OT- What about these surpluses?

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Since so much airtime and newsprint is devoted to what we're going to do about these vaunted "surpluses" the question that keeps gnawing at me is are they for real? Has anyone, anywhere seen a conclusive, validated (by the GAO for example) statement that proves without a doubt that these $$$ are for real instead of based on assumptions, fuzzy projections, etc.?

My thought is that these Clinton "surpluses" will have all the validity of many of those we've already heard from Clintonoccio ("I did not have sexual relations......) over the years. It's obvious that this so-called two party system uses the same mantra every election cycle to mesmerize the peons....TAX CUTS, BUDGET CUTS, TAX CUTS, BUDGET CUTS, TAX CUTS............WHEN IN THE HELL WAS THE LAST TIME WE'VE REALLY EITHER OCCUR IN FED'L, STATE AND LOCAL GOV'TS?

Seems like its time we call their bluff because I can guarantee you you it's a fiction!

-- saveamerica (jb40@hotmail.net), February 13, 2000

Answers

Those with agendas, on this forum, and in government, will likely continue to distort the truth.

Yes, you should call their bluff. Post here to call the bluff of the nonsense propagated here, and get involved in the political forum to call the bluff there.

-- ImSo (lame@prepped.com), February 13, 2000.


---the whole idea of surpluses is bogus, there are none. They spend two cents less then they did last year and that's called a "surplus". We still run into deficit spending, all they have done is slightly reduce that rate and it's called a "surplus". If you make 500$ a week, but spend 750$, you absolutely have no surplus. If you only spend 650$, you still have no surplus, you just reduced the borrowing a little, you are deficit spending, and in the fedgovs case, by borrowing money from the privately owned federal reserve bank, at interest. They-politicians, and the completely clueless media-are calling that reduction in deficit spending a "surplus". Lies. The borrowing rate has dropped, that's it. And the money didn't exist in the first place, either. It's nutz. It's criminal. It's treasonous. It's a lie. There's no surplus, there never will be a surplus, social security doesn't exist in some separate account either, and projections are for about an 85% average tax rate before too much longer, with the bulk of those taxes going to pay a "debt" on the interest paid to a private bank, called "The Federal Reserve". It is without a doubt the biggest, most complete, most extensive white collar crime in the history of the planet. Makes the nazi looting of europe look like shoplifting a candybar. And "they"-the goobermint acting on orders to support this "federal reserve"-commit real crimes of violence to support the rape of wealth. It's disgusting. It's the biggest snowjob ever pulled, the Mother of All Cons, it's bunko magnified to the hundreth degree.

And it's the LAST thing you'll ever see mainstream media cover, they'll trot out jfk's assassins combined with live chemtrail video shot from a UFO by nixon raised from the beyond before they ever talk about this federal reserve and surplus stuff. Wanna know who the premier NWO/globalists of the world are? The owners and directors of the "Federal" reserve. "Surplus"-what a hoot! Go tell your credit card company that you are going to keep borrowing more from them than you really make every month, and you want it to call it a "surplus" so they are "paid off",see how far you get with that one.

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), February 13, 2000.


You're right on Zog! So what is the chance that TPTB are going to crash it now, bring the country to its knees and implement a one-world government?

-- Y2kObserver (Y2kObserver@nowhere.com), February 13, 2000.

--observer, I think they will do whatever it takes to keep "it" up, as it's an election year. There's zero dissent (well, almost) as long as people THINK that they are making money by gambling. The globalists haven't finished completing the updating of china or russia yet, either. There's still more wealth to suck out of peoples pockets first, more control and surveillance, and our country has to be really weakened a little bit more. "They" will have to gain even more oversight and control of the net, and to totally eliminate and/or control firearms in the hands of private individuals. The control of the food and water and energy supply must be more absolute as well. Individual farmers are a threat to the corporate globalists. So are indivduals who use alternative medicine, and generate their own power. Watch for a LOT more gov control there.

When "that" stuff is mostly done, then the hammer will fall. If y2k had been an immediate bad case scenario, they would have been forced to jump the gun on their timetable, that's why they were so well prepped, because even they didn't really know what was going to happen, but bottom line is that they will do ANYTHING to retain power and complete this one world government deal. Get and keep people even more in their control, tie up their perceived wealth electronically, so it can be manipulated and controlled or destroyed at will. Obfuscate, divide, demonize-those and other tricks are being used right in front of peoples faces and they can't see it.

Here's one-SOMEONE WANT TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW ALL THESE BABY BOOMERS ARE GOING TO "RETIRE" ALL AT ONCE PRACTICALLY? WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT, WHO'S GONNA DO ALL THE REAL WORK,WHERE'S ALL THIS PERSONALIZED MEDICAL CARE GOING TO COME FROM, WHO'S GONNA PRODUCE YOUR FOOD AND FIX ALL THE STUFF THAT BUSTS AND BUILD ALL THOSE THINGS YOU WANT IF YA'ALL ARE PLANNING ON "RETIRING" TO A LIFE OF LEISURE? HAS THE ABILITY TO DO SIMPLE MATH JUST COMPLETELY VANISHED FROM ANYONE WHO APPEARS ON THE TEEVEE? SOME REASON THIS ISN'T MENTIONED BY ANY REPORTERS OR POLITICAL RULERS? Is this so hard to understand that YOU CAN'T GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING or FROM NOTHING. Maybe short term if you really look at it as gambling, but as some sort of long range "investment", whoo whee a little reality check is in order here. If ya got it, start taking those "profits" now, while you can, and turn them into something "real". Sure "stay in", but don't live in some dream world where the baby boom didn't happen, sorry, it did, and sorry again, a nation of geriatrics and retireds and gov workers isn't gonna last too long. Look at the demographics. Just look, go on, take a peek. You can't have 3/4 of the population NOT WORKING or doing busy work. Government, although necessary, produces zero food, water, nuthing, it just redistributes what is really being done. It costs money, it creates or produces NOTHING. WARS just make it LOOK like something is being done, wars just COST MONEY, THEY CREATE NOTHING-well, except misery and power for the fatcats in charge, that is. That's what we got to look forward to. supposedly we're supposed to swallow the fact that within 10 to 15 years, with 3/4 of the people working for the gov, retired, or on "assistance" that somehow all this is gonna stay up. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! And oil and clean water running out, too! more HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry, even to this financial rookie, the numbers just ain't there, there simple isn't any way for this "boom" to pay off for everyone. Like 5% of everyone maybe, that's it. So, when's it gonna fall? No idea, but long term can't stay up, that's for sure. What will precipitate it? Most likely a war, that starts local and spreads, fueled by long standing religious and cultural disputes, and over raw materials, oil being the number 1 raw material, water the 2nd.

Or some severe wild card, like a king or two finally caught in something so outrageous that he has to be deposed, but he refuses to go-something along those lines.

Or maybe a "glitch", just maybe.

All the factions that make up the real control of the planet war with each other to some degree, but "they" are united in the goal of "one world", as in no more rights for private individuals, play ball or die. "They" kill people on a big scale daily, using the best that bubble.com technology can provide. Can't believe all these people support them, buy their stocks, etc. No, I don't mean yahoo has a fleet of bombers, I mean all this "anything goes as long as it's profitable" mindset that 99% of US citizens and others around the world have. SOMEONE is sure working at all these bio chip companies and surveillance "security" companies, and copgear and alledged "less than lethal" weapons places, and REALLY FRIKKIN LETHAL weapons places, and frankenstein recombinat dna food places, and lets figger out how to put even more chemicals into food and the water supply, and let's create even more bureacracies and pieces of paper to complicate peoples lives, and create more laws that people can run afoul of, yada yada yada, stocks gotta go up and up and UP! It's always "the other guy's" fault, always the other guy. we're ALL guilty of supporting these dangerous and stoopid technologies and the even worse,the paid agents of them the "politicians" and the two major political "partys". It ain't no "party". Phooie.

Love a good rant in the morning! hehehehehe think I got some things right, too......

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), February 14, 2000.


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