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(Sorry to start a new thread, OldTB2K, but Archiver insists on cut and pasting and I don't want this buried.)

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Get a load of this Bitch

Someone asked me to explain why I said cpr is ignorant. I over-stated that a little bit because misguided is more accurate.

For months now, he's been supportive of a woman (Lisa) who has demonstrated an inability to understand even the simplest of instructions. (See DeBunker's for examples.) Today, she has demonstrated her disgust towards this forum and polly's in particular. I really don't understand this us vs. them attitude because we were all doomers at one time, but it doesn't matter what I think about it, there are people here who clearly think that way.

Lisa is one of them, and she's proven today how ugly she is. For the life of me I can't figure out why she would want to test the limits of this forum. I could understand that from Diane, but why Lisa? Do you have something personal against OldTB2K, Lisa? Or, do you have something against a community that is simply trying to decide what should be allowed, and what shouldn't. Don't answer me. I don't really care what you think.

At any rate, I used to think that cpr was a pretty smart guy. He's been right about a lot of things, and I thought his work should be put into a book, or at the very least archived at my universities. I even went out and bought a zip drive to do it. However, I noticed, cpr, that your thinking is flawed recently - in writing - and the archives seem pointless now. Somewhere I read that you thought that TB might be spamming their own place to "keep the pot stirred." That's the one conspiracy that wasn't going on there. I did it. Just me and Doomers@suck, nobody else. You should have e-mailed me to verify that before plastering it on the internet. You also stated recently that I wasn't a DeBunker. I don't know what the hell you meant by that, and don't really care, because I don't define myself in general terms. However, I have reduced the FUD by some small degree in Phoenix, and I'll never let you diminish that.

Of course, I'm going to get blasted with another round of "You're crazy!"...but so what. I'd rather be called crazy than mean like you and Lisa. You two belong together.


-- laura (Ladylogic46@aol.com), March 08, 2000


HEY. There are TWO "Lisas".

One is out in Far North East Texas (Texarkana) and seems to be the one you get tangled up with.

The other one is an I.T. professional near the Center of the greatest State who one would think would know better than to be taken in by the poppy cock that passed for information from the online doomzies she chose to hang with.

I never "supported" Lisa only her right to make a fool of herself on Debunky and Biffy. Every one of the other debunkers had another view.

Thats why I started the MEMETTE joke.

Recently, there is some evidence that there remains people who seem unable to accept the conclusion of Y2k even after 2/29/2000. Lisa may be one of them.

OR, she could also be another example of Madonna's song heroine: "Girls Just Want to Have Fun". In that case, she is jerking everyone's chain.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), March 08, 2000.

Not Madonna - Cindi Lauper (sp?) Madonna was the material girl who just wanted to have funds.

-- kermit (colourmegreen@hotmail.com), March 08, 2000.

Cripes, Charles!

I want to shake some sense into you!!!! (Shit, this is frustrating.)

lisa b. is the twit that was outed in that link, and the one in IT ind the medical field.

Liza Z. is the one I tusseled with, but have respect for.

You just can't get it. I KNOW who they are, and I know what they've both been doing.

Read the link again, it is by lisa b., and you've been played for a fool.

Get a load of this Bitch

If you still can't get it, I don't know what else to tell you.


-- laura (Ladylogic@.......), March 08, 2000.

I don't see the problem. Lisa likes to "jack with her irritators" here. So what? Lots of people do that here. It's all part of the uncensored environment. It's no big deal, really, since people can respond to her in kind (if they choose) without fear of being "banned" as in the old days.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), March 08, 2000.

Irregardless of which Lisa it is, her one comment is being overscrutinized, as was Flint's "kicking the anthill" comment. Everyone in some way "jacks with their irritators" at these forums. Why? Because we can.

I don't know why people keep getting in arms over this. Let's face it, this really isn't about people going after people. This is all about intenet personas. If we were all in the same room discussing the issues on these boards, we would have much more civil conversation and the doomer/polly labels would not be so easily tagged on one another. We definitely treat people differently when dealing with them over the net, as stereotypes seem to rule and the easiest way to deal with their stance is to instantly categorize them. For better or for worse, that is the nature of the internet beast.

Then again, if we were all in a room together, it is questionable as to whether or not there would be any discourse at all. We would all be too busy trying to disarm Hawk or stop LadyLogic from pressing the trigger on the bombs that she had strapped to her body.

-- CJS (cjs@noemail.com), March 08, 2000.

"(Sorry to start a new thread, OldTB2K, but Archiver insists on cut and pasting and I don't want this buried.)"

I can't keep up with everyone airing their personal relationships and bickerings and risking to turn this forum into a soap opera, but I'll ask you all not to use html in your signatures, as I've asked Possible Impact in this thread.

Allowing people to use HTML in their handle/names will open the door for more mechanical disruptions, as well as a can of worms as to what should be acceptable and what shouldn't. Thanks for your understanding.

-- Old TB2K forum regular (freespeech@yahoo.com), March 08, 2000.

Ok, Old TB, no problem!

Now, for the rest of you yahoos. Either you haven't paid attention or you don't care when someone gets jerked around in real life. I do. This is NOT just an internet relationship we're talking about here. He sees lisa in person. I'd hope you'd have the decency to tell someone if you knew they'd been duped for months.

cpr, Lisa Z is also in I.T. but she is a completely different person, as I'm sure you're aware, but maybe lost track of. Lisa Z's company has been refining bulletin board software, and probably some other things. She's NOT a doomer. lisa b. is. Furthermore, she doesn't yank people's chains like lisa b. does. Watch out mister, lisa b. is trash.

cjs, If Mr Polly and I hadn't broken up, I'd ask him to you a mean post in bolded letters that would be the equivalent of an ass-whoopin'.

As it is, I just have to settle for:



-- laura (Ladylogic@.....), March 08, 2000.


Was that pfffftttt from your white powdered butt or was that one of those raspberry sounds that you make with your mouth?

I have no beef with Mr. Polly, why bring him into this?

-- CJS (cjs@noemail.com), March 08, 2000.

OK, Psychobitch, you'll need to retract this "He sees lisa in person."

Never met anybody from TB in person.

Dang, and I'd promised I wouldn't rise to the bait.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), March 08, 2000.

{is mercury in retrograde, or sumthin'?}

-- * (***@__._), March 08, 2000.


Would you like to see me in person?

-- Tongue Emoticon (notdoing@nythingrightnow.com), March 08, 2000.

Yep-Mercury retrograde-way retrograde, until march 15th.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), March 08, 2000.

Well, well, well. Don't tell me cpr was smart enough NOT to meet you for lunch.

(Sorry, cpr. I wasn't giving you enough credit.)

lisa, you're a twit (change one letter of that word, and it'll be more accurate.)



I was joking. A bolded ass-whoopin' amounts to nothing.


(I already told you weeks ago; don't even think about my pretty, white, powdered butt.)


-- laura (ladylogic@.....), March 08, 2000.

Ok, I'll try it this way...




-- (ladylogic@......), March 08, 2000.


Excuse me for bringing this up, but I thought you had something worthwhile to contribute to this forum.

All this bickering and name-calling is beneath you. Besides, both Lisas are very nice people in my opinion!

-- Laura's-an Idiot (non@sense.con), March 08, 2000.

Lady, you started it by throwing the first punch, you called Lisa a "Bitch." So don't act innocent here, Lisa and anyone else you call a name has the right to defend themselves.

I cut and paste so it's on the record and the reader doesn't have to go back and forth from site to site. I'm being courteous to the reader.

Isn't it a scream that Laura says "how dare you mess with this forum!" Heh laura, what do you think you did at TB2000 for several months????


That's not a troll, that's someone telling the truth.

lisa, you are such a bitch. You've thought you could get away with playing with people's heads for too long now. How dare you mess with this forum. It was bad enough you pissed all over DeBunker's and Biffy, but doing it here is unforgivable ~*~

-- Laura (Ladylogic46@aol.com), March 08, 2000.

-- Archiver (Archiverr@archiverr.xcom), March 08, 2000.

I forgot to add more thing to my post above:

How dare you mess with this forum. It was bad enough you pissed all over DeBunker's and Biffy, but doing it here is unforgivable ~*~

-- Laura (Ladylogic46@aol.com), March 08, 2000.

Laura, speaking of someone pissing all over DeBunker's and Biffy's that's a real hoot what you said. Wasn't it CPR that told you to get lost at Biffy's because you were ruining the board?

Laura. NO MORE. They will hassle you where ever you go. NO MORE HERE. OK??

Forum: Gary North is a Big Fat Idiot Forum Re: A note to Ladylogic (Laura) (cjs) Re: Ok. Date: Feb 03, 19:20 From: cpr


Don't waste space here. This place stays up to remind everyone the NORTH was a FOOL and A FAKE in Y2k for MONEY!!


OTHERWISE, Paul will shut this off to PASSWORD ONLY. PERIOD.

Where ever you go they are going to hassle you because to the Doom Zombies you are a TRAITOR.

ITs Deliberate on their part because they can't stand the exposure.

BUT.......you are killing the boards you post on and .....no one will listen to you anymore.



Beside, NO ONE IS LEFT ON EY's pit now. They went to HUMP the DUMB II and you have to sign in there to post.

Messages Inline: Outline:

3. Laura--Why Didn't You Take CPR's Advice?, Feb 08, 22:13 2. VERY politically correct there. WHEN will you tell her the truth? by JustLurking, Feb 04, 10:30 1. Your answer. by cpr, Feb 04, 14:02 (_ You can tell a person by the company they keep, Feb 04, 14:30 (_ YOU........live in **Cliches**. You can't tell **ANYTHING** from online posts. by cpr, Feb 04, 15:05 (_ WHAT THE ....? by Z, Feb 06, 15:21 1. My last post... by Laura, Feb 03, 20:05

-- Archiver (Archiverr@archiverr.xcom), March 08, 2000.

Welcome to: "All My Children"

Starring - ***Laura***...just itching for that 'Day Time Award'.

Co-starring - lisa@work...still not too late to turn it all around.

-- new slate (new@slate.here), March 08, 2000.

So, now, you own universities? "...or at the very least archived at my universities..."

-- Lovely Laura (lauras@an.idiot), March 08, 2000.


Did anyone ever tell you???

You're boring!

-- z (z@z.z), March 08, 2000.

z: Did anyone ever tell you don't have a sense of humor?

-- Archiver (Archiverr@archiverr.xcom), March 08, 2000.


Has anyone told you, you have no sense?

-- ($$$@$$$. cents), March 08, 2000.

Yes, we can turn it all around.

We (royal? huh?) will acknowlege Laura for her interesting, engaging writing skills and encourage everybody to bury whatever hatchet we've been dragging around... and get on with the news analysis.

The article that was published - today? - regarding OPEC's nearly year-long monthly BBL reduction needs work. Especially in light of rather trustworthy press we had indicating that many nations intended to stockpile refined distillates.... evidently only We, America, filled up the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (~60 days' unrefined product - didn't see any refined stockpiling) yet the world is short of refined.

Who did it, why, quo bono, when will this momentum end, and was it planned? Is this the big mojo emergency brake Greenspan was looking for? A short-term manipulation to ?????

Exactly when was the decision made to exclude fuel from the CPI?

Laura has an uncle who may be able to clue us in.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), March 08, 2000.

Nope, no one has ever told me that, as a matter of fact, lots of people come to me for advice! If you can't make sense out of my posts, maybe you should refrain from reading them.

-- archiver (Archiverr@archiverr.xcom), March 08, 2000.

"lots of people come to me for advice!"

Name four from this board, that posted on our old board, and I might believe you.

Na, I'll make it easy on you; make it three.

Otherwise, take your cut and past skills and vaporize!!!!

-- ($$$@$$$.cents), March 08, 2000.

It seems that our benevolent Ms. LL is just another oxymoron, contradiction in terms......call it what you like. It's like my two male friends (used to be my friends) who abandoned our friendship when they asked...and I told them...that I was voteing "yes" on Proposition 22 out here in CA. It seems that because I didn't agree with their "definition" of marriage, I was a horrid, disgusting, un- feeling homophobe! Imagine that, these guys have been my friends for years. They have come to family gatherings, taken care of my children, attended christenings...you name it....but because I don't support this particular cause....I'm an anethema on civilization. Lady Logic seems to have the same attitude. She has so much "education" that the "education" gets in the way of her thought processes. She is another example of confusion through education and indoctrination. An oxymoron of reality....not a bitch. She is an idiot in spite of herself...not because of herself.

-- John R. Smith (amazed@oxymorons.com), March 08, 2000.

"She has so much "education" that the "education" gets in the way of her thought processes."

Would you please show me an example of that? (I'm sure my esteemed professors would love to see you make your case; as would I.)

She is another example of confusion through education and indoctrination.

Would you please show me an example of that? (And may I ask, what indoctrination are you talking about? You need to be much more specific with your accusations, before you can talk to me again, John.)

An oxymoron of reality....not a bitch.

Thanks,...I think.

She is an idiot in spite of herself...not because of herself.

Oh, sure. That's easy for an anon "John" to say.

It's you and me, right here and right now. I'd gladly give my life to eradicate ignorant accusations like yours. I did a lot of work to graduate summa cum laude,... and be on the National Dean's List for four years in a row. What have you ever done that was outstanding in your life, "John"? Try to belittle an exceptional woman on the internet? Whoa,... hey!... you can tell all your friends you accomplished something!

Go away, you're boring me.


-- laura (ladylogic@......), March 09, 2000.

"...graduate summa cum laude,... and be on the National Dean's List for four years in a row."

You may be knowledgeable, but that doesn't mean you're smart.

-- point/counterpoint (Stupidis@sstupid.does), March 09, 2000.


LadyLogic and "exeptional woman" may be true in some way shape or form. But for you, not to recognize, how most folks who read this or any other forum you've posted on, consider that to be an oxymoron, is almost sad.

Do a little exploring into your past posts and actions, and try, I mean sincerely try to give me any rational explanation of your actions. Even a poor explanation would give me a better understanding how someone who claims to be so "educated" could act so boorish.

-- Michael (michaelteever@buffalo.com), March 09, 2000.


I'd love to give you an explanation, but that would require days, or weeks of my time to accumulate the nessary url's. Please, suffice it to know, I have been in other chatrooms than you probably haven't visited, and the people in THOSE rooms actually know who I am in real life.

How can I defend my r/t reputation, without giving away my identity?

It can't be done, so why should I try.

Please, in all honesty, I hope you have a good evening, Sir.


-- laura (ladylogic@......), March 09, 2000.

Center off, please.

-- (lady@......), March 09, 2000.


It, too, would take me weeks to find all the url's that describe the scathing diatribes and drivel that you spew on a more than regular basis. But in the spirit of "literary duelling", I will start with this... ...."I'm sure my esteemed professors would love to see you make a case"

This, Laura, is a perfect example of the "education" you so like to parade around in, but it lacks the experience required to make it work. You see, Laura...most, not all of course, of the professors I've known or dealt with in the last two decades are dysfunctional twits whom spend more time arguing over whose research project or job description (Title) is the most important, that they fail to realize no one even cares. The fact is, those of us out here in the real world laugh at the utter imcompetence of mainstream academia. You want me to make a case? I'll allow your own words and thought processes to condemn you, for you certainly don't require my help.

..."what indoctrination are you talking about? Be more specific in your accusations.."

I'll answer that after reviewing this...

..."It's you and me, right here right now. I'd gladly give my life to eradicate ignorant accusations like yours. I graduated suma cum laude and worked hard to be on the National Dean's list for 4 years in a row.."

Okay LL, such "tough" language. Ah...the mantra of the femme-Nazi's in the 90's and now 00's. Even the macho garbage of the male gender is being overtaken by the female warrietts. You want equality...that's a "no-brainer". You want equal pay for equal work...that's a "no-brainer". You want to be recognized and lauded for all the effort and "perserverence" endured by yourself on your way up the "ladder of success"...no-brainer. However, I got news for you, LL. For all your effort, and perseverence, and sanctimonious parables....for all your scathing diatribes and blistering rhetoric...for all your self-described revelations and omniscience...you are still just a scared, over-priviledged, over- educated, under-worked, and more importantly, under-loved woman. Why do you buy into the "politically correct" fantasy that "equality is equal". There is no such thing, never has been, never will be. Life isn't fair, it never will be. Let me continue....

Suma cum laude.....National Dean's list....

SO WHAT. I personally know more "C" students from college who have "A" student's working for them. I happen to fall into that category. Our "A" employees (students) are so caught up in the minutia, they can't seem to grasp the "big" picture. It's more the rule than the exception. They are barely making it because they would rather have the "title" than the reward. Most are social derelicts who are so involved in theorems, and analogs, and graphs, that they can't fathom how "real business" gets done. LL, are you beginning to understand YOUR INDOCTRINATION? The fact is, the more education you acquire through academia, the more of an idiot you become out in the real world. I spend several hours a year speaking to business and economics classes at the local university because the professors have come to realize something very important over the years...what is being taught in the classrooms and auditoriums of our distinguished and "esteemed" universities is "steer manure". So I come in and give them the truth, not the "theorem", or the "formula", or the "equation"...LL, you stay in this line of thought, and you will remain an unhappy, unsatisfied, unfulfilled, and selfishly empty vassel called a human being. And by the way, you are too afraid to give your life for anyone, for you are yet to find a life to sacrifice for. I'm, of course, continuing to hope for you.

Now, to address the last bit of your drivel... I have accomplished much to be proud...the least of which is to confront you on this medium we call "the net". You give yourself way too much credit...oh, that's right, you graduated suma cum laude. How rude of me not to realize your omnipotence and omniscience.

--I have a solid 6 figure income --I'm married to a "strong" yet submissive woman --I have three icredibly bright, beautiful, and benevolent children --I am a mentor over many men, woman, and children in my business, church and community. --I am active in many civic and community activities and am asked on a regular basis to speak on different issues of importance. --I own a beautiful home in the mountains, drive a pick-up...my wife get's the suburban --I come home and spend time with my wife and children. Have not watched a football game in years...rarely watch T.V. anyway. --I am active in fishing, hunting, play hockey, and carry a 4- handicap on the golf course. --And, finally, although I could go on...I'm 38 years old.

The bottom line LL...I'm content. By all that is grand and honorable and successful...in the "real world"...I have it all. I have reached the pinnacle of success. So don't begin to ask.."What have you ever done outstanding in life?", because I am honored and would be proud to share it all with you or anyone else with eyes to see and ears to hear and a mind to understand.....And by the way LL, I graduated from college with a 2.25 gpa and a B.S. in Plant Science. The fact is, most people would give ther life to have what I have....now, there's a cause for you? And boring....you say....I'm willing to bet that there are a million people out there who would beg to have what my boring self has....do you think they would beg to have your life?

In closing LL, I am actually sad for you more than anything. You find comfort and status in delerious attacks on those whom you consider weak or misinformed. It is apparent to those of us with some time, experience, and perhap's some wisdom behind us that you are a lonely, self-absorbed, highly insecure, and in need of a stable relationship with a real man...not a weenie. Or else, you are a man posing as a woman.....but then, it depend's on what the definition of "is" is....oh, that's right, wasn't Bill Clinton a Rhoads scholar???


-- John R. Smith (amazed@oxymorons.com), March 10, 2000.

You started it.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 10, 2000.

No I didn't, you did.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 10, 2000.

Hu-Uh, it was you who started it.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 10, 2000.

Was not, you're a jerk.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 10, 2000.

No I'm not, you are.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 10, 2000.

You are!

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 10, 2000.

No I'm not, you're the jerk. And you're stinky.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 10, 2000.

No I'm not, YOU'RE the stinky one.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 10, 2000.

And you started it first, stinky.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 10, 2000.

No I didn't, YOU started it first.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 10, 2000.

No I didn't.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 10, 2000.

Yes you did.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 10, 2000.

Shut up or I'll tell mom.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), March 10, 2000.


Let's see. J.R., you have to be CJS to be this angry with me. If I'm right, let me know, because I'd love to talk to you about this. If you're not, you're just another gutless anon wearing a white sheet and pointy hat and its pointless to discuss this with you.


Members of the room: Anonymous 3858 Unk D

You have changed your name to Lady

Was that really your nephew that used to post?

I have a niece who wanted to but I threw a fit and made her quit reading TB.

It was giving her too many nightmares. However, I always thought it would be kinda fun to have them meet at bok's and see how they'd get along.

C'est la vie, en passant.

Lady has left the chat room.


I slept on what you said last night, and I realized that the worse thing you did was call me "boorish". That's cool. You're welcome to your opinion of me, as is everyone else. It seems like my online personality does cause some people to have extreme opinions of me, one way or the other. Fortunately, I think most people are indifferent.

However, I have read some of your posts, and I do have respect for your opinions so I'll give what you said some thought.




-- laura (ladylogic@.......), March 10, 2000.

Damn unk!

I had "Lady" in brackets like in the chatroom but they didn't show up. Oh, well. If that's the worst thing that happens to me today, I've got it made.


-- laura (ladylogic@.....), March 10, 2000.

Irony abounds. LL spends so much time bragging about her B.S. degree (sum.cum.loudly), yet cannot construct cogent essays, let alone craft them with any noticeable degree of mastery of the English language. In fairness, many of the forum participants of higher academic achievement (and there are many with Masters and Doctorates here) struggle with written debate as well. But, I don't see anyone else trying to win points based on their formal education.

LL continues to be a waste of bandwidth even without spamming. Her main contributions (to this and any other fora) have been self-aggrandizement, fomenting dissent, and desparate efforts to be the center of attention. By the way, do such brilliant conversational topics as "cavscout loves me", "Mr. Polly and I broke up", "Lisa is a bitch", and "cpr is ignorant" remind anyone else of a 12-year-old girl rather than a 47-year-old woman?

LL is a lonely, empty, unemployed, middle-aged woman whose only form of meaningful human contact is to construct a fantasy life lived among strangers on the the internet.

-- (just a distraction@TB.today), March 10, 2000.

That's right, reduce everything I've said for the last four months into a few semi-negative sound bytes.

What have you done at any time in your life, except go around giving ME too much attention??

Nothing I'm sure...even your handle indicates that.

If any of you, except Michael, had the balls to put your name (names?) on your posts someone might take you seriously. However, I won't, you've already demonstrated weak character by not speaking to me directly, so I won't waste my time.

(By the way, I'm 46,.....at least get that right.)

(Oh, and thank you, z.)


-- Laura (Ladylogic@.......), March 10, 2000.

Don't forget Laura's most heinous crime. Yes, we're talking about the grievous offense known as turning polly.



-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), March 10, 2000.

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