If I Decide to Remove Password Protection from My Forum, the Rules Will Be These:

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I'm not saying it's going to happen.

I'm not saying anyone WOULD REALLY GIVE A FLYING FOOSEBALL (SP) whether or not it happened.

However, it MAY happen, and in anticipation of that possibility--especially being mindful of all of this discussion lately about "censorship" and people being "banned" from various forums, I'd like to first, post a reference to my response to Fact Finder on another thread.

Original thread source:


Now, in my responses on that thread, you will note that I opened up the forum briefly. I made the decision to password protect it again immediately thereafter. Why? I decided there is still too much extremist "heat" out there. Am I right or wrong? I dunno. It was just a decision I made on the facts available at the time.

For the record, however, if I DO decide to remove the password protection feature of my forum, these rules will apply:

1) No language that would not be classified with a "G" rating. I have a child. Many of you have grandchildren. I KNOW you KNOW where I'm coming from on this.

2) Try to refrain from personal attacks. I know, it's oh-so-tempting to call someone a "B**t*ead" or worse--but does it display intelligence to do so? I think not. One of the things that was so captivating about many of the original TB2000 forum posters was their ability to debate issues in a concise, informative manner.

3) Other rules may apply, but I doubt it. I like spirited debate. As painful as it can be, it is part of how we learn and grow.

We shall see.


-- FM (vidprof@aol.com), March 06, 2000


Never heard of you. Who are you and what interests does your forum cater to?

-- E. H. Porter (E.H. Porter@just wondering.about it), March 06, 2000.

She is marriane micheals, and the only thing her "forum" caters to is extremists and toilet paper.

-- SHEESH, bookvender (get@a.life), March 06, 2000.

TB2000 or DeBunker's was never Marianne's favorite pit, but she certainly used them extensively for her TP book.


Give it a rest, cpr. TB2000 has never been my Favorite Pit. In fact, I don't have a Favorite Pit. n/t

Posted by ( Marianne on January 29, 2000 at 22:12:43:

In Reply to: Catch this from your Doom Zombie Fans' Favorite Pit ?????? posted by cpr on January 29, 2000 at 21:07:13:

Give it a rest, cpr. TB2000 has never been my "Favorite Pit." In fact, I don't HAVE a "Favorite Pit."

-- Archiver (Archiverr@archiverrr.xcom), March 06, 2000.

#1 I seldom swear on a forum, and never to be vulgar or to call another person a filthy name. But occasionally I do, when it seems appropriate, and only an expletive will do. I'm not interested in wearing a Scold's Bridle. I had a grandfather who swore, and no one ever got excited about it that I can recall. None of the family felt that it was a corrupting influence. I am also a grandmother.

#2 I too do not believe in personal attacks unless I'm attacked, then it is self defense. However on the original TB forum I was attacked in ways that I've never been attacked on another forum, and certainly not on the TB Spinoff. Concise, informative manner!! HA HA

But thank you for your consideration.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), March 06, 2000.

Shameless self-promotion rears its ugly head again (or, again AND again AND again in the case of Marianne Michaels AKA FM). FM will surface from time-to-time on any Y2K-related (no matter how marginally) forum, make a few posts trying to direct traffic to her forum, then disappear...until the next time.

-- (Just a Bored@worker.bee), March 06, 2000.

Who the hell would want to go to your forum anyway? Aren't you that imposter who stole our words for profit and made a big stink about those who were using anonymous e-mail addresses, while you yourself had been using one all along? Get real, sooner or later all con-artists end up in jail where they belong.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), March 06, 2000.

Good grief, I'm scratching my head wondering what FM's (MM's?) post has in it that would lead one to such anger as expressed above. Seeing nothing harsh about it at all, I would think that the problem lies with the "reactionees"....

I take it all of you have expressed your views about cashing in on y2k to Hyatt, Ed, and North?

-- FactFinder (david@bzn.com), March 06, 2000.

Hi, FactFinder. You see what you see and I see what I see. Maybe we see different things. So? As for Hyatt, North, EY...you don't have a clue, and I have no desire to answer your personal questions about me. But, if _anyone's_ posts here consist of _nothing_ but promos, I'll probably call their ass on it, too. Fair enough? If it bothers you...tough!

-- (Just a Bored@worker.bee), March 06, 2000.


Hyatt, Ed, and North didn't steal our quotes without asking for copyright permission or offering a fair reimbursement.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), March 06, 2000.

Hyatt, Ed, and North didn't steal our quotes without asking for copyright permission or offering a fair reimbursement ... YET.

-- (still@here.now), March 06, 2000.

Well, well, well.

Y'all have expressed your varied opinions as is your right to do so.

As for the folk who believe I only post threads because I'm out to make money--well, you don't know me.

As for "archiver"--and I am only addressing this, because I've seen this thread posted on Greenspun forums more than once--perhaps you might consider the true meaning behind the phrase, "I don't HAVE a favorite PIT." Might it mean that I don't believe it productive to refer to anyone's forum as a "PIT?" Hmmmm....

As for you, dear Hawk, have you actually read any of the chapters offered up thusfar? If you had done so, I think you might think differently, with regard to your comments about "copyright permission" or "fair reimbursement." Please correct me if I am wrong.



-- FM (vidprof@aol.com), March 06, 2000.

It's usually appropriate in the business world to pay for something before you use it, not take it first and then offer to pay only when legal recourse is threatened. And you call yourself an author? Hah! Tell us please, what books have you written prior to the butt-wipe chronicles?

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), March 06, 2000.


I'm wondering how anyone can ask for copyright permission, or be reimbursed when internet writers use anonymous handles?

Please send your check to, "Hawk@flying.high" or "Ladylogic46@aol.com". I'm sure our banks will understand exactly what she means.


-- laura (Ladylogic@.......), March 06, 2000.


For those who are not yet aware of this simple fact, the research clock pretty much stopped for me on December 31, 1999.

I number among those who "reported in from my zone" on New Year's Eve, and yes--I have food storage in my basement--and hilariously, some might think--I have experienced emergencies since the "roll-over" that became "non-emergencies" because I was able to utilize my Y2k preparations.

In fact, here's a tid-bit I haven't posted on any other forum. Two days ago, one of my neighbors--after an extended power outage in our neighborhood--said to me, "Well, it was longer than the power company told us, wasn't it? Good thing we had that Y2k stuff. Actually, I wasn't as prepared as I thought I was."

This was a neighbor to whom I had spoken (not preached, mind you, but spoken to) about Y2k in early 1999. I said nothing to her after Fall of 1999.

I think I did something good for her, however, by bringing Y2k to her attention as early as I did. I may have done something good for the entire neighborhood, in fact. I didn't scare them, I just simply reminded them of the American Red Cross guidelines.

So, for anyone who may find fault with me for not routinely posting these experiences to any Internet forum, I can tell you without question that I have done so in other venues.

Maybe you'll read about these experiences at a later date. If you choose not to do so, that again, is your choice.


-- FM (vidprof@aol.com), March 06, 2000.

Does this spat relate to "The Pit and The Penultimate" by Edgar Allen Prozac?

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), March 06, 2000.

O.K., Hawk, this is my last post for the night, and maybe my last post to this thread, period.

First off, you are not quoted in this book in any way shape or form.

Second, I EARNED the right to be called a journalist. Perhaps not by writing books, but by over a decade of experience as a television news reporter, producer, assignment desk editor, film and videotape photographer, etc.

I worked at ABC, NBC and CBS network affiliates across the United States. When I was first hired into that business, I was paid 8 thousand dollars a year for working a minimum of 50 hours a week. I have a frost-bitten right foot because I wasn't able to afford proper boots when covering stories in the snow, etc., etc., etc.

In short, I PAID my dues. My mentors were Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, etc. I was very close to a job with one of the networks when I made a decision to leave that business. I am a devoted wife and a mother (and that had something to do with my decision) and YES, I am writing a book.

Now, you can choose be nice, or not.

Totally up to you.



-- FM (vidprof@aol.com), March 06, 2000.

My dear Mistress FM,

You may have all the writing good fortune that circumstance will allow you. And more power to you. But to mention the names of Brokaw, Blather as your sourse of experience (and possible role models). Is to say to the world that you do not have an "objective" bone in your body.

Cronkite was/ and I hope still is, a objective reporter. But his views on world government stink.

"As for me...I shall finish the Game"!


-- Shakey (in_a_bunker@forty.feet), March 07, 2000.

Oh, that explains it, a journalist. I'm not concerned about my words being used, and it is in fact because of people like you that I post anonymously. However, you know damn well that you had already taken quotes from people using their real names with every intention of including them in your book without any permission whatsoever. The only reason you changed your mind is because when you were nearly ready to print you started soliciting sales on the forum and many people got pissed that you hadn't even asked them for permission. This isn't the streets where you can just walk around with a tape recorder, our words on the internet are considered published works of art and are subject to copyright laws. I would hope that you have learned the lesson that there is a big difference between being a journalist and an author and next time you'll use your head before someone sues your pants off.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), March 07, 2000.

FM - You said I didn't, I gave the URL people can go read for themselves. BTW, I only posted it one time over at TB2000 go look for yourself.

-- Archiver (Archiverr@archiverr.xcom), March 07, 2000.

don't get your shorts in a bunch Old Git

-- (poor@doomer.nolife), March 07, 2000.

poor@doomer.nolife is LL.

-- Archiver (Archiver@archiverr.xcom), March 07, 2000.

So is there any Y2K huckstering going on here or no?

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), March 07, 2000.

LadyLunatic, anyone with a brain bigger than this >*< could tell that Archiver is not Old Git. Try using what critical thinking skills you possess to see if you can come up with any reason there might be other people on both sides of the fence who would be happier if you quietly vanished.

Lisa, yes.

-- (brxly@efrb.tuy), March 07, 2000.

I didn't say that was Old Git. I suggest you get a life, and quit thinking you know everything.

Furthermore, I suggest you quit hiding behind those white sheets like Klansmen. Chickenshits.


-- laura (Ladylogic@aol.com), March 07, 2000.

Hi Hawk,

This IS my last post (at least to you on this thread, and maybe to you forever.)

You wrote:

"However, you know damn well that you had already taken quotes from people using their real names with every intention of including them in your book without any permission whatsoever. The only reason you changed your mind is because when you were nearly ready to print you started soliciting sales on the forum and many people got pissed that you hadn't even asked them for permission."

You have me confused with someone else. Toward the end of 1999, there were people who came to the original TB2000 forum stating they were interested in writing books. I was not one of them. I was here long before that.

Now you were here too--according to your "bio" for 1.5 years. Question is: Did you have a hidden agenda during that time?

I didn't. My agenda, in the beginning was like most of the moderates on the original TB2000 forum. I was just trying to figure out what was what.

In short, I wasn't interested in the "New World Order," or anything else that was largely political. I just wanted to find out what this "Y2k Thing" was about--a technology issue that morphed into something else--as history will apparently record it, even without my potential input.

In an effort to investigate all of the nuances--I began asking questions (via email and telephone)with people who seemed wise, and in many cases "had credentials." I have six to eight file boxes of notes in my office printed out from the past year that I would dearly love to consign to a "burn or garbage" pile. I can't do it though. Why? Because I was TRAINED as a journalist, I know I need to hang on to the notes until the project is finished.

Further, my journalistic training--as much as you seem to enjoy denigrating it,(along with the brutal training Cronkite, Rather and Brokaw experienced, and trust me on this one, if you knew what they had to go through to get where they are/were, your perspective might be vastly different)--is solid enough for me to understand the importance of using real names only with permission and utilizing quotes in moderation. Of course, you would know that already, had you read what I've written thusfar. Obviously, you haven't.

I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect you are "flaming" me because you are "Damned mad" about something that has nothing to do with me.


Peace be with you.


-- FM (vidprof@aol.com), March 07, 2000.

FM, you must remember that Hawk used to be known as A before the operation. Same lame, different name.

-- Ra (tion@l.1), March 07, 2000.

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