Before you blow me off, let me say, first off, that contrail theory, upon the back of Y2K, just convinced me, this board had some Kooks. I am not so sure, as of today. After pondering their theory, and watching the sky, I can tell you, I have seen what they say, they have seen. Plane after plane with the vapor thing going on. Some say, it has always been thus ( I had to come back to my old senses to remember the "vapor thing" used to be an unusual thing.) Not so today, every one of them, got that trail. I seem to remember, in the old days, those vapors, disapated, not now, other's description, fit in with what I witnessed. They (vapors) took on another form, and spread out to a type of unusual cloud cover. Now, I don't this moment, know what it means, but some past phrase of population control comes to mind.(I also realize I am not yet deceased, at this moment), But before I get too carried away, I will visit you one link: http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/F-15ACTIVE/Small/EC96-43485-5.jpg I didn't dream it, nor invent it. You read, if you have the energy, you keep drilling down for a truth. It isn't easy or quick. I just spent the last 1.5 hours on that drill down. If you have the energy, will you search for a vapor trail being a natural thing on anything but a show boat and occasional. If there are any pilots looking, please put me in my place, while I continue to drill.

-- I looked up (doyourrese@rch.com), February 02, 2000

Answers

Perhaps these contrails are due to some jetfuel additive --- perhaps like the MTBE that was added to gasoline and then found to aggravate asthma and respiratory problems in allergic people. Maybe something intended to be "useful" (e.g., increase mileage, reduce pollution, clean jet engines -- just guessing) turns out to cause these strange contrails and actually increase air pollution.

There could be explanations other than conspiracy to purposely spray populations of Americans.

Let's consider the more logical scientific possibilities first.

Any jet fuel knowledgeable people or Pilots out there know anything?

-- just guessing (who@knows.com), February 02, 2000.

Watched a show last night on the history channel about the CIA's secret experiments with LSD in the 50's. Chilling, what they do in the name of science. Step right up Mengele. No matter what the jet trails are, O.K. or evil, there's a whole lot rotten going on out there. Fox Mulder I salute you.

-- only (hope@in.Jesus), February 02, 2000.

for anyone who cares, there are some interesting chemtrail stories at:

www.rense.com

page down to the headlines section....

more at:

www.contrailconnection.com

for those uninitiated, this is a real phenomenon. it has been going on in denver since late 1998. there have been community and neighborhood meetings to discuss this activity. papers won't touch it. i have photos that show obvious x's and grid patterns that do not dissipate for hours, eventually creating hazy cloud cover...normal contrails are merely ice crystals and water vapor. they dissipate quickly.

normal contrails also cannot form below 31,000 feet. these planes often times fly well below commercial altitudes. sometimes low enough to see that there are no markings whatsoever on the planes.

the planes often defy obvious faa regulations...they fly right next to each other. they fly parallel paterns, right on top of one another. they fly cross hatch and x patterns where two planes intersect within seconds of one another, at the same altitude.

just take a look up, often. and pretty soon what now seems outlandish will become self evident.

these planes are spraying something. what it is, or what the nature of it is, i have no idea.

either way, i don't like not knowing.

sick of being treated like a child in the name of 'national security'. sick of the bs.

tell me the truth.

-- mike (mike@knuckledragger.com), February 03, 2000.

The link posted by "I looked up" -- http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/F- 15ACTIVE/Small/EC96-43485-5.jpg shows an F15 in a tight turn over desert terrain. No contrail is visible, just the usual desert haze in the distance. What's the point of this?

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), February 03, 2000.

Tom, you most stupid, to be in this "real life" look at the pictures again, and hard,

-- Sick up (@fedbpollywannDOODLE.COM), February 03, 2000.

Until there are many, sundry and independent analyses of "just what" is being sprayed, I am skeptical. Just to say one sees "con/chem trails" with nothing to show, is dubious at best. The respiratory stuff is common enough with ragweed/pollen/mold, all-season, as well as the flu season we have had, (and so many I know have allergies/sinus probs all year round).

I have read ONE report that said the residue after a spraying was id'd as "ethylene dibromide" ( or was it "diethylene bromide"), but with no explanation as to what this chemical would do do a populace being sprayed. As in the old miner days, the canary died if noxious gases were present...where are all the dead birds in CA (the latest con/chemtrail report.)?

It's not that I DON'T believe this might be being done, but by whom, to what PURPOSE and to WHAT END? If this is able to be answered with analytical data, I would be most appreciative and perhaps not such a skeptic....(smile)

-- Birdlady (Bird@nest.home), February 03, 2000.

i looked up- "welcome to the ever growing community of so called `kooks`. at this rate it won`t be long before we ARE the majority.....lol

-- mutter (murmur@ya.com), February 03, 2000.

I never thought I'd see a chemtrail, but I have. I live in a small town in central Wisconsin. The nearist jet airport is about 50 miles away. In the 20 years I've been here I've heard an overhead jet engine once, and that was a Lear flying in a VIP for something-or- other. The rule is, that you can see contrails frequently, and if you look very closely, you can make out the speck that is the aircraft, but you never, never hear them. On three separate occations I have seen and heard jet aircraft laying down smoke trails. The planes were so low I could count the engines on the wing. Now if I lived in a large metropolitian area, with a big airport, I'd probably wouldn't give it a second thought. But here there is absolutely no reason for a jet aircraft to be flying so low wheather or not is was making a trail. There is no place for it to go. What I want to know is if "they" are testing an anti-bacterial chemical, what did they spray in the air to see if it worked.

-- What the... (here@there.com), February 03, 2000.

So, what am I supposed to see when I look hard at the picture?

Admittedly stupid about aircraft, JC

-- Just Curious (jnmpow@flash.net), February 03, 2000.

"Tom, you most stupid, to be in this "real life" look at the pictures again, and hard,

-- Sick up (@fedbpollywannDOODLE.COM), February 03, 2000.

Stupid, maybe -- but not blind. The sky in the picture is clear, the overall haziness is not unusual at some seasons (I lived in Nevada for a couple of years, trust me on this), the aircraft shows up close, sharp and colorful --- and it's not leaving a contrail. If you see more than that in this picture, why keep it a secret?

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), February 03, 2000.

I saw three this noon heading east to west over Austin,Tx and their vapor trail dissipated very quickly..last week I saw four,two going east to west and two going south to north at slighted varied times but within an hour and half time frame and their trails slowly came apart into wispy looking clouds and covered most of the sky...sure is curious..I haven't seen this many in a long time

-- george (jones@choices.com), February 03, 2000.

Sorry Tom, to not answer and lend to confusion. I sought to show that most normal flights aka my link, do not show plumes of smoke.. But Mercy, All Mighty, the trails I have been seeing, with my own eyes has been very different. I wish I had a digital camera, to show others, for their opinion. What a stupid thread I started, with no proof, other than word of mouth.

-- I looked up (doyourrese@rch.com), February 15, 2000.

All you guys just go to this sight and you wil know the answere. The AIR FORCE HAS WRITTEN A PAPER ABOUT CONTROLLING THE WEATHER http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/vol3ch15.pdf

ALSO- http://home1.gte.net/quakker/documents/chemtrails_over_america- interesting_reading.htm#spot-1 ALSO- http://www.apfn.org/apfn/contrails.htm

-- Steve Osborne (steve8511@sprintpcs.com), October 19, 2004.