"Whether explaining or complaining, joking or serious, the human voice is unmistakably genuine. It can't be faked."

Not even (1) TB2000 participant should be kept from reading this:

PEOPLE OF THE EARTH...

http://www.cluetrain.com/#manifesto">Get a Clue People!

http://www.cluetrain.com/#manifesto

Best wishes & enjoy,

"The Sovereign"

-- Steve Meyers (GlobalStrategies@home.com), February 11, 2000

Answers

lets try again:

http://www.cluetrain.com/

-- steve (WhoCares@nymore.Right?com), February 11, 2000.

Or click here: Get a Clue!

-- steve (WhoCares@nymore.Right?com), February 11, 2000.

I am currently reading the book. In some cases, I find that the authors are right on the mark. In other cases, I find that the authors need to get a clue themselves and figure out what the real business world is about, online or offline. An interesting read, none the less.

Christopher Locke's observation that the vast majority of AOL users haven't yet found their "voice" is at once both intriguing and scary as hell. I'm looking to get behind the nearest fire wall when they do. ;-) (No offense to members of the AOL family who make up part of the TB2k community.)

-- Nom (nom@de.plume), February 11, 2000.

Interesting post.

The current marketing strategies are based on idiot consumers. However, there may still be enough idiot consumers out there to keep these corporate monsters afloat!

-- cgbg jr (cgbgjr@webtv.net), February 11, 2000.

ahh...

I should have been more specific. Only meant to draw the Highly Esteemed Reader's attention to the "50 points" on the page listed above.

I have not read the book; I have no idea where the Author "goes" beyond the ideas presented on the page above...and had no intention to promote the book at all.

-- steve (WhoCares@nymore.Right?com), February 11, 2000.

you a funny guy Steve...Cheers Tink!! :-)

-- I Believe (Repent@time is now.com), February 11, 2000.

Reading stuff like this makes me glad I'm not in management.

Y-a-a-a-a-w-w-w-w-n-n-n....

-- eyes glazed over (bored@beyond.endurance), February 11, 2000.

I wonder if "why the AOL communinty has not found a Voice" is a consequence of how poorly their 'software pkg' is written? Atrocious!

Bells & whistles, nail polish & glitz; lots of gimmiks and meaningless window dressing. Clunky, cumbersome and *very* poorly thought out. Mail and news reader a pain. They still can't seem to get it 'right' - even after releasing "AOLHELL" Version 5.0.

They seem to focus on grafix upgrades, and miss improving the underlying structure.

Little wonder...(smile)

-- Steve (WhoCares@nymore.Right?com), February 11, 2000.

Dear I Believe...

My elementary school Psychiatrist thought i was a bit "funny"(?) also.

(tink!)

-- steve (WhoCares@nymore.Right?com), February 11, 2000.

CBeGeeBe *!

"The current marketing strategies are based on idiot consumers. However, there may still be enough idiot consumers out there to keep these corporate monsters afloat!"

Now THAT *is* scary....! (smile)

i think u R right. hmmm...i wonder if the idiot consumers were 'conditioned' to be that way - from the time they were born? I wonder what could have caused that?

hmmmmm...

"Come to the edge," He said. They said, "We are afraid." "Come to the edge," He said. They came. He pushed them... and they flew. --Guillaume Apollinaire (1880-1918) French novelist, critic

http://interact.uoregon.edu/MediaLit/FA/MLmediaviolence.html

http://interact.uoregon.edu/MediaLit/FA/articles/medialit.html

http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/intro.cfm

Best 2 All,

-- steve (WhoCares@nymore.Right?com), February 11, 2000.

Somehow this looks like a promotional for a company that is into web marketing... Steve, you aren't in any way associated with the folks at this company are you?

No offense meant if I am wrong. The thing I am seeing on this issue (I read the points) troubles me greatly. Here we are rushing headlong into putting a huge basket of eggs (the economy) on the back of a network which is shot full of security and plain old techonology issues.

Hell in the past three days alone the script kiddies have caused a lot of inconvienence and harmed the public offer of one corporation in the market by using OLD denial of service tools.

The network is NOT ready to be used for these purposes because the network engineers are NOT ready to provide the security and robustness that the hardware they already have will allow.

Aw, shoot, we are going to do it anyway because those companies with this great vision the article espouses will force it down everyone's throats.

The more things change...

-- Michael Erskine (Osiris@urbanna.net), February 11, 2000.

>Steve, you aren't in any way associated with the folks > at this company are you?

[Not at ALL. The only thing i was interested in was the "50 Points"...much wisdom there. To be honest, i only read the "50 Points" and i thought the "book cover" was a mock-up fake! I later found out it was real...bozo me.] >> The network is NOT ready to be used for these purposes because the network engineers are NOT ready to provide the security and robustness that the hardware they already have will allow. <<

[hmmm....what purposes? I may have missed something very important here. I was impressed with their ideas on honest, direct, natural language communication AND "people 'taking a position' (*not rigid position, but a position on what they truly see, feel and think) as opposed to the politically-correct 'nothing-mush' we see so prevalent today.

-- steve (WhoCares@nymore.Right?com), February 12, 2000.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. AOL is sucky, sukky, sukky! An abomination. How did they do it? This is the future? What a glorious new generation. I don't blame the hackers......just why didn't they bomb AOL for crying out loud? Please, someone put a bullet in their heart!

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), February 12, 2000.