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Since Kodak Recording is not available anymore I was looking for new ways. Some of the worst grain I ever had was HP5 one stop overexposed plus overdeveloped. Actually that day I was not looking for grain, but it suits the pictures. Someone did recommend HP5 @3200 in "hot" ID 11, say 300C. So I tried Forte 400 @ 3200 in 300C Bromophen (1:6) and the grain is not small at all. 5 mins at continius agation. Contrast is pretty high and shadow detail fairly poor. If looking for a less extreme look rate at 800-1000 and cut agaition.
If I find some Fomapan 800 that should give even more grain, at least I found it rather grainy in ID 11. (Using the Bromophen which is more alkalic pumps up the contrast).
Add a Kodak 29 Filter and go insane! Not bad enough? Use a cheap paper and do lith printing with that negative!
Kind regards from the research lab!
p.s. One can obtain grainy pictures by printing from crossed slide film.
-- Wolfram Kollig (email@example.com), February 01, 2000
You might also try Tri-X developed in Dektol. Royal-X Pan (may no longer be available) was great developed in Rodinal.
-- (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 01, 2000.
Tri-X in Dektol? At what development times?
-- photo (email@example.com), February 01, 2000.
I tried some FP4+ in Dektol the other day. The grain wasn't anywhere near as large as I expected. My time was 6mins in stock Deltol @ 22C. My regular time for FP4+ in LC29 (1:29) is 6 mins @ 20C. I actually processed half the film in each developer for a direct comparision. The Dektol negs were significantly more contrasty. I did this in a plastic toy camera, which I have no idea what the shutter speed was but the LC29 developed negs were a bit thiner than my regular negs. The pics look fairly soft due to the toy lens I think, next time I will use some decent glass (Nikon in my case) to see if I get sharp but grainy pics! The level and 'look' of the Dektol inspired grain has potential I think.
-- NIgel Smith (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 01, 2000.
One easy way to get big grain is to use a "low tech" film like Tri-X or HP-5 or alternately Tmax 3200 or Delta 3200, a non-fine grain developer like Rodinal, frame the subject "loose" and crop the print alot.
-- Tim Brown (email@example.com), February 02, 2000.
Kodak Recording Film (2475) not available anymore? But I just bought some a couple months ago from B&H...
-- Walter Massa (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 02, 2000.
Try Tri-X in Rodinal 1:100. Starting time 30 minutes @ 70F.
-- Peter Hughes (email@example.com), February 02, 2000.
If you want large ugly grains, here's one way. Get some Kodak Ektapress 1600 (PJC 1600) and rate it at 6400. Print it on Panalure and crop in.
Alternatively, shoot some Provia 1600 at 6400 and cross process that. Then, again, print on Panalure and crop in.
I am not responsible if your editor fires ya. Good luck.
-- David Hou (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 06, 2000.
If it is grain you want and sharpness too then Agfa APX 400 shot at 250 and developed in Rodinal 1+100 at 68 degrees constant agitation for the first minute then 2 inversions every minute for 19 more minutes. Gorgeous, simple gorgeous...want reticulation too? Then rinse the film with ice water...Im not kidding...then iced stop, then ice water, then 100 degree fix...heat and use the fix in a well vented area...please...then ice water rinse and normal temperature wash. Jim
-- Jim Vanson (email@example.com), February 10, 2000.