Is this turning into his private newsroom? Geeze..... 9 strait posts, what has any of this to do with Y2K?

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), February 05, 2000

Answers

I don't know about everyone else, but I appreciate it. Saves me a lot of surfing time. Thanks again Carl.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), February 05, 2000.

carl, thanks. i appreciate the fact that you are still looking for raw information from which we can make our own conclusions regarding possible y2k glitches. apparently cherri doesn't understand that.

-- tt (cuddluppy@aol.com), February 05, 2000.

Carl, keep up the good work, enjoy your posts. Your input is appreciated -- even if it's not strictly Y2K all the time. Thanks.

-- Lurkess (Lurkess@Lurking.XNet), February 05, 2000.

is this asshole STILL around? geez .. for someone who thinks y2k is a NON ISSUE, y2kpro sure wastes enuf time on this forum.

-- lou (lanny1@ix.netcom.com), February 05, 2000.

You mean you want every little problem in the world posted here just in case one of them may actually be a Y2K failure?

Why?

I guess this forum is not longer about Y2K, maybe you should change the name.

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), February 05, 2000.

Cherri

It is not possible to change the name of the forum. Also from what my tick tock says we are in the Year 2000 which is what Y2K stands for so there is no need to change the name. It could be time to change the "about" introduction to the forum.

As you are well aware there are legal - insurance implications of releasing comp failures in business press releases so there isn't much of a chance in finding out the truth from those sources. Plus the fact that there are serious issues outstanding that haven't been resolved on the world stage that aren't comp related. It is nice to have the collective contributions of many diverse individuals on these different topics.

Who knows we may be learning something new as time goes on.

Mind you chemtrails aren't included in my interests :o)

-- Brian (imager@home.com), February 05, 2000.

There you go again Mistress Cherri,

You are trying to refashion the world (and this forum) to fit your myopic conception of the world. While I am usre you may reconize an areoplane two out of three times. I am not in the least doubt that you cannot exent such gifted talent to seeing possible "date difficulities" (must be PC for your understanding) in the numerous failed valves in pipelines, and / or oil refineries.But then; I am sure you will come around shorty. For there are things that are occuring, even now. Which might indeed a domino effect your little corner of the universe...

Possibly eye glasses might help dear lady...I know that the poor goose and turkey are getting tired of being dinged with your famous "fast draw and shoot from the hip" techinques.

"As for me...I shall finish the Game"!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Shakey~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-- Shakey (in_a_bunker@forty.feet), February 05, 2000.

Hey Cherri, we all know how you win an argument and back out of your commitments, give us a break and find another stomping grounds.

Carl, the vast majority of the folks here APPRECIATE your efforts to uncover any and all matters relating to y2k. It is a GIVEN that governments and corporations will only LIE and DECEIVE when it comes to y2k.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), February 05, 2000.

Hi Cherri,

We had a discussion about this awhile back...I can't remember which thread it was...but we talked about how this forum evolved. I shared my "Theory of Forum Evolution" which was stolen from Darwin. LOL Well, Diane likes the word "morphed" better. But either way, it has gone through a change.

I did not come here until the day before rollover, so I'm not up on the climate of this forum before that. I'm a Polloomer (I made it up), so when I saw all the OT's out there, I figured I would go ahead and jump right in there too. I am guilty of OTing up a storm too, but there are many topics I avoid.

I'm all for a forum name change...something like "Year 2000 Issues" or something like that. I plan to monitor the Y2K issue throughout the entire year here, so it doesn't matter either way to me. I am simply a guest here and not in charge of the board. I will respect whatever decisions are made...afterall, I don't pay the bills for it. =)

Carl has contributed a lot. You pose a good question about off topic posts, but I am grateful for Carl's input. I appreciate anyone who takes the time to contribute to the board. The news gets out fast here, and you can best believe this site has the attention of lots of people who are LQQKing for Waldos. =)

-- Dee (t1colt556@aol.com), February 05, 2000.

Cherri, I don't have time to enumerate why so may of the posts I put up are related to y2k. I posted 9 at a time because I don't have time to come back to TB2000 every time I find a relevant story. Many are related to possible embedded systems failures. Perhaps you should do a little homework before you unfairly critisize what I am doing..To others, thanks for the support..

-- Carl Jenkins (Somewherepress@aol.com), February 05, 2000.

Carl, Homer, Dee, Shakey, N.F.L.& the rest of you fine people.You have been a God send to us. As it is you don`t get enough credit for the info. you track down for all of us to share. My typing skills are poor at best my surfing skills aren`t much better, my computer abilities rival my typing skills. THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH! Pam is a wiz on the computer but we don`t have much time for her to teach me much.So without you good people we would be far less informed about this unstable world.

-- pam&bob (P&B prepped@pikes peak.com), February 05, 2000.

~~~~~~~~~~~~Shakey speak~~~~~~~~~~~ "....refashion the world (and this forum) to fit your myopic conception ..."

It is my understanding that myopia causes conception not infrequently...hehe

Regards.... hehehe

-- Pieter (zaadz@icisp.net.au), February 05, 2000.

numerous failed valves in pipelines, and / or oil refineries

Sahkey, I understand and believe all of the trouble with iol refineries and pipelines, but I do not believe they are connected to "embedded chips". They wwere happening long before the Y2K rollover and will long after.

I am rather dissapointed you mention myopia in the disparenging way you have, it is not fair to make fun of a persons "disability" that way, and if you had bothered to look at one of the two pictures I have posted you would know I already wear glasses because of it.

I appreciate your recient awknowledgment of a few of my many talents and accomplishments, one would thing that would encourage you to go further and attempt to recognise the possibility that I am also correct in other areas you refuse to consider.

What do you "blame" the past failures in refineries on? Embedded systems? Ok. But were those failure due to Y2K? Or were they do to other reasons? I am not discounting the fact that embedded systems may have caused them, I am discounting the fact that Y2K is causing the ones we are experiencing now.

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), February 05, 2000.

Regarding the relevancy of the stories I posted:

1) Sewers story is relevant because the individual who was found guilty of federal charges owns hundreds of sewage plants and water treatment plants around the country. I am not confident that this individual has done anything to mitigate possible y2k problems.

2) Oil Shortage Stories are relevant because they indicate there is a serious supply shortage which may very possibly be caused by y2k problems at refineries and with pipelines/embedded systems failures.

3) The oil spill problem is relevant because the cause is unexplained as are numerous other pipeline failures and explosions around the world over the last few months.

4) The report card glitch is clearly y2k related

5) the australian avgas crisis was caused by faulty fuel mixtures at a highly computerised refinery.

6)The whistleblower story is relevant because it shows why people are afriad to come forward with possibkle y2k safety related issues.

7)The price gouging story is similarly relevant because it illustrates the ruthlessness and monopoly power of oil industry giants.

-- Carl Jenkins (Somewherepress@aol.com), February 05, 2000.

Cherri,
You can deny that the embedded chip is
the problem when they fail, but your
denial is of little consequence. We may
never know which of these failures have
their root in the century change. Only
by statistics and the increase in failure
will this be revealed.

Carl,
Thanks much for your work, it is much
appreciated.

-- spider (spider0@usa.net), February 05, 2000.

Carl, thank you for taking the time to find and post information the majority of people at this forum find of interest.

Cherri, you administer your own forum--you notice Diane doesn't post there, criticizing the material posted by your forum members. Do her the same courtesy.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), February 05, 2000.

People are able to discern for themselves for the most part, if you don't like it Cherri feel free to leave.

Go Carl go, and thank you very much.

-- Will (righthere@home.now), February 05, 2000.

Carl is a top-flight former broadcast news director of an awardwinning newsroom. I respect his judgment.

A real professional who honors the truth, he keeps saving stories for the archives that our mainstream mediocracy would just as soon downplay as part of an integrated whole. We need his posts in one place for future reference and research.

To me, there are few journalism heroes left. He is one of them.

If you don't like what he is doing, go find yourself a banana republic. The news may be sweeter there.

-- Normally (Oxsys@aol.com), February 05, 2000.

I happen to like Carl's posts and appreciate them. It's easy to skip over posts you don't like and there aren't that many of them to lose sleep over.

What is really troublesome is how our world seems to be falling apart at the seams, from the emergency federal reserve meeting this weekend, to the world wide oil shortage, to Japan's outrageous banking problems. All parts are interrelated, and I personally appreciate being brought up to speed in a sector I know nothing about. Most Americans perfer to watch soap operas and sitcoms. I'm here (and elsewhere) soaking up information of all types. I believe I have a better chance of reacting in timely manner to crisis situations as a result. My preps are up to speed, and they are staying that way.

-- paul leblanc (bronyaur@gis.net), February 05, 2000.

Another salute to Carl J. from me. Thanks Carl, Homer, etc. I know I am breaking my self-imposed policy on troll-feeding here, but it gave me another opportunity to show my appreciation for you guys.

-- Kyle (fordtbonly@aol.com), February 05, 2000.

Carl, Again thanks for your valuable information. Cherri might not understand but from all the other posts I've read the rest of us do.

-- Shoo (flyonthewalls@yahoo.com), February 05, 2000.

Personally, I wish y2k was over. It gives me no pleasure to report the sorts of problems and incidents that keep appearing. The sorts of things that were predicted to happen if y2k bugs struck are exactly the sorts of problems that are frequently occuring. Unfortunately, the only way we can see a broad picture of possible y2k problems is by looking at possible results, like the current fuel supply problems, the australian avgas cris, problems with nuclear power plants, unexplained power and telecommunications outages, pipeline explosions, and so on. Sadly, there is no comprehensive database to compare current incident rate with. The incidents and events report here and on other y2k forums may or may not be y2k related. We have no way of knowing and no one in any industry or government is admitting to y2k problems because to do so might disturb increasingly fragile markets or raise the potential liability issue.

-- Carl Jenkins (Somewherepress@aol.com), February 05, 2000.

If you meander on over to DeBunker's site (which BTW is still there for the reading), you will notice that Cherri has posted many, many times there, hell, you would think it was her private forum. BTW, she does have a private forum: http://www.egroups.com/group/year-two-thousand/ There are only 13 threads on her site beginning 9/29/99, and the last being on 2/4/00. The only way you can post at her forum is by password only. OT means off topic. BTW Cherri, what does your post here have to do with Y2K?

-- bardou (bardou@baloneyy.xcom), February 05, 2000.

Hi Carl: Thanks for the info. A few posters on the forum have earned such high credibility with me, that I immediately scan the postings for their names. You are one of them. Thanks again.

-- Surrounded (hiding@thefirststate.com), February 05, 2000.

Carl, Thank you very much for your time and posts. Please keep it up.

-- (dorado@doco.com), February 05, 2000.

Carl

Thanks for the posting. I appreciate your efforts and hard work. Again thank you very much for your input and efforts!

-- PA Engineer (PA Engineer@longtimelurker.com), February 05, 2000.

Carl,

Keep posting, please! Many times it's several days (if ever) before I see the information you share with us in my local newspaper. I appreciate your hard work, as do countless others.

Cherri,

I'm curious as to the real reason why you care what does and what doesn't get posted here. Wouldn't your time be better spent developing your own forum?

-- Wilferd (WilferdW@aol.com), February 05, 2000.

Your friend Paul Davis at the Gary North is a Big Fat Idiot forum needs help too because there's only been one post today.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), February 05, 2000.

Cherri, Go away. Your posts are seldom useful. Carl is doing a good job!

-- Curt (weathermountain@blue ridge.com), February 05, 2000.

http://stand77.com/wwwboard/messages/12803.html

Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Posted by (209.245.173.251) Cherri on January 30, 2000 at 21:21:03:

In Reply to: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! posted by Anita on January 30, 2000 at 19:29:30:

One of the things I appreciated about our forums was that our regulars never caused it to become degraded down to the level of other forums. There were a lot of people who disagreed with us and showed their asses in the way they posted on our forums, but overall we acted like the adults we are. I find it rather pathetic that LL actually thinks she can come here and "drive" the regular females off. In real life I can just picture her with her walking around the office, licking her lips and letting her shirt drop off of her shoulders just far enough to expose a little too much of her breast. If it were not so pathetic it would be funny. What she fails to realize is that not only are the women here secure in their knowledge and abilites, they are secure in their womanhood and are in no way threatened by some female who only knows how to act coy, flirt, and manipulate to get attention. As for the men, they are not pubescent males who loose their ability to think when they encounter a woman who shows herself off. They do appear to be rather dumstruck over her behavior, although that is understandable, seeing as how they are used to social intercourse with real women like us. It is all based on respect, respect for ourselves and respect for each other. Neither LL or anyone else can remove the respect we hold for each other, and the inappropriate behavior she displays does nothing but reflect badly on her. It is obvious that she is attempting to push our buttons and cause us to loose our tempers and "react" to her in her own manner, but that will not happen as we have no desire to lower ourselves down to her level. We are not the ones that will "go away".

------------ Sounds like Cherri is calling the kettle black. Bardou

-- bardou (bardou@ballonneyy.xcom), February 05, 2000.

thanks Carl. Good job.

Cherri, looks like you lose by a vote of about 20 to 1. sorry.

-- JoseMiami (caris@prodigy.net), February 05, 2000.

Thanks for all your hard work Carl. Your information is always solid.

Cherri reminds me of my kids who call everything they do not understand "stupid". I just ignore them; I do the same with her. My kids will grow up, she may too.

-- John (LITTMANNJ@AOL.COM), February 05, 2000.

Thanks bardou, I wandered over and check the egroups link you posted. Wow, things are really humming over there, huh? Hehehe

-- Kyle (fordtbonly@aol.com), February 05, 2000.

CARL:

We appreciate your posts --- keep going till there's no more need.

EVERYBODY:

Even if Y2K finally turns out to be way overestimated by us doomers, this forum has become a unique locus of experts in many, many fields -- who are quick to sort out for us fact from fancy. This is incredibly useful, and we may well need a tool such as this down the road, for 'things that go bump in the night' or daytime.

PIETER:

1) I made quite a few friends among the flyming Austrylians I hung out with in British Columbia, but they always spoke English to me; I didn't realize y'all had a secret language all your own, mis-using common American words to mean all kinds of other things. But I'll get over it.

2) Correction on a medical issue: Myopia doesn't cause conception -- masturbation does.

Bill

-- William J. Schenker, MD (wjs@linkfast.net), February 05, 2000.

P.S. -- Carl: Keep up the good work, it's always a pleasure to read your informative posts. Bardou

-- bardou (bardou@ballonneyy.xcom), February 05, 2000.

Carl,

I mostly lurk here so you may not know me but I have often been in awe over your dedication to this board. I would like to take this opportunity now to thank you for all your hard work. I am sorry it required this criticism for our gratitude to be expressed. Thanks to Cherri's post it enabled us to all come together and acknowledge our indebtedness to you.

-- Susan (suheller@koyote.com), February 06, 2000.

Keep up the good work, Carl. :-)

-- Tim (pixmo@pixelquest.com), February 06, 2000.

Re: Contradictions in Terms

Posted by (209.244.110.197) Cherri on January 04, 2000 at 23:52:58:

In Reply to: Contradictions in Terms posted by Bad Company on January 04, 2000 at 19:05:47:

"I've had a real shitty year, just wanted to try to start it out on a positive note. Guess I will just leave so all of my ditzy posts won't irritate anyone any more."

Cherri: Would you please do that for us here at TB2000? Thank you.

-- bardou (bardou@ballonneyy.xcom), February 06, 2000.

Carl Jenkins is ...


The
MASTER
of
DISASTER




-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), February 06, 2000.

So of Carl's stories, only the report card glitch IS relevent. The rest are POSSIBLY MIGHT BE.

In actuality, Carl is a tool of TPTB. By posting so much irrelevent stuff, anything really relevant will be lost in the noise.

Carl, Bill Clinton loves ya too, and also feels your pain from the unfair criticism from Cherri. He also told me to pass along his appreciation and keep up the good work.

-- Mikey2k (mikey2k@he.wont.eat.it), February 06, 2000.

Cherri:

We got a forum yes we do. We got a forum how bout you?

-- Carlos (riffraff1@cybertime.net), February 06, 2000.

Do it my way else I'm not playing with you anymore. (whinning and wimpering

-- not playing my way (Oh@my.cherri), February 06, 2000.

There once was an idiot named Cherri
who all of the forum was wary
She couldnt think straight
and only posted her hate
just so she'd appear contrary

-- Someone please find a new home for the pollies (@ .), February 06, 2000.

Carl,

Thanks for your tireless posting efforts.

Cherri,

As I understand it, youve started your own forum? Why do you even return here?

Curious behavior. Especially for a place in cyber-space you profess to disagree vehemently with.

Just think... you are FREE!!! ...to leave! Take advantage of your options... exercise your right to choice!!! Or stay. And quit kevetching!!

Its not up to you how this forum morphs or what its named. TimeBomb 2000, is quite appropriate during the Year 2000.

Have a great day. Your choice too.

*Engaging Grin*

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), February 06, 2000.

we're solidly behind you, Carl. you are the main source of my information. i find all of your posts very relevant in my opinion and they are the type of thing i would want posted. thanks.

-- boop (leafyspurge@hotmail.com), February 06, 2000.

Carl, you are doing a fabulous job. Please post whatever you feel is important. Don't hold back any info!!

-- (hal@gostek.org), February 06, 2000.

If nothing else, Carl's postings keep this forum active.

Carl, thanks also for observing/admitting:

Sadly, there is no comprehensive database to compare current incident rate with.

There is no glitch/mishap control sample from recent years to compare to, beyond the "general feeling" that there are more glitches, presumably taken from the news postings in this forum.

Carl, if you had been doing what you're doing in this forum last year or the year before, do you feel that the mishap-story-rate would have been similar?

-- Bemused (and_amazed@people.com), February 06, 2000.

She comes over here cuz no one is talking to her over there on her forum..

-- Kyle (fordtbonly@aol.com), February 06, 2000.

IMO, Cherri posted her complaint about Carl hoping someone might agree with her, and she could start a "campaign" to get rid of a really good poster! Sad, how the "debunker" crowd has to continue to come here and try to "disrupt".

Carl, if you're reading this far, I too very much appreciate your postings! Please keep up the excellent work! Thank you.

-- WhoMe? (WhoMe@no.where), February 06, 2000.