Well Flint, I join an august crew. Ed just banned me from the fourm.

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As I read his statement, the continuous disagreement with his policy is a reason for banning [this is a common characteristic of intolerant communities]. So be it.

Best wishes,,,,


-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), March 04, 2000


I wonder if Ed, Chuck, Dianne, and old Git are going to try to spam and troll this forum?

-- wondering out loud (would@be.funny), March 04, 2000.

Welcome to the club, Z.

Consider it an honor to be banned from the pig sty.

(If you ever posted to my posts before, I never got to read them, so we'll have to spend time getting acquainted in the future. If I'm thinking correctly, you are a lady, aren't you? Dog gone it!...those people make me mad!!)


-- laura (Ladylogic46@aol.com), March 04, 2000.

By-the-way, this resulted from a total of approximatly 4 posts and probably 6 or so replies. I guess he didn't like the one in which I said, why should I be envious of Ed; on an international level, I am more widely known than Ed. Can't be more famous than Ed. So it goes. This really isn't that important. Let's forget it.

Best wishes,,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), March 04, 2000.

Lady take breath count to ten. Thats the way I do it. Love ya!

-- ET (bneville@zebra.net), March 04, 2000.

You are not being truthful!

This is the last paragraph of the post Ed made in reply to you:

"I respect the fact that you think I've made a big mistake, and I have no problem with your having expressed that opinion. You've now demonstrated your ability, and your determination, to do so repeatedly -- and I suspect that you'll continue to do so until you find that you get zero replies to your soap-box oratory, or until such time as you become sufficiently offensive that we sysops feel that we have no alternative other than deleting your messages, or banning you from further posting."


-- Don't Like Liars (Truthwillout@flashnet.com), March 04, 2000.


I don't understand the policy at ALL. Why did they ban you? You weren't abusive, or even impolite...? It was JUST over the questions you were asking?

They're right. I must be a DGI, because I really DON'T get it. There is no rhyme or reason that I can glean from this. What did you, me, Flint, and Hoff do in common? Ask the wrong questions?

FWIW, Z, welcome. Thank you for your attempts at clarification over there...I did appreciate them.

Jonathan -A computer glitch yadda yadda-

-- Jonathan Latimer (latimer@q-a.net), March 04, 2000.

Sounds the same to me, the way I said it; i.e. if I continue to post what I think; that is in opposition to his ideas, my posts and replies will be deleted and I will be banned; hence I am banned; let us be real; 4 posts and 6 or so replies; what a load; Ed has lost it. I don't like to be attacked. I am a gentle person, I seldom get angry; but when crossed, I will respond. And when I respond, watch-out.

Best wishes,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), March 04, 2000.

He was not banned. He is not telling the truth. Go read for yourself.

-- Don't Like Liars (Truthwillout@flashnet.com), March 04, 2000.

Ooooh...Z1X4Y7...Ed told on You. Hehe. I would leave it be at this point anyhow. I protested, they stated they were going to stand by their decisions, and I let it drop. Thankfully we have an alternative. Anything else would be like beating a dead horse.

I'll use both forums...each for it's own unique set of characters. But this...this is home.

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), March 04, 2000.

Don't like liars:

You are obviously an Ed Troll. So what. Let them read it. I responded above. The real passage was reproduced above on this thread. This is real. If you want to use a fake name and address [people like Flint, me and Ed never hide behind this kind of garbage] do so. If not return to the underground.

Best wishes,,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), March 04, 2000.

Ok --that's it! I try to refrain from Ed bashing, or most others for that matter, but who GIVES A ROYAL SHIT about Ed's approval or disapproval? The guy is a NOBODY.

You know how many books I have on the shelf from loser profit$ in the last 20 yrs? They all collect dust and what was earthshattering to them at the time, is like watching a damn, old japanese godzilla movie now. All the while they try to recoup their losses with, "what I meant to say was _____." C.Y.A The usual retort is, "well golly, my TIMING was off, but I still stand by what I predicted".

yah yah - a stopped clock.....

The guy is a dipshit legend in his own mind. The sheeple C-U-L-T just can't entertain the *reality* that they were duped. Get it?

/rant off (sorry Old TB2k!)

Hey LL! Good to finally meet yah. Cool flower

-- (doomerstomper@usa.net), March 04, 2000.

I saw a rerun of the movie (I think) "Liberty" the other day, with Alan Alda playing an author whose book was being turned into a movie -- very badly. BUT, in the contract it was required that the director "consult" with the author.

So the director said "OK, you don't like what I'm doing. I respect your opinion. We've now consulted." And walked off!

At least you received a warning as Ed promised. So that doesn't count. But too bad Ed's "respect" doesn't extend far enough to answer any questions or provide any explanations. I used to laugh at those who said of "Klinton" that you can tell he's lying if his lips are moving. But if this were said instead about Yourdon, I'd nod in full agreement of a shared prejudice.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), March 04, 2000.


<By-the-way, this resulted from a total of approximatly 4 posts and probably 6 or so replies.>

Something's wrong with your math. If you want an accurate count, why don't you do a search here:


Just enter "Z1X4Y7"

Love the search option on http://pub5.ezboard.com/fyourdontimebomb2000 !!!

-- (JustTrying@ToHelp.com), March 04, 2000.

Geesh! You guys parade around as if your banishment from a forum was some medal of valor pinned on your chest. Get real. The "sting" of having suffered an injustice (real or perceived) leads an immature man to whining. Having a pity party won't change an injustice, so buck up and move forward. If what you all say about Ed is true, then what's the sense of blubbering about it...it certainly isn't going to change HIS mind. This board has too many bright and talented individuals involved to allow it to wallow in some of this mutual massaging. Let the excellent content of this forum be the beacon that draws others to it.

-- TM (mercier7@pdnt.com), March 04, 2000.

Bill Byar-

Re: Counting votes on banning Flint, symbolically of course. What in the world did Flint ever do wrong on this forum other than to point out that most of us are a bunch of paranoid schizophrenics? But that's my terminology; his was more civil. If he is excluded from this forum, my terminology becomes more appropriate. And no, I'm not an intruding polly: I've got lots of doomer credentials.

Steve Heller-

Re: Counting votes on banning Flint, symbolically of course. "What in the world did Flint ever do wrong on this forum other than to point out that most of us are a bunch of paranoid schizophrenics?"

Speak for yourself, "Bill". I think you'll find a lot more lunatics on other boards that shall remain nameless to protect the crazy. As for you, I would say you're right on the edge of being banned yourself for trying to stir up trouble with your baseless accusation. But that's just my opinion, as I'm not a sysop.


On a search Bill Byar has posted twice since the board has opened. Once about Flint and once about the NTO.

Is this Heller nuts? Look at the way the threats of being banned are flying around that board.

Someone go get Bill Byar!

-- ****** (****@****.COM), March 04, 2000.


Consider yourself lucky I guess. Some of us never took that "leap" to be banned, as we knew it would be spontanious. Hell, I stated on a chat that I would not register at the new forum based upon the "rules and regulations" (ie bans) that were being placed upon it's inception.

Oh well.... life goes on, and my leisure computer time grows less and less each day.



-- (Donna@here.now), March 04, 2000.

IMO, the forum was dying prior to the spam attacks. Others noticed, as well, and made the move to the new location in an attempt to rejuvenate it. Posts in the past two days seem to support this thesis: most of the posts have been of a "forum familiarization" nature or of an argument about banning. Posters will end-up where the discussions prove to be the most interesting. I'm hoping this board will draw more enlightened discussion. Time will tell....

-- firefly (forest@calm.dot), March 05, 2000.

"Is this Heller nuts?" - the short answer is "yes".


You might think it is not a big deal to be censored. Wait until it happens to you some time. A rather odd feeling, to have your words manipulated. It causes something like "road rage", only in cyber space.

In my case, Diane and other "moderators" tried to frame me by adding to my posts, and accusing me of making posts that weren't mine...all to get me BANNED. they wanted to whip up there "buddies" against me and anyone else who posted AGAINST there doom clap-trap nonsense.

The last straw was when the doomidiots found out they could impersonate me (even my IP number). that was all the "proof" the jackboots needed to ban me...and I never even made half the posts they say I did.

Its pretty difficult to defend yourself when you are under censure. no fun at all. like being in a foreign jail where your rights are s#*t on. you are at the whim of the prison officials. all my posts were deleted, no matter what they said. I suppose that diane and the rest of her cohorts needed to keep me down so that people wouldn't find out what they had done.

Thankfully the days of Diane "just shag me" Squire are over.

-- Super Polly (Fu_Q_Y2kfreaks@hotmail.com), March 05, 2000.

Isn't this just too cool? We have Craig "I have a spoon up my butt", Super "Stick you head in a toilet and FLUSH and FLUSH AGAIN!!" Polly, Laura "I'm a edoocated spammer", and CPR "I'll tell your boss YOU'RE BEING MEAN TO ME!!" all in one place! Why, it's just like Debunker's all over again. ImSo Happy.

-- (CoolBeans@now.boy), March 05, 2000.

so what your problem? you mad because you finally know what your little god-like moderators did to the so called pollys to try and shut them up?

ps - be careful with those coolbeans. they will heat up later, if you know what I mean.

-- "come on ice cream!" (fu_Q_Y2kfreaks@hotmail.com), March 05, 2000.

Isn't this just too cool? We have Craig "I have a spoon up my butt", Super "Stick you head in a toilet and FLUSH and FLUSH AGAIN!!" Polly, Laura "I'm a edoocated spammer", and CPR "I'll tell your boss YOU'RE BEING MEAN TO ME!!" all in one place! Why, it's just like Debunker's all over again.

Except that there are plenty of "GI"s here as well. Imagine that, Pollys and "GI"s all in one place, and nobody is screaming DELETE DELETE!!!!

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), March 05, 2000.

Yes, I was a GI. SHAME ON ME!! I should have had a good slap to the side of the head to bring me to my senses. I still believe in being prepared for a month...but longer?? No way!! I wouldn't believe it now, no matter what some PHD, "I know the truth," money hungry, doomster said.

Hey, all you pollies deserve a good laugh. You sure took enough hateful shit from the doomers to last a lifetime.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), March 05, 2000.

Wondering out loud,

I was in live chat last night and heard Diane say she IS posting here as several anonymous names.

-- (Saw @it .all), March 05, 2000.

Whether you are truly banned, or just shunned, don't take it hard, Z1X4Y7. I took one look at the EZBoard forum and decided it was wholly inferior to the Greenspun version.

I won't tolerate banner heads when there is any earthly way to avoid them. I dislike cute little emoticons. I find heavily moderated forums lacking in vitamins. It was slow, overly commercial and ugly.

(Thank you once more Phil Greenspun, for making these forums available. They are well laid out, readable, friendly and very useable. Your design sense is superior. And you can't beat the price!)

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), March 05, 2000.

Good grief!

Someone send me an e-mail on this thread. For the first and last time... I don't frequent chat rooms so someone is pretending to be me. My older Mac won't handle the chat s/w.

I'm LEAVING Y2K discussions and starting my own forum on sustainability... GI?

I wish you all well. Have all the continuing squabbles you want, to your heart's content, but kindly leave me out of it.

I WIIL NOT POST HERE ANON, or for that matter anywhere else, and I'M LEAVING Y2K... GI? You new Sysop can confirm that.

'Nuf said.

Have a great life all. Goodbye.


-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), March 05, 2000.

The issue is dead. Y2K didn't happen, much as I wanted it to. Trib will occur some other way...nope, don't have a clue.

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), March 05, 2000.

-- Z1X4Y7

Remember when you said this on TB2000?

http://stand77.com/wwwboard/messages/2942.html - 7 K - 2 Nov 1999


As I write this, that is what I am looking at [a cat's butt]. I think that the people running this forum have done a good job. They are very tolerant. It makes the whole forum worth-while [even with the nonsense that is sometimes posted]. We should give them a round of applause. By the way, the delete key just came off of my keyboard. I can ship it, but I have to leave town soon.

Best wishes,,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 30, 1999.

-- Archiver (Archiver@archiverrr.xcom), March 05, 2000.

If you're intolerant of the intolerant does that make you intolerant

is a troll tolerant

where do you draw the line

-- Sir Richard (richard.dale@onion.com), March 06, 2000.

Sir Richard: Trolls are tolerant or they wouldn't be trolls. They like to kick ant hills just to watch the ants scatter. The ants tolerate them because they have no other choice.

-- Archiver (Archiverr@archiverrr.xcom), March 06, 2000.


I believe you, and I'd like to say goodbye and good luck. Honestly, I mean that. I hope your endeavor is wildly successful and I hope you make a ton of money. Furthermore, I hope it makes up for all the time you devoted to a man who's insane, and the time you spent cleaning up my spam.

As long as I'm on the subject of devoting time to someone who's insane, I have to admit right now that I'm guilty of the same thing. I'm afraid I let cpr have far too much influence in my life, but I did it because he helped me understand the cult-like mentality that occurs when you censor people -- for whatever reason. Diane, Im wondering if youve learned that yet? Somehow, I really don't expect an answer, but I do hope you give it some thought. I hope you think about it one of those nights when you're laying in bed reflecting on the events of the past. You know, we all do that, and if nothing else, Y2k could be the impetus that allows us to contemplate more important lessons if we're honest with ourselves. Damn, girl, Im one of the most intellectually honest and reflective people I know, and I suspect you are too. My take on all this is that we both were unduly influenced, and you and I got caught up in a cyber-battle of wills. What did that accomplish? Not much, and we both ended up with sore hands. (Picture me smiling today even though I have my little finger strapped to my ring finger.)

Enjoy your E-Biz and enjoy every moment of the rest of your life. Its time to 

-- (Ladylogic46@aol.com), March 06, 2000.

celebrate now. (I wish this forum has a "preview" feature[g]).

Take care,


-- (Ladylogic46@aol.com), March 06, 2000.

Diane "just shag me" Squire will still be posting here anon; sorry meme-girl, you were caught lying one to many times on the old board. I saved copies of the posts where you tried to frame me (remember the out of order dates? the inserted white space? the "trolling" you claimed came from me when it didn't? your "slip up" in postings signed "outingsR" when it should have been your "regular" handle? hmmm? remember?)

You make me laugh! Its funny to watch you squirm now that you have no petty "power" over others!

My wish is that you will be censured at some point in your life; not on something REAL important (I wouldn't even wish that on GN or EY!) but just enough to make you realize what it does to people, and to help you mature and grow.

-- Super Polly (FU_Q_Y2kfreaks@hotmail.com), March 06, 2000.

Who are you talking to, Super Polly? Surely not me??


-- laura (Ladylogic@aol.com), March 06, 2000.

hello, earth to laura, I was talking to diane. she posted several places up from here (and I know she is still reading this forum. she has a meme, and it doesn't just evaporate)

-- Super Polly (FU_Q_Y2kfreaks@hotmail.com), March 06, 2000.

Ok, just checking. Sheesh, you're cranky.


-- laura (Ladylogic@.......), March 06, 2000.

Damn, girl, Im one of the most intellectually honest and reflective people I know, and I suspect you are too.

LL YOU ROCK! NO 1 cn teech you ANYTHINTG!@ yr as honst as u r snsibl! Yu GO GRL!!!!

-- RIGHT No! (master.@bait.xxx), March 06, 2000.

Thanks, MasterBait,

I haven't heard that in a long time.

Have you ever considered changing your name? If you have, may I make a couple of suggestions? How about:

Master Mind

Master Bedroom

Masterpiece Theatre

Master Blaster

Master Chef

or, Master-at-arms.

(MasterBait is so tacky.[g])


-- laura (Ladylogic@......), March 06, 2000.

Look, all the anal psychopaths in one place.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), March 06, 2000.

yes lisa, now that you signed in----------

-- stickup (stuck@up.gal), March 06, 2000.

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