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Hillary Clinton Will March With Gay Groups In 'Alternative' St. Patrick's Day Parade 5:47 p.m. ET (2247 GMT) March 1, 2000 By Beth Harpaz NEW YORK  Hillary Rodham Clinton will march in an alternative St. Patrick's Day parade this weekend that will include gay organizations, her spokesman said Wednesday.

AP/wide World Clinton will join gay and lesbian groups in an 'alternative' St. Patrick's Day march

The sponsor of the main March 17 St. Patrick's day parade up Fifth Avenue in Manhattan  the Ancient Order of Hibernians  has for years refused to allow the Irish Lesbian and Gay Organization, also known as ILGO, to march under its own banner.

Clinton, who is running for the Senate from New York, will march in this weekend's parade in Queeens, said campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson. Organizers have billed it as "the city's first inclusive St. Patrick's Day parade."

Clinton's Republican opponent, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, was also invited but declined. Mayoral spokesman Curt Ritter said Giuliani will march in the Fifth Avenue parade, as he always does.

In December, Clinton told reporters she would march in the main St. Patrick's Day parade, apparently unaware of the controversy over gays.

She later said she would march in the Fifth Avenue parade only if it was inclusive. Asked Wednesday whether Clinton intends to march in the Manhattan parade, Wolfson said, "She hopes to march and she hopes it will be inclusive."

The Hibernians have no plans to allow ILGO to march.

Believing Clinton intends to march up Fifth Avenue with the Hibernians, ILGO spokeswoman Anne Maguire blasted her for "trying to have it both ways," by marching in the Queens parade and the Manhattan event.

But Brendan Fay, co-founder of Sunday's march in Queens and a member of the Lavender and Green Alliance, said he was "honored and delighted" by Clinton's decision to march and "share our message of inclusiveness."

Fay's group, a gay and lesbian Irish cultural group, and three other homosexual groups will march in Queens.

Meanwhile Wednesday, Clinton led several hundred children at an elementary school in Valley Cottage, N.Y., in a pledge against gun violence.

She did not refer to the incident Tuesday in which a 6-year-old Michigan girl was shot and killed by another 6-year-old in school, but asked the children to promise that they would not touch guns or use them in anger.

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), March 01, 2000

Answers

OH BARF!

PArdon my french

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), March 01, 2000.

My sister is in the process of a divorce, recently initiated after hubby's serious physical violence, although problems have been going on for years. He owns several guns, and my niece informed us that her 11 year old brother had a loaded 22 in his bedroom to shoot his dad if he got any worse. She said the ammo was lying around on the floor like M&M's.

I had a chat with the kid; he said he tried to call 911 and the father stopped him, so he thought it was better to just shoot him and protect his mother if he tried anything else.

What was hard to deal with was that when I called both the police and FBI, neither could go in the house because they needed an eye witness from the house to call. And of course everybody in the house was too afraid and ashamed to call the cops.

Looks like it'll work out; Dad's gone now. But I wish there was a way to stop these things somehow before they start. What a way for a boy to grow up. I respect our rights to privacy in our homes, but it's also the way kids have guns so easily.

-- sorry (for@ the.children), March 01, 2000.

The queen of lesbos anyway...why wouldn't she participate. Not getting any from Slick.

-- Shesalesboanyway (barf@billary.com), March 01, 2000.

I got no problem whatsoever with the kid protecting the mom and shooting the abusive father if he attacks them. And boo hoo hoo the poor little piggies. They don't ever seem to need any special warrants or papers to "take down" some "perps" in a "drug house". They get blank warrants, get some drunk judge to fill them in later. The kid has more guts and brains than that whole police "department" put together. They can kick in your door and tear you house apart on the sayso of some crackhead "snitch" calling in on the phone, that BS they were feeding is quite ripe, it's full odor compost.

-- selfdefense (isforall@ages.situations.911.doesn't.work.mostly), March 01, 2000.

selfdefense, I too wouldn't shed a tear for the kid's father if he put one between his dad's eyes if he attacked him or his mom.

Now, for you atheists and religion haters: I did not post this as a pro-Republican, Christian Right advocate. It is just a piece of news.

In my world view Doles, Robertson, Falwell, McCain, Bushes, and all the rest are in the same camp with Hills. They just have their different methods of trying to achieve dictatorship.

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), March 01, 2000.

SelfDefense - Police officers are bound by the same stupid laws we are. They didn't MAKE those laws. Most of them aren't happy with those laws. Most of them are pro guns in the home and pro self defense. You have to look at who DOES make those laws..and point your finger at them. Officers can't break those laws and remain officers, but they try to work with what they got the best they can.

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), March 01, 2000.

hmmmm...Kritter, a shame the American Revolutionaries didn't obey the laws. They were under law like our police officers today. NO difference. If you by chance saw through someone's window that a child was being killed by a parent would you wait for a warrant?

Face it! The Constitution is as satanic a document as Das Kapital. There is NO answer cuz satan has a lock on it all.

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), March 01, 2000.

Kritter, actually, no law enforcement officers ARE NOT following the same laws as civilians.

In ANY dispute with a cop, the cop's word is taken as true on its face. I've encountered this many times. Cops know this, and use it. God forbid you get into a firefight with a cop - you're screwed. Look at Waco. And the beginning of Waco, clearly they defended themselves.

But they still got fried, and the survivors are still in jail.

There are other laws that they benefit from that we don't. They have access to health and life insurance that we do not. They are allowed concealed carry and have automatic reciprocity virtually everywhere in the US.

The 14th amendment simply doesn't apply here. But then again, they don't know what the hell that is, anyway.

Jolly thinks 90% of all law enforcement officers are corrupt.

-- Jollyprez (jolly@prez.com), March 01, 2000.

Cops...the job appeals to power trip people. Exceptions to the rule, of course. But, they get weeded out in due time unless they agree to fall in line with the corruption. Human nature. I have experienced it. Except for a minority(those with strong family ties and with some morality and self-sacrifice still left) the 'cops' will blindly follow Klinton or his successor in implementing the 'perfect' society. Bush or Gore....it doesn't matter. We will congratulate ourselves because we avoided electing Buchanan/Hitler.

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), March 01, 2000.

" If you by chance saw through someone's window that a child was being killed by a parent would you wait for a warrant? -canthappen "

No, and I can't think of any cop who would either, whether their job was at stake or not. Will agree Satan has a lock, though.

As for Jollyprez, I've seen different from the media regarding the cops word always being taken as true. If that were so, you wouldn't have trials going on against officers at this very moment. One of the major reasons you see video cameras mounted on police cruisers now is because it helps to end that whole game. Of the people who accused officers of brutality in NJ, 40 cases were proven false by the video camera replay. As bury Park Press It works both ways. Every other speeder who gets a ticket feels a cop has wronged him in some way. I will agree with you on Waco though.

As far as "There are other laws that they benefit from that we don't. They have access to health and life insurance that we do not. They are allowed concealed carry and have automatic reciprocity virtually everywhere in the US."... They also get to go to work each day and hope no asshole shots them. PS..same health and life insurance as anyone else in this state anyhow. Concealed carry, a small trade off?

btw..canthappen, I can't say as I haven't seen the power trip thing, and I don't know if it comes as a result of the job, or if it's just the kind of person who cares to do the job in the first place. There has to be law enforcement, I think everyone will agree to that, so what do you suggest to change that?

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), March 02, 2000.

I just want to point out that the parade organization in New York does not prohibit homosexuals from marching in the parade. They do prohibit them from marching "as homosexuals".

It's not the people the organizers object to, it's the signs (which of their nature say, in effect, "Hooray for homosexuality").

-- GA Russell (ga.russell@usa.net), March 02, 2000.

Sorry, I'm sorry too. I think some of the responses to your post went a bit astray. Of course anyone has the right to shoot in self defense. But we're talking about a kid and his sister shooting a physically abusive FATHER. Think about that for a moment. It doesn't matter how abusive the guy is....HE'S THEIR FATHER...The psychological repercussions would be horrendous. Better to get out of the house and go somewhere safe. I'm glad that it is over, but next time, perhaps they could come live with "Aunty" for a while? It sounds as if they might have been hinting at that...

Oh--and they should get a restraining order against the man, document his abusiveness and if it continues....LEAVE! A fully grown, armed man with a temper could and probably would take out the whole family. A kid who shoots first (at the age of eleven) might be tried as an adult...Stop the tragedy before it starts.

Perhaps if it happens again, you could "snitch" on the house and say they had a crack den there....at least the cops would show up!

Just a few thoughts anyway....Thank God all are well...

-- Alice (Looking@glass.com), March 02, 2000.

Fay's group, a gay and lesbian Irish cultural group, and three other homosexual groups will march in Queens.

Appropriate place to meet.

Meanwhile Wednesday, Clinton led several hundred children at an elementary school in Valley Cottage, N.Y., in a pledge against gun violence.

She did not refer to the incident Tuesday in which a 6-year-old Michigan girl was shot and killed by another 6-year-old in school, but asked the children to promise that they would not touch guns or use them in anger.

Well thats OK then.

I gather the boy came from a criminal family, that had nothing to do with it I suppose.

-- Sir Richard (richard.dale@unum.co.uk), March 03, 2000.

What is wife of Clinton gonna do about violent policing methods in the US (nothing presumably as they reflect hubby's violent tendencies)

imagine another Clinton inthe White House

why not get chelsea in on the act

-- Sir Richard (Richard.Dale@unum.co.uk), March 03, 2000.

kritter, thanks. My point exactly is: There is no answer. Since the Fall(Adam & Eve)there has never been a solution that humans can bring about. Only Jesus did that. It can't be seen now. But it will be. In the meantime? Atrocity, murder, evil to a greater degree than imagined by Adolf himself. You know in your heart it is true. We ain't seen nothing yet.

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), March 03, 2000.

kritter, of course the pollies think Nazi Germany was an isolated incident, I am sure. We are now in the New Age and things like that aren't possible anymore. Stay out of politics! Both sides are evil. The choice? Mao and Stalin's cultural revolution or the Spanish Inquisition. Personally, I think the Papa will win this last round.

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), March 03, 2000.