De Bunker is going down

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Guess they didn't like my last post :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), January 31, 2000

Answers

http://www.stand77.com/wwwboard/board.html

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), January 31, 2000.

They really didn't have any choice, since it looks like they have become accessories to several actionable (if not criminal) events in the past few days.

If they're smart, they won't go on an evidence-destruction binge, although I suspect that the interested parties have done their archiving already.

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), January 31, 2000.


Yup :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), January 31, 2000.

Did I mention that my favorite film was Pale Rider?

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), January 31, 2000.

HELMETS, err, ahhh...

Cool Tinfoil Hats...

ON!!!

<:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), January 31, 2000.



Ya... I know.... sorry :-)

But what else could I do? :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), January 31, 2000.


There's nothing like a nice piece of hickory.

-- Preacher (riding@out.of.town), January 31, 2000.

No need to apologize here.

<:)))))=

That's a very big grin .....

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), January 31, 2000.


Thanx sysman..... that helps..... altho there were some on that board..... :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), January 31, 2000.

Netghost,

Death is ugly!!

and complete.

What is the reason for your fight?

Beans? enough to feed 30 people for a year.

I still didn't WANT to fight anyone

-- Hatti (KLavine@tco.com), January 31, 2000.



Hatti,

You are one of the reasons....... justa loud mouth ass..... look in a mirror :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), January 31, 2000.


Netghost,

How much (Many) beans do "YOU" have????

-- Hatti (klavine@tco.com), January 31, 2000.


Netghost, explain it to me. I am the resident naive newbie here. I peeked at debonkers and it scared me. I don't think I am wrong about Y2k....okokokok(Joe Pesci in the Lethal Weapon movies). Forget all that...but whatever happens; why do people flame and hate each other?

-- Kyle (fordtbonly@aol.com), January 31, 2000.

Oh no....a thought just occurred.....does this mean LL will come here also? HELP someone....but then could there be a mutant linked board where we could chat with her just for the entertainment value? I know it is perverse but I can handle(I think)seeing the behavior which she blatanty displays before she goes postal.

-- Kyle (fordtbonly@aol.com), January 31, 2000.

........another one bites the dust

; D

-- Charli (claypool@belatlantic.net), January 31, 2000.



Sysman,

Are you sure people would see that as just a very big grin, and it wouldn't be taken as a regular grin with a quadruple chin? I mean, I used something close to it one time and it started to worry me...

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 31, 2000.


Gypsy Fortune Teller prognosticates.

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), January 31, 2000.

netghost or redeye want to expand on your surmises??

either here or in an e-mail to me??

Chuck

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), January 31, 2000.


Surmises as to what? (guessing you mean as to why they're shutting down, but not sure)

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), January 31, 2000.

They're shutting down because they can't admit how wrong they were about Y2K, so they're running away with their tails between their legs like the pathetic cowards that they are. Good riddance.

-- (hal@gostek.org), January 31, 2000.

http://stand77.com/wwwboard/board.html

***This forum will close on Monday January 31, 2000 at 11PM Pst****

Posted by (209.170.208.90) Doc Paulie on January 30, 2000 at 23:07:41:

In Reply to: ****This forum will close on Monday January 31, 2000 at 11PM Pst**** posted by Doc Paulie on January 30, 2000 at 22:57:12:

Due to the work of "they know who", this forum has lost the ability to accomplish anything. Sad it came to this but it has. Besides the forum is at least 3 weeks past being closed anyhow as Y2k is a DONE TURKEY.

We done good folks. Hats off to all! I will decline a sappy post as many of us will continue on our friendships in other fora. Enough to say, while this IS the end of Debunking Y2k(Y2k Debunked), there WILL BE new projects ahead from this camp. I will notify by email. Anyone interested, and not sure I have your email, forward to me to be added to any announcements I send out.

Thanks again to all, been a wild ride.

God Bless, Doc Paulie

"Due to the work of 'they know who', this forum has lost the ability to accomplish anything."

Despite the very best efforts of the Debunking Y2K crowd to close down Timebomb 2000, success was always well out of their reach. They attempted to "defuse and take over." They encouraged and launched troll attacks. They perpetrated hoaxes. They posted fake doomer wacko posts. They petitioned MIT to close us down. They tried to persuade politicians to exert influence on MIT. (All under the banner of free speech, in which they failed to detect the slightest bit of irony.) They bombed and spammed. Who knows what else they tried that has yet to ooze out from under the slimy rocks they inhabit? For at least nine months the Debunkers and their satellite trolls bombarded this forum with everything they had. It wasn't enough. In the very best traditions of this country, they were unable to stifle this particular bastion of free speech. It only took two persistent trolls and a sick individual about two weeks to weary the Debunkers. Someone made a complaint to those who employ one of the trolls which effectively snuffed out his activities but Netghost continued. While I do not advocate trashing someone else's forum, you will not expect me to express regret over Debunking's demise.

This is not to say that the Debunkers and their fellow travelers have finished with TB2K. On the contrary, I believe their efforts to close down this forum will be redoubled.

-- Old Git/Outings R (anon@spamproblems.com), January 31, 2000.


I wonder why with all the experience they gained, they didn't go on to debunk other isues? Could it be they're so rigid and narrow-minded they can't move on to something else?

-- Curious (in@the.burbs), January 31, 2000.

They crossed the line, and when they realized it, they had one of those Special Moments of Clarity.

I guess it's hard to administer a hate site when your testicles have pulled up to your voicebox.

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), January 31, 2000.


Old Git,

You make an excellent point when you say, "I believe their efforts to close down this forum will be redoubled."

From what I've seen there, some of those guys (apparently most of us know who) are full of irrational hate. They'll now have nowhere else to vent, and they're going to be out lookin' for some action.

Brace yourselves, folks. Sysops, take note.

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 31, 2000.


Thankfully, we don't have any doorknobs for them to lick.......

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), January 31, 2000.

Speak for yourself -- I've got one rigged up to my Y2K-Compliant 220 volt generator! (bseg)

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), January 31, 2000.

Please don't shut down TB2K!! It is one of the best laughs I get during the day. Read the post from Luna for the winner of today's chuckle, especially the part about Uranus bringing explosive change to the public's house.

Just fabulous.

-- Imso (lame@prepped.com), January 31, 2000.


In that case, you'd better cover Uranus, don't you think?

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), January 31, 2000.

Old Git,

LOLOLOLOL

-- Dee (T1Colt556@aol.com), January 31, 2000.


Another doorknob licker?

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), January 31, 2000.

http://www.stand77.com/wwwboard/messages/12829.html

Join me over at Contrails 2000

Posted by (206.172.145.4) Y2K Pro on January 31, 2000 at 05:23:21:

I know they're a pathetic lot of myopic creeps, but poking their noses in their own effluence is more fun than you can imagine...

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), January 31, 2000.


Results from WHOIS server whois.arin.net for query: 206.172.145.4

WorldLinx Telecommunications, Inc. (NETBLK-WORLDLINX-6) WORLDLINX04 206.172.0.0 - 206.172.255.0

contact info:

http://www.picksys.com/company/finger.html

-- - (WHOIS@tells.all), January 31, 2000.


Whois doesn't tell *quite* all.

NSLookup tells the rest:

Address: 206.172.145.4

Name: ppp16164.on.bellglobal.com

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), January 31, 2000.


In addition to the threat to come over here to harass, one of their regulars said something like "see you all in four weeks" after saying that it was too bad they had to close the joint.

Are they planning on reopening again?

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), January 31, 2000.


De Bunkers is just one of the numerous meltdowns in progress......

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), January 31, 2000.

Yup. They're... toast!

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), January 31, 2000.

Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam...

TOASTED spam on crust!

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), January 31, 2000.


Man, oh, man.

CPR is flipping out!

He's even following up his one ravings with carbon copies of themselves!

I hope his keeper has 911 on the speed dialer.

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), January 31, 2000.


hud. one=own

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), January 31, 2000.

Just in case you missed it, Redeye --

Note to 'redeye' at the StinkPit

Posted by (165.247.46.37) Patricia on January 31, 2000 at 06:43:07:

I simply refuse to post over there. Sorry for taking up the space here. [She READS TB2K, you understand, and she LURKS as an anon at Bok's chatroom, so she WILL listen at keyholes, but heaven forfend she POST over here!]

. . .one of their regulars said something like "see you all in four weeks" after saying that it was too bad they had to close the joint.

Are they planning on reopening again?

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), January 31, 2000

Jeez, but some of you really are, um, logically-impaired.

When I said "see ya in about four weeks", I was talking to Doc -- directly. [Redeye, you must have missed Doc's post a few weeks ago about a "certain little lady." I believe Patricia is moving to be with her amour.]

Now don't you have some car crashes and train derailments and oil prices to report or something? Aren't there any chemtrails over your house right about now? [Don't you think they're a perfect match?]

-- Love (Blooms@Bonkers.yet!), January 31, 2000.


Well if Her Majesty is too high and mighty to address me here, I guess she can just go piss up a rope.

I suggest you find a better job. Carrying her water can't pay THAT much.

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), January 31, 2000.


Kyle,
Here's an offer you might wish to take advantage of.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), January 31, 2000.

There isn't anything left to debunk. Y2k is over.

Old git, I see you are still telling people what to think. Too bad they can think for themselves and see through you.

And the Debunkers were right about Y2K and you were wrong, that is what brings out all of that hostility you are showing.

This is now "Carl's world glitch and oil failure forum".

Nothing worth bothering with here anymore. There is no longer any need to debunk the hype that Y2K will bring down the infrastructure and cause everyone to live without electricity and other necessities.

Just think, ladylogic needs somewhere else to post now, maybe she will come back here and entertain you.

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), January 31, 2000.


The violent threats are beginning already.

Looks like the trapped rat syndrome.

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), January 31, 2000.


Cherri, if your opinion mattered one whit to me, then your post would have been worth the laboriousness it took to produce it. As it is, you wasted all that time.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), January 31, 2000.

Cherri,

You said,

"the Debunkers were right...and you were wrong..."

Apparently you haven't understood this issue. If Old Git and the rest of us prepped based on research, etc. followed by a risk assessment -- say, a 30% (or even not so specifically quantified) chance that things would go bad, and things turned out ok -- and did this to the best of our ability -- how were we wrong?

I think that if you were familiar with the principles behind investment and insurance, you wouldn't be making such naive statements.

Cherri -- please keep this in mind -- It never really was an issue of "polly" vs. "doomer", or even who turned out "right" or who was "wrong". By far, the most important issue here is who chose to think and who chose to get by on sloth, indifference, and dumb luck.

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 31, 2000.


By far, the most important issue here is who chose to think and who chose to get by on sloth, indifference, and dumb luck.

Good point, eve. We're the only ones that actually thought about the problem. The pollies were just lazy and stupid, but they got lucky. They won't be so lucky next time.

-- (brett@miklos.org), January 31, 2000.


Ya know,

It looks to me like those guys decided to blow that popsickle stand in a hurry for some reason. Ol' papadoc(.com) had put forth some effort to change the look of the place just days before. They were talking about new directions and right about that same time, one of their detractors (of only two) said goodbye! That only left we know who :-) to carry on and he was frankly, pretty polite under the circumstances. Why are they all of a sudden "unable to accomplish their work due to they know who they are" when they've only had Casper on board for the last two days? Rats deserting a sinking ship? Rats with secrets, afraid of expose', I'd say.

What

-- Charli (claypool@belatlantic.net), January 31, 2000.


(Lurk mode off...momentarily)

Debunkies is closing? Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of misanthropic a**holes.

From time to time I still come here and scan the threads...this particular one caught my eye...it was nice to see it.

(Lurk mode back on)

-- Ludi (ludi@rollin.com), January 31, 2000.


Who is David L? Not clicking on the offer until I know who he/she is.

-- Kyle (fordtbonly@aol.com), January 31, 2000.

Kyle,

It appears to be a safe link. Go on and tell us who he/she is...Enquiring minds want to know...hee hee

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), January 31, 2000.


Eve,

Cherri -- please keep this in mind -- It never really was an issue of 
"polly" vs. "doomer", or even who turned out "right" or who was 
"wrong". By far, the most important issue here is who chose to think 
and who chose to get by on sloth, indifference, and dumb luck. 

With all due respect, I find your assessment shortsighted and, well, rather bitter...

I'm an analyst/admin/programmer, and have worked off and on Y2K projects for over 2 years now at two major US companies in the health care and financial industries. I've Been to meetings with Y2K grunts in various cross-industry seminars. Actually found and fixed some Y2K problems myself, a claim I don't think many doomers can actually make.

I never, ever, ever depend on "dumb luck". I saw things get better and better as 1999 wore on, in my companies and in the other companies I had contact with. This is what I base important judgements on - actual observation and personal experience. Not slothfullness. Not indifference.

I also saw what seemed to me to be rather strange behaviour among people - and I think I saw it for what it was, the mass effects of hype on those with a either a lack of metacognition, or simply without the avenues to insight those of us who actually worked on the problem had. I don't think it was funny, as some did, and I honestly can't say that I feel good about "winning" the argument when many among those who "lost" were probably good people who didn't deserve to get taken for a ride by the Y2K profiteers and attention-seekers.

If your issues are with the idiotic trolls who feel the need to come here and spam, you are justified and I share your distaste. But please, if nothing else, please don't pass up the opportunity to learn something from this, and even if you are angry and distrustful now, leave open the possibility that most of us "pollies" involved in remediation really did know what we were talking about.

Now I'll put on my asbestos suit and shut up :^)

-- Bemused (and_amazed@you.people), January 31, 2000.


Kyle,
The link is to a posting of mine (under the Admin/Sysop category) called, "(Mostly) sincere plea to the sysops re: deleted thread," and the offer referenced therein is for a copy of a defunct but highly entertaining thread that I managed to capture just before it was deleted. At least one forumite acknowledged that it made him chuckle.

You're right to be cautious about following links to unknown places. It's not a bad idea to use the "view source" capability of one's browser to see the actual URL behind the hotlink, which perhaps is what consumer did.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), January 31, 2000.


Bemused,

First off, I have nothing but respect for the work you've done.

Secondly, I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to get across. I wrote the post quickly, and perhaps I could have chosen my words more carefully; I don't know -- I haven't examined it since I wrote it.

But my parting shots, if you will, were intended no more at the "pollies" who didn't try to reason their way through, than at the "doomers" who didn't as well. And if my wording reflected a bias against the "pollies", that was really not my conscious intention; and I sincerely apologize to you and to all those who saw bias and were offended by it.

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 31, 2000.


GUEss i BEttER HEad oN OVer aND gIVe THEm oNE moRE slAP, JUst fOr oLD tIMes SaKE.

-- debonker idiots (inquiringminds@want.toknow), January 31, 2000.

Bemused,

To further try to clarify where I was coming from, my initial post on this reflected a lot of frustration I had been feeling with regard to the people who blindly followed Gary North as well as John Koskinen, (reflecting a kind of mental sloth in both cases) and the indifference I'd been seeing on the street.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, and take care.

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 31, 2000.


Eve,

If I'd known you would feel bad about what you wrote, I would have never cross posted it, but to me it said it so well.

The "pollys" DIDN'T prepare for their loved ones, right or wrong, NO ONE KNEW !!!... shame on them.

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), January 31, 2000.


Those pollys also didn't pull their money out of the banks. Shame on them. And shame on all of you who didn't pull your money out.

-- Butt Nugget (catsbutt@umailme.com), January 31, 2000.

I just clicked the link. He seems to be OK....but remember I take the prize for naivete. And at same time I am too skepical for my own good. AAAAhhhh....go figure that. Kyle

-- Kyle (fordtbonly@aol.com), January 31, 2000.

Netghost,

You did absolutely nothing wrong. In fact, as I recall, someone else first posted a small piece of my post and you gave the fuller context. So you actually helped.

I do believe my original post expressed my feelings honestly, and I'm not ashamed of it. But because of the nature of some responses, I think there may have been something (I'm not quite sure yet exactly what) in the words that people feel showed a bias against the "pollies" when my real intent was simply to show my disdain for anyone (pollies or doomers or anyone else) who didn't even try to understand the issue, blindly followed others, and the like.

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 31, 2000.


Eve,

That is the difference between "pollys" and "doomers"... there isn't one person on this earth that could see the outcome of Y2k... none.

Doomers preped... so did some of the pollys. Then there are the radical "pollys" that scorned preps of any kind.... that is where my fight was.... sorry you got caught in the cross fire :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), February 01, 2000.


If I'd known you would feel bad about what you wrote, I would have never cross posted it, but to me it said it so well. The "pollys" DIDN'T prepare for their loved ones, right or wrong, NO ONE KNEW !!!... shame on them.

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), January 31, 2000.

That is NOT true! We never told anyone that they should not prepare, as a matter of fact most of us prepared ourselves.

We were trying to debunk the false information that a lot of people were spreading.

When cars became suspect for Y2K failures, a LOT of time and work was put into finding out the facts from the sources (manufacturers) as to wheather the rumors and hype were true.

Even on this board, newbies would come in and the regulars here would tell them that this or that would not fail, that it had been disproven. We just went into greater detail in more areas. I looked into cars, busses, trucks, farm vehecles, firetrucks, ambulances and trucks.

Then I would focus on another area until I was satisfied that enough information was gathered to post it publicly. I found BOMA, (building control org) which had the information needed to find out how building controls were configured and what potential problems they would have.

Not all information was "good" and that was made available as well as all of the good news.

I had researched a multitude of semiconductor manufacturers to find out the truth about the rumors of hidden clocks and pre-set clocks on chips. The reason I was able to research these areas easier than most other people is that I have the background to understand how they function and know where to look for the information.

None of the information I posted on my own and other mail-lists as well as here was done as it has been suggested obove;

By far, the most important issue here is who chose to think and who chose to get by onsloth, indifference, and dumb luck.

Good point, eve. We're the only ones that actually thought about the problem. The pollies were just lazy and stupid, but they got lucky.

I did this for years, double and triple checking the information I uncovered.

Other debunkers have spent as much time and effort in uncovering the truth about potential areas impact.

I do not understand if posting the things about debunkers is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to a percieved threat or if you actually believe and expect others to believe what you say about us.

As for the things people say, the standards of this place are enough to cause any new person to question wheather they should bother to ever come back here again. Just immagine the senate looking in here to see what Ed Yourdon is associated with in deciding to take his testimony seriously or not.

Those who have absolutly no hesitation in speaking about others in this manner show what little respect they have for their own selves. The debunkers are not and never were what people hwere describe them as. We also never tried to kill this forum. We never said so publicly or even in private.

I do admit my intention to come here and post information contrary to the common beliefs here, I chose to provide information that would show that Y2K would not be the disaster that a lot of people feared it would be.

This post is beyond belief, it is so untrue;

They're shutting down because they can't admit how wrong they were about Y2K, so they're running away with their tails between their legs like the pathetic cowards that they are. Good riddance.

That is the dumbest thing I have ever read!

I do not believe I have ever posted the kind of things that some people here have posted about me and the other debunkers.

such as the things posted above;

I guess it's hard to administer a hate site when your testicles have pulled up to your voicebox. Hate site?

"I believe their efforts to close down this forum will be redoubled."

The debunkers do not want to close down TB200, and have argued against it to anyone who suggested it.

From what I've seen there, some of those guys (apparently most of us know who) are full of irrational hate. They'll now have nowhere else to vent, and they're going to be out lookin' for some action.

Nope, we have no intention of looking for action here, why would we close down debunkers and have no place to go if we wanted to continue debunking? Individually we will go or not go where we choose to go. No secret plans to do it comunally.

We're the only ones that actually thought about the problem. The pollies were just lazy and stupid, but they got lucky.

Not lucky and not lazy or stupid. We worked extremely hard and used our brains to come to the correct conclusion.

It looks to me like those guys decided to blow that popsickle stand in a hurry for some reason. Rats deserting a sinking ship? Rats with secrets, afraid of expose', I'd say.

Nope, been talking amongst ourselves about shutting it down since the first week of the new century

bunch of misanthropic a**holes.

The "pollys" DIDN'T prepare for their loved ones, right or wrong, NO ONE KNEW !!!... shame on them.

Despite the very best efforts of the Debunking Y2K crowd to close down Timebomb 2000, success was always well out of their reach.

Nope, never attempted to shut it down, stopped those who would, so nosucess on your part, because if we wanted to, some of us are capable of doing it.

They posted fake doomer wacko posts.

Nope, those doomer wacko posts were from your own wacko doomers.

They petitioned MIT to close us down

one person writing an e-mail is not a group petitioning.

Who knows what else they tried that has yet to ooze out from under the slimy rocks they inhabit?

talk about paranoid-ROFLMAO

In the very best traditions of this country, they were unable to stifle this particular bastion of free speech.

Now that is really pathetic-- it really is a particular bastardization of free speach.

This is not to say that the Debunkers and their fellow travelers have finished with TB2K. On the contrary, I believe their efforts to close down this forum will be redoubled.

You believe... HEH HEH but then you believed Y2k would turn out to be bad now didn't you. Ever get tired of being wrong?

-- Old Git/Outings R (anon@spamproblems.com), January 31, 2000.

Debunker is closing down because the rollover debunked all of the hype about Y2k bringing down society as well as hundreds of other little immagined problems it was supposed to cause.

It is no longer needed, and yes, if there is something along the same lines that needs to be debunked, we will be there doing what we can to get the truth out.

In other words, don't flatter your selves, the debunkers are not worried about this place influencing people on the net, your posters here do a pretty good job of driving people off on your won.

We, at least, know when it is time to quit.

This post is not directed towards everyone here, only those who foot fits the shoe.

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), February 01, 2000.


Hate site?

Yes, Cherri, although you deny it, "Debunkers" was a hate site, devoted to attacking and reviling anyone who disagreed with the "Gospel according to CPR". I'd give links, but of course the perpetrators of that site have decided to make it "go away" so they won't have to answer awkward questions about it ... or so they think.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), February 01, 2000.


You know when it's time to quit?

That's interesting.

It must be a sudden revelation, because as recently as two days ago the place was revamped and the inmates were boasting about how they were going to keep it open until TB2K shut down.

I guess it was one of those sudden insights.

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), February 01, 2000.


Someone please keep Debonkers open so they won't come here. I don't mind watching them from afar.....but to have them infest this board......who can rid us of them?

-- Kyle (fordtbonly@aol.com), February 01, 2000.

It's all over now, Baby Blue.

They didn't get the last word either, even though they tried to sneak one in at the last minute.

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), February 01, 2000.


Funny how that works :-)

-- Casper (c@no.yr), February 01, 2000.

Well, like I said earlier, my favorite movie is Pale Rider. And you know how that ended.

Don't no one be offended if I don't turn around to look back if I hear "Preacher... Preacher..." bein' holler'd out in the distance.

Time to mothball the ol' proxy.

It's been real.

-- redeye (redeye@special.ahoy), February 01, 2000.


redeye,

;-)

-- Casper (ng@no.yr), February 01, 2000.


To all,

Please don't lump all of the debunkers together, depicting them as if they were some sort of plague...

I was there yesterday, and believe me, they're just like us -- mostly kind, decent, intelligent people (Cherri -- you're certainly in this group) with differing opinions about Y2K and everything else. Yes, there are a few loonies -- but we have some too.

You know, you should try to get to know them individually, if they happen to stop in. I think we'll all be the better for it if we do a little more reaching out.

-- eve (123@4567.com), February 01, 2000.


Yeah they're real nice folks.

Why, just last night one of them dropped by, in:

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002SpG

and proceeded to try to "out" me, proceeded to berate his stalking victim with a bunch of vile personal attacks, and made sure to include the requisite veiled threats.

Yeah, they're a swell bunch of fellows.

It's just a matter of time before one of 'em makes the evening news.

-- Sluggo (sluggo@your.head), February 01, 2000.


Casper's Pal,

On the subject of jumping targets:

People who sell glass houses shouldn't throw stones. People with destructive personalities leave trails in many places. Licensed folk who serve the public are also bound by ethics considerations. Have at it.....

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-- Charli (claypool@belatlantic.net), February 01, 2000.


Eve, this is just one example of the kind of rhetoric that's caused so much ill-will. The other Debunkers may not have used such crude language but the sentiment is very similar.

Well, little birdie told me to tune in here for the finale...sure is interesting and enlightening to see and read your post. To several of you, best wishes in the utmost; to others, well...just try to do the best you can. No ill will to anyone. Your post in total paint an interesting mosaic...with few surprises...that's why it is fitting for all of us with a life to move on...why tune in any more when you know the plot lines so well. CPR, Doc, Patricia, SmP, and many other regulars here...take good care. To the doomlits....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! (Wouldn't want to dissapoint 'ya --ESAD, Fuckheads!)...go back to your Fucking doom and gloom cult and have a go Fuck Yourself Orgy of censorship and group meme chants and hugs -- you pathetic shithead losers. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!! IDIOTS!!! - Mr Polly 22:53:01 01/31/00 (2)

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), February 01, 2000.


To all,

Please see my related thread, "A plea for reconciliation and acceptance," where this discussion is continued.

Thanks,

-- eve (123@4567.com), February 01, 2000.


   Yeah they're real nice folks. 
   Why, just last night one of them dropped by, in: 
   http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002SpG 

To be fair, it seems there was a lot of anger from both sides in that thread, sluggo... There has been a lot of childish name calling and an increase in actual threats in the past couple days on both boards, which I find extremely dissapointing. It is possible to have open debate without resorting to this, and I hope that can happen. I don't know, maybe forums like this encourage that behaviour; It's like that situation in a heated conversation where you wish you had come back with a killer zinger, but didn't think of it in time? Well, this forum gives you the time to think of that zinger without having the mediative effects of seeing the person you're delivering it to. I have a feeling this makes people meaner in the virtual world than they would be if you met them in person.

Diane Squire posted a very sane rejoinder to you there, BTW, sluggo:

 Sluggo et. al., 
 Would you people please just STOP it!? 

Take the anger elsewhere, Sluggo. You've done a fair amount of abuse and harrassment, that is unacceptable anywhere on the net. Look to your own actions. POT-KETTLE-BLACK.

Pretty tacky behavior on both ends of the spectrum. It doesn't excuse *some* of the DeBunker spamming behavior, and it doesn't excuse yours.

Chill. (And I thought you said goodbye to this board?)

Stay if you can find your manners. Leave if you can't.

Diane



-- Bemused (and_amazed@you.people), February 01, 2000.

Thanks Eve,

LadyLogic was never one of us, she just shoved her way in and made us look bad the past few weeks.The "real" debunkers have spent years getting to the truth in matters of Y2K, individuals who saw a need and filled it.

Some here have foul mouths, just as bad, if not worse than any one at debunkers. Old git uses ladylogic as an example of us, yet if you read debunkers, you will see that we did not want her there any more than you wanted her here. She sure didn't do us any favors by her posts at debunkers, we had planned on closing it down due to lack of the need for it, but when she spammed the pages with her crap we first asked her to stop, which she did not, and tried to get the females pissed at her-but we chose not to play her game. As she continued to harass anyone who tried to get her to stop as well as her percieved enemies, we decided to close the board down yesterday.

Yes the regulars comunicated and decided it was the best thing to do as she had done enough damage already and we could expect nothing more than more of the same.

To judge us all by the actions of her is wrong, if anything, we prefer to wage a fair fight/arguement rather than lower ourselves down to her leval of actions.

Many debunkers have posted here in the last year or so, trying to provide information for any one who was looking for it.

To lump a group of people together and call them all horrible human beings is childish, we are not a group of hate mongers or anything else of the kind. It is as bad as lumping everyone who prepared as natzi survivalists, which is not true either.

I don't understand why there are so many blanket statements about us, we are not anyones enemies and the reasoning behind placing us in that camp is beyond me.

I have to wonder if hate for us really exists, hate for what we were trying to accomplish, and if so, why? I have been acused of being and doing many hateful things, but have I really? I do voice the obvious a lot, but then it is already obvious anyway so wheres the problem?As for coming here and providing information about Y2K, what was the harm in telling the facts, just because others did not choose to believe what I wrote, does that negate the fact that I got the facts right?

The blanket attitude of them vs us is immature and belongs to the world of children, not the realm of thinking adults.

There are all kinds of people here just like at debunkers and any where else. There are people here who have earned my respect, I take individuals on a one to one basis, maybe that can be done for the debunkers too, take them one to one, as individuals.

Whatever......

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), February 01, 2000.


I heard Eve was taking hits here today for being kind and open-minded. It sure seems true from what I've read so far.

Thanks for the invitation to engage in discussion here, Eve. I saw it both here and on the Debunker forum. Unfortunately, as we've discussed previously, I'm not interested in discussing religion/philosophy on TB2000. Had I ever thought Y2k would have turned into a discussion that cut to the bone of man, I wouldn't have engaged in THAT discussion either.

As Cherri said, the closing of Debunkers was a decision made by the forum maintainer, Doc Paulie, who paid out-of-pocket each month for the service. It wasn't free to the public like this one. He was/is quite willing to support a forum on another topic, but the majority of the regulars had already moved on [which is true on TB2000 also.] Of those remaining, few came forward with thoughts on a new direction as solicited here:

"Posted by (209.170.208.59) Doc Paulie on January 29, 2000 at 00:10:15:

Nobody will debate it is time to move-on. However, it is clear to me many still like "hanging" here. Thus I have a real problem simply shutting this taco stand down. I am having more trouble decidng a future direction....HELP!!!

Decision rests on the fact I am flying solo here and do it all myself. Given, basically more time on this end, I could "expand" and all but really have not the time or desire frankly. Willingly to keep A webboard going like this with a different focus however. So I am soliciting ideas. Have a few from the last 2 days but would impose for a few more.

Have said I would close when TB2000 did. Well it is pretty clear they have moved on, and away from Y2k even if it is still called TimeBomb 2000-a Y2k forum. I have also said I would close when it was clear to me, Charlie had finally said all he had to say. On that one I sense he has. Why CPR?, cause IMHO nobody has done more to fight this BS than Mr. Reuben, I owe him at least that courtesy.

So please if moved sound off on this matter...."

There was a LITTLE discussion on the forum about a new direction, but not enough interest. [As I've said, MOST folks had moved on.] With few debunkers left and increased traffic in disrupters, Doc decided to close the forum at the end of the month. I don't know how you pay YOUR bills, but I wouldn't want to pay for an additional month of disruptions if I could avoid it.

I don't know how long the archives will exist. I've never hosted a site with a forum. Feel free to archive whatever you want, READ whatever you want while it's available.

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.com), February 01, 2000.


Some of the same characters, including cpr, are still posting on the Gary North is a Big Fat Idiot forum hosted by Paul Davis.

http://206.28.81.29/HyperNews/get/gn.html

-- They still (have@A.sandpit), February 01, 2000.


It's still a mystery to me where Mr. CPR concluded the baby was being "auctioned" on the internet.

-- Buster (BustrCollins@aol.com), February 01, 2000.

Anita and Cherri,

Thank you so much for your concern and for sharing your thoughts with me. I have to say that, although we've disagreed in Y2K outlook, my respect and admiration for you two knows no bounds.

Unfortunately, I'm a little exhausted right now, so it's kind of hard to write much. For the reasons, see the two recent threads by me.

I'll be back, though...I just need a break right now.

Thanks again,

-- eve (123@4567.com), February 01, 2000.


Maybe I missed it but did Eve get a invite to Cherri's discussion forum?

There are many questions about why so little was impacted and how so much hype was believed. I would like to continue my forum (Year-Two-Thousand-y2k-interact-and-info) for those who would like to follow these questions and others with discussion. Again, I will not allow profanity or non relevant posts. Other than that, feel free to join in and give your views as to where things went right and how things were believed to be so potentially wrong.

I know there are people who are really tired of Y2k and would prefer never to hear that word again. I don't blame you, it has been a long difficult experience.

But if you would like to be involved in the search for answers just send a blank e-mail to the the address below with the subject box blank also to join. You can read the posts on the web, as they come out or in digest form.

year-two-thousand-subscribe@eGroups.com

Feel free to come and lurk if you ever feel like it.

http://www.egroups.com/group/year-two-thousand/

I hope we can work out some of the answers to what happened and why, considering the entire world was "impacted" by the belief they would be adversely impacted.

Thank You Cherri Stewart

http://www.egroups.com/group/year-two-thousand

-- Can't we (all just@get.along?), February 01, 2000.


It's still a mystery to me where Mr. CPR concluded the baby was being "auctioned" on the internet.

Not auctioned, just an attempt to give it away to strangers here.

-- (here@you.go), February 01, 2000.


Cherri,

I'd love to debate you as to whether CPR and LL were worthy targets..

Remember who you are defending :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), February 02, 2000.


Can't we,

Yes, Cherri did invite me. And who knows -- I'm starting to think that I might take her up on it. Maybe I'll even end up using them all.

-- eve (123@4567.com), February 02, 2000.


Can't we,

By the way , thanks for the info.

-- eve (123@4567.com), February 02, 2000.


A correction. Cherri stated, "Old git uses ladylogic as an example of us." Read it again--the example given is Mr. Polly.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), February 02, 2000.

OG,

LL and the romance with Mr. Polly was almost too good to pass up.. K... so I didn't :-)

The relationship with cpr is another story...

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), February 03, 2000.


Cherri, any principle can be taken to the point of mania. What I am thinking of, of course, is refusing to ban a super-disrupter no matter what.

-- Peter Errington (petere@ricochet.net), February 03, 2000.

Ah so good to see the asshole y2kultists with there venom dripping (or something dripping...looks white...)from their mouths....

Friendly reminder, @ssholes....

You were WRONG about y2k....debunkers were RIGHT.

You were WRONG about y2k....debunkers were RIGHT.

You were WRONG about y2k....debunkers were RIGHT.

You were WRONG about y2k....debunkers were RIGHT.

You were WRONG about y2k....debunkers were RIGHT.

-- (you@re.assholes), May 15, 2002.


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