When I came here I was hoping to find information on Y2k. This forum has moved far away from that issue. Does anyone know of a good forum where the Y2K issues are kept on topic? I have found that most people here are friendly and willing to help and for that I am thankful.

-- David Whitelaw (Dande53484@aol.com), January 28, 2000

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David, oh David, I don't think you are going to be able to find out much Y2K info. on any other current forums. If you really want to find out the history of the "dreaded thing", you would be best served, by searching the old archived posts on this forum. It will take time and tenacity. Tenacity separated the GI's from the Pollies. Happy Hunting.

-- Information (g@me.com), January 28, 2000.

David, try gary North's forum: www.garynorth.com. He has some 6000 documents all neatly catagorized. It goe sback to 1997.

-- John (LITTMANNJ@AOL.COM), January 28, 2000.

I agree David. For all the slag rising to the surface lately, TB2000 still has the most pertinent posts, sooner, than any forum I know; plus more or less intelligent criticism of credibility of the stories posted and their significance. The user simply has to sift ever MORE and MORE chaff from the good stuff. Here you have the combined efforts of Homer Beanfang, Diane Squire, Chuck, Carl Jenkins, Harbor Guy, and formerly RC and others. It was a dream come true, and is still excellent overall, despite the loss of RC, Downstreamer and some of the better regulars, to their own or other forums.

Because of terms of insurance liability policies covering systems failures but exempting Y2K glitches from policy coverage, we won't see spokemen for our corporations -- or for those of any other country -- even Third World ones -- stepping up to announce the development of Y2K difficulties in their software, databases, or embedded systems. For the most part, we have to assemble the data ourselves and infer -- as best we can -- whether it is significant as evidence of a possible Y2K failure or weakenss -- or not. That question of the signifcane of the events we are now witnessing is as close as we can approach "Y2K news" -- that is if you want real news and not just press releases and public relations statements.

That question is the "steel upon steel" of this Board and what keeps so many people coming back for me -- even if they only lurk: what are the events/failures out there, and do they have an UNDERLYING SIGNIFCANCE deriving from an origin in embedded systems failures or database corruption or etc., possibly caused by Y2K? In the quiet hours, on Fridays and weekends, the party gets a little wild and freewheeling and there's not much worth reading on TB2000. So go if you must, with our fond farewells; or take the weekend off first and see what's cooking Monday or Tuesday.

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-- Squirel Hunter (nuts@upina.cellrelaytower), January 28, 2000.

Sir,
'course the y2k problem was fixed so now the real problem is the real problems. As they are no longer labeled as y2k related, these problems are more difficult to place into that category with certainty. So if you seek information current and continuing about problems which some level of probability of being assigned to that category reported by internetizens then perhaps you should see the citizens report list hosted by this service as
Grassroots Information Coordination Center (GICC) . Hope this link works. Grassroots Information Coordination Center (GICC)

-- pliney the younger (pliney@puget.sound), January 28, 2000.

Squirel, I LOL at your email, you used to be in a tree or something, now you are up on one of those metal spikes!

-- Information (g@me.com), January 28, 2000.

Contact The Anteon Corporation in Fairfax Virginia.

Maybe they'll tell you the scoop on the "Business Process Reengineering" project for the BIA.

If you want to know how Y2K issues affect -all- of the tribes, that's where I'd start looking.

If you -do- get hold of someone who's prepared to give you more than boilerplate, ask about the ability of pre-existing software (leases, royalties, etc.) to operate correctly in 2000. Then, ask about the progress they've made to date on their package that's designed to replace all the various pre-existing tribal services management software.

Then ask what sort of fallback plans they and/or the BIA has.

-- Sluggo (sluggo@your.head), January 28, 2000.

--I'm a major surfer. With that said, I'd like to say that this forum has a great combo of news and views and y2k news and comments and politics, etc. It's faster than any other newswire on the web. You'll get more info quicker here than anyplace else. Just pick and choose what-in your view-constitutes "y2k" information, as that is different for everyone. What exactly IS y2k information? "glitch" reports? status of various specific software package remediation in different companies? Is it what corporate public relations peole issue in press releases? Specific model number of embedded chips here or there that may or may not work? Is it government "reports"? Self-reporting industry association reports? Investigative reporters digging up stories? Insider "whistle blowers"? Peripheral issues like what's happening in politics, or maybe the stock market, the oil industry? Gold? Paper money? who knows. To me, all of these things make up the BIG story, it's all connected, "y2k" doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's what was happening leading up to the year 2000 with all the ramificational potentialities of who-knows-what-might-have-happened, and now that we are in it, well, it's y2k now! It's still relevant, and on topic. Pick and choose, the info you are looking for is here or there, you just have to make up your mind what you think "y2k" is.

-- zog, Native Pictish American (zzoggy@yahoo.com), January 28, 2000.

Zog, what the heck is a Native Pictish American? Is is a counter-part of Cherokee and the rest?

-- Miss Manners (not@informed.com), January 28, 2000.

Hi David,

There just isn't that much Y2K related "news" out there these days. Before the rollover, many of my 3000+ posts were at least a few stories every day, that weren't yet posted here, and that's tough, with guys like Homer hangin' out here. :)

But what news that there is, is still here. You've just gotta look a little harder for it now. It's just my opinion, but I think that the oil "story" is more Y2K related than it seems. Oil has always been my #2 concern, following power.

Sanger's was a great site, but they have now also shut down now. Same for many of the other Y2K sites.

If you do find anything, please keep us posted! <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), January 28, 2000.

Hi David, from the last remaining Indian Territory,

You might try the following link: http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002RGV It has an air of officialness about it.

-- Okie Dan (brendan@theshop.net), January 28, 2000.

No offense, but what does being a Native American got to do with looking for Y2K information?

-- jkl; (jkl@jkl.com), January 28, 2000.

Hi David, I like yourself came to this board to find information about Y2K. I am a Native American also so we have many things in common. I gather you're from the Northwest and so am I. It is a great place to live. Some people who have read my postings and answers to others feel that I am a racist. The fact is this could'nt be farther from the truth. They think it is improper for me to define myself as a Native American because I have English-German ancestory. I feel that I along with millions of others who have been born in this country are Native Americans by birth. I have many Native American Indian friends who discuss this with me and they are sometimes confused by my intentions. Just wanted to share my thoughts with you and hope you will stay onboard.

-- John Thomas (cjseed@webtv.net), January 28, 2000.

None taken. We have a legend from hundreds perhaps thousands of years ago about the year 2000. I am just trying to get the suyapi slant on things.

-- David Whitelaw (Dande53484@aol.com), January 28, 2000.

Wai my friend. I was born and raised on the Rez. I am trying to tie all this in with a legend that has been passed down from generation to generation.

-- David Whitelaw (Dande53484@aol.com), January 28, 2000.

David Hello. I am really curious about the legend, can you explain more?

-- sandy (rstyree@overland.net), January 28, 2000.

To understand the legend you would have to share in our beliefs about the animal people. if you are interested in knowing more just e-mail me.

-- David Whitelaw (Dande53484@aol.com), January 28, 2000.

---Miss Manners--"Picts" are my personal genetic heritage from the old country a la "native american" "african american" "italian american", etc.

Small intense people from great britain and some areas on the continent. They had science, culture, religion, art, etc. Fierce fighters, better lovers! hehehehehehe

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), January 29, 2000.

Hey zog,

do you remember "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving With a Pict"?

-- (Pink@Floyd.ummagumma), January 29, 2000.

RE: Y2k and Native Americans: I sent e-mails to the archival librarians at the native american libraries I could find on line, back in 1998, informing them of Y2k and the importance of maintaining access to old information. Y2k is only one of the issues affecting this. As information gets stored in newly emerging media, it becomes vulnerable to loss. Archivists are familiar with this and paper or personal records, but less so with technologies that seem modern one year, but are antiquated just a decade later. I think monitoring the re-engineering of any tribal processes - the management of historical information (deeds, trusts, ancestry, etc.), the use of financial data and assets, etc. should be closely monitored. New systems tend to shut out access in the name of protection. It's fair to assume that, unless the new systems are watchdogged well by tribal members committed to equity in the spirit and transaction of the process that you're likely to see (or not see) abuses made possible by the new systems, or to experience being shut out of decisions that you may once have had a role in. IMO, attribution to Y2k is less important now than high-level monitoring of the most dangerous arenas Y2k was likely to impact. Do you have active groups training and sampling, in a systematic fashion, air, land and water quality around factories that may pose a threat to your land? Do you have baseline measurements yet? If not, do you have teams forming to do this, and grant writers working to fund this? Do you have labs that will work with you? There is a new technological imperative present today - one of self-defense (defending the largest Self) that is the defense of attention. Y2k helped many of us drop our naive assumptions about our collective capacity to manage emerging and dangerous technologies. We watch the chimps playing catch with live ammo, and realize we're in the same room with them. What do we do? Again, IMO, bunkers aren't the best, or only, answer; not for me, and not for where I am or what I do. OTOH, having a fall-back for high-level contamination of your land (especially if you can't trade it for other land) is useful to explore. If you examine that type of fallback, like many did as they contemplated the worst-case scenarios for Y2k, you might determine that prevention and early-detection deserve more of your present energy than bunker-building. It all depends on your resource base, and the hearts and capacities of those who share your common cause. I am a Pictish-Tsalagi, myself. I have little history of any of my people beyond my grandparents; too many orphans, too much prejudice causing my family to hide its heritage; too much discontinuity from war. I imagine the cultural strength available to a group of people who are bound - related, not chained - by blood and land. I don't know if those things are fully real, but perhaps they only need to live in minds and hearts to have all the power they need. I don't know. Good luck.

-- cynthia (cabeal@efn.org), January 29, 2000.

BTW - sorry about lack of paragraphs. It's why I never post here. My browser is format-impaired when it comes to Greenspun. sigh

-- cynthia (cabeal@efn.org), January 29, 2000.

Cynthia,

That was a nice post. I would love to know my heritage, but beyond my parents and grandparents it is iffy. I talked to my mom today...she is 79, had always heard my great-grandmother was Indian(Cherokee) but now she says SHE looked Indian,and was from the Oklahoma area. Haaa like that tells me anything. I guess what is in my heart is what matters I feel like a native American.

Sandy

-- sandy (rstyree@overland.net), January 29, 2000.

David what is wrong with your E-mail?

-- sandy (rstyree@overland.net), January 29, 2000.

I think AOL is having a problem. Of course they won't admit it. I think it has something to do with there new Y2K compliant 5.0. I had to switch back to the old 4.0 to log on and reload the 5.0. anyone else experiencing this problem?

-- David Whitelaw (Dande53484@aol.com), January 29, 2000.

sorry David,

typed the e-mail wrong, like the site, it is great but where is the 2000legend? Will continue to read is very interesting... Sandy

-- Sandy (rstyree@overland.net), January 29, 2000.

Black Elk Speaks As told through John G. Neihardt

-- Surrounded (hiding@thefirststate.com), January 29, 2000.

David, AOL has a big problem. It is a huge piece of smelly crap. Whether intentional or not, they don't allow HTML alteration of personal profiles anymore. Maybe it is just a temporary thing. Their graphics are hideously ugly. 5.0 was a nightmare, uninstalled it the next day. Yeah, I still use AOL....I guess because of the huge customer base, that is, most of my buddies use it. A penny for anyone's thoughts about Juno. I have it, but lazy me...I haven't messed with it much yet.

-- Kyle (fordtbonly@aol.com), January 30, 2000.