I would appreciate any help in finding a graph or other information.

-- David Whitelaw (Dande53484@aol.com), February 08, 2000

Answers

David, Every night on our local news there has been something about a plane crash. I would appreciate such a chart or listing of aircraft mishaps (and near misses), if anyone has such a list.

-- No Polly (nopolly@hotmail.com), February 08, 2000.

No Polly I too am concerned about the number of mishaps. Is it possible there is a major cover-up taking place?

-- David Whitelaw (Dande53484@aol.com), February 08, 2000.

There's clearly a coverup going on. There's no other explanation.

-- (jeffDD@ticon.net), February 08, 2000.

Guys,

I doubt the information is readily available until someone actually rolls up his sleeves, does the counting, performs a statistical analysis on the results, then compares it to past data over last month, last year, last decade... There won't be any miracle until someone goes through that painstaking process. I suggested in another thread (Planes falling from the sky) a few hours earlier that someone who is studying statistics might be interested in undertaking this work (it's a lot of work). No doubt that person will become famous if it turns out there is a statistical proof that the rollover is causing all those crashes. Until someone does the job, we can only speculate. Again no miracle, just hard work, with a prospect for fame.

-- JD (cogito_ergo_sum@usa.net), February 08, 2000.

By the way, it looks like you may susbtitute "Water Main Break", or "Pipeline Rupture", for "Plane Crash" in the statistical study I am proposing. The only thing is that it may be quite difficult to find an exhaustive count of these occurrences before and after rollover. At least, plane crashes have the advantage, so to speak, of being highly-publicized and exhaustively-counted.

-- JD (cogito_ergo_sum@usa.net), February 08, 2000.

There is a site that maintains historical data on Plane Crashes Worldwide. I have seen it, unfortunately I did not mark it. I found it through similar postings/inquiries about Plane Crashes before the Roll. It should be in TB2000 archives somewhere. The lists are avaiblable, now we need some energetic tenacious individual with x- tra time to crunch the numbers. Would very much love to see it. It seems there have been intense "Clusters" before and after the Date Change.

-- wondering also (karlacalif@aol.com), February 08, 2000.

I found an airline events summary at the Michael Hyatt Forum...

www.michaelhyatt.com/discuss/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000588.html

Sorry..but I do not know how to bring the URL onto this page.

Sherry

-- Sherry B. (Sherryb@uic.edu), February 08, 2000.

Thanks Sherry. I'll check it out.

-- David Whitelaw (Dande53484@aol.com), February 08, 2000.

Wouldn't the FAA and NTSB "airline crash investigation division" have the info on airplane crashes?

Also, check Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines for their "stats".

Also, check Gov. "Chemical & Safety Board"

Also, wouldn't one or more environmental organizations (Sierra Club, WWF, etc.) be tracking environmental accidents.

Wouldn't EPA have records of mishaps? (Or don't they release the information they are paid to collect with taxpayers money?)

Wouldn't Industry Associations have this kind of info? Chem Manufacturers Association; Nat. Gas Association (my friend Toby qualifies); Oil Companies would have their own records...wouldn't they?

UN tracks non of this?

Anyone hear of FOIA?

And if we can't even keep track of what is happening, accidents...and learn from them...then WE are already in deep Guano...cause we never going to have an accurage map of the Territory we are trying to 'Navigate to The Future' with...mud on the windshield, wrong directions, and all...huh?

Bad luck!~

-- steve (WhoCares@nymore.Right?com), February 08, 2000.

Here is a site where someone is starting to graph airplane 'incidents'

http://www.2000now.org/airplane

-- Hen Pecked (theskyisfalling@chickenlittle.com), February 08, 2000.

Steve,

Somehow, I have the feeling that we'd have more chances with the little guy starting to count what happened this year, deriving categories of accidents/incidents, crunching the numbers and coming up with a pattern that can easily be compared to pre-rollover conditions.

I doubt that a big governmental organization is going to start clamoring that flying a plane has become an unsafe proposition, until it is painfully clear to everyone else. If anything, I would expect them to manipulate the numbers to show that flying is still perfectly safe until they become the last one to say so.

-- JD (cogito_ergo_sum@usa.net), February 08, 2000.

JD -

You know what Pal...!??

(i think u r right!...smile)

This thread was just posted on TB2000 and may answer some of the questions put above:

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002WHI

thanx due to whomever posted it...for sure.

-- steve (WhoCares@nymore?.Right?.com), February 08, 2000.

Try this

2000 Now (graph of airplane incidents

http://www.2000now.org/airplane/

-- Homer Beanfang (Bats@inbellfry.com), February 08, 2000.