personal and important to you that you push it continuously? It reminds me of the old saying, "Your harp has only one string."

Why do you not retire graciously from inflicting this upon the forum members? They have shown you over and over that they do not accept this heretical teaching. So to what purpose do you persist?

Mark, I have previously suggested that you cease reading the pitiful literature of the BI movement, and instead use that time to immerse yourself in prayer and the straight, unadulterated Word of God. When there is a huge decision to be made, or something urgently important about which I feel called to pray, I make it a matter of prayer and fasting, keeping quietly to myself at home, other than the few times when I was blessed to be able to do this on a retreat. It is amazing how fresh the Word becomes then, how clarified the soul, and how profound the voice of the Lord.

-- Anonymous, March 15, 2000

Elaine,

(Rom 11:25 KJV) "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

(Rom 11:26 KJV) "And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:"

(Rom 11:27 KJV) "For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

-- Anonymous, March 19, 2000