Has anyone heard anything from Jim Lord?

I appreciate the way that Ed Yourdon drops in here to keep up with what is going on. The heart has gone out of Gary North. He has apoligized and no longer bothers to comment on his two posts a week. Paula Gordon has posted here and seems unfazed.

However Jim Lord seems to have disappeard from the face of the earth. Anyone have a post where I could read something he has said since the roll-over? I am not trying to pick a fight or point a finger... I would just like to hear his perspective on what happened (or didn't happen).

-- JoseMiami (caris@prodigy.net), January 24, 2000

Answers

Folks,

The person whose words have been quoted from my HumptyDumptyY2K forum (go to my website at http://www.yourdon.com for more details on what the forum is about) is NOT Jim Lord. He has a "handle" that is similar to Jim Lord's name, but he is not the same person. Among other things, the "real" Jim Lord does not live anywhere near the Mt. St. Helens area.

The "real" Jim Lord is alive and well. I have not been in contact with him myself in recent weeks, but a good friend of mine does correspond with him. I suspect that he got a lot more "hate mail" than some of us, and perhaps has decided to maintain a lower profile until people begin behaving in a more civilized fashion.

Ed

-- Ed Yourdon (ed@yourdon.com), January 24, 2000.

Jose,

I have wondered about that myself.

-- Dee (T1Colt556@aol.com), January 24, 2000.

Found Him!!!!!

Hi John,

Well put. I have lived in countries where things grew progressively worse. Looking back, it seemed like it was sudden, but unless it was something real sudden like Mt. St. Helens blowing up, it just slowly started catching up until finally it affected more people than it did not affect. Then it got attention.

I hear how good the economy is almost every night on the news, and I am amazed at how it is received. People in our area are having a tough go at it, and the economy is really in the tank. But we thinik it is great everywhere else, so we must be the exception. I am beginning to think that others are in the tank also, but stuck in the same groove as we are. You cannot send all the work out of the country, close the factories and have a balance of trade so out of balance as we do without it finally hitting and taking us down.

And it is not just us! Daewoo is going up for bancruptcy bidding, and GM seems to be the leader as of yesterday, the workers all over Asia are getting "restless", and they are closing banks like crazy. How many of the thousand cuts are we at now, and nobody seems to be taking the knife away.

In our business, we are in trouble. We all pat ourselves on the back and say we are ahead of it, but we are not. We have pieced this thing togeather with old dates, set ahead dates (to 2028 until March 1 2004) and we are constantly cooking the books. It is just a matter of time. And nobody, I mean nobody is telling management anything other than good news.

I will keep my reserves, run on the top half of the tank and try to more prudent than I have in the past.

I really got caught off guard by Mt. St. Helens. The next morning, you couldn't see for 50 yards, it was dark, and everything including our horses, cows, chickens, bldgs. were gray....it looked like a moonscape. If you tried to drive you wasted your engine. I would have left if I had not been a land owner. I thought it would look like this until I died. But slowly we got ahead of it.

Take care my friend and I as a Christian have to put my faith where it truly belongs and take each day as it comes

Thanks...........jim

-- James (brkthru@cableone.net), January 24, 2000.

He's on humptydumptyy2k

-- James (brkthru@cableone.net), January 24, 2000.

???? Huh???

-- JoseMiami (caris@prodigy.net), January 24, 2000.

Please sir, a link to hunptydumptyy2k

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Shakey~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-- Shakey (in_a_bunker@forty.feet), January 24, 2000.

http://www.yourdon.com/

-- James (brkthru@cableone.net), January 24, 2000.

I don't think Jim has all that much to be embarrassed about. I talked to Jim for 45 minutes or more back in Oct. and he said at that time that he expected very little to happen on the roll over. He expected the grid to hold up.

Jim has pretty much always said that it is the economics of the thigs that is slowly going to eat us up. And while he talks like a real moderate, if you get alone with him, he has some real long range concerns, and I think he is right.

As far as the Naval report, San Diego DID have problems, so did Seattle, and still is haveing public works problems...."it" isn't going downhill very well.

Jim is a really neat, quiet, humble, and sincere man, and I suspect he just doesn't want to be attacked.

Also, HumptyDumpty is and "invited only" forum that some of us are on. That of course would be to prevent trolls etc from ruing what I think are pretty deep thought threads.

Jim

-- Jim Sharp (JIM4RLORD@aol.com), January 24, 2000.

He expected the grid to hold up.

Then why did he get everyone in a tizzy by posting 'the top seceret navy papers'.

-- Billy Vyper (billy_vyper@postmark.net), January 24, 2000.

BEcause CONTINGENCY PREPARATIONS like we were TRYING to get ALL people to do do NOT get based on EXPECTATIONS, but on POSSIBILITIES. And the Navy documents were about THEIR evaluations of higher PROBABILITIES for ocurrences.

NOTHING about the preparations for Y2K, OR the ROLLOVER, was EVER engraved in anything firmer than warm jello, or clearer than thin mud.

Chuck

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), January 24, 2000.

Yep Jim Lord has nothing to apologise for, he did nothing to hype Y2K failures. He did not put any spin on anything that would make it look like more than just a walk in the park.

It's all in the archives people, you can lie to yourself, but the archives hold the true story.

Secret Government Study Reveals Massive Y2K Problems in American Cities

How many days could New York City survive without water and sewer services? How long would it take to evacuate eight million people in the dead of winter?

Would thousands die in the process? Tens of thousands? More? When would the rioting and looting begin? How many National Guard troops would it take to control the largest city in the nation? What unthinkable devastation would be wrought on the global financial system? How might our enemies seize on the ensuing panic and confusion? Are these the crazed speculations of a Y2K alarmist?

Not if you know what the US Navy and Marine Corps know. According to a June 1999 report titled, "Master Utility List," they believe "total failure is likely" for New York City's water and sewer systems because of Y2K problems.

And they're holding this information back.

The Navy Department assessment is not limited to New York City; it covers all their shore facilities in the world-nearly 500 locations. The results are horrifying.

They expect more than 26 million American citizens in 125 cities to be without electricity, water, gas or sewer services next January. Many more would be affected in foreign countries. London, England for example is expected to experience failures of all four types of utilities. Many of the people impacted by these failures would be military personnel and their families.

And the Navy Department isn't telling anyone.

Fortyfive of the cities named in the survey have a population greater than 100,000. Eight of the nation's dozen largest metropolitan areas are affected.

Here's what the Navy expects:

Dallas-no water.

Washington DC and Philadelphia-no gas Baltimore, Houston, New York and Miami--no water or sewer.

Atlanta-no water or gas

San Antonio-no water or electricity.

Fort Worth and New Orleans-no water, gas or sewer services.

And the Navy Department is saying nothing.

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), January 24, 2000.

Thanks Ed.

I do not suscribe to the theory that y2k was a hoax or a scam. I believe that the poster said above about Mr. Lord, that is a sincere and humble man.

I would personally like to hear his opinion about the results so far, but you are probably right about the hate mail. I wouldn't blame him for laying low.

Releasing the Navy Utility report was undoubtedly the right thing to do given the info we all had at the time.

Have you read the essay by Warren Bone on Michael Hyatt's site? I read about half of it last night (it is quite long). He deals with the sense of mystery about why there were so few disruptions even in countries that were unprepared. I personally am still perplexed by that fact and I cannot acccept the hoax/scam theory.

-- JoseMiami (caris@prodigy.net), January 24, 2000.

Ed.

Thank you very much for your input. I must say that I have heard interviews with Jim Lord, and I was highly impressed with his "delivery" on air. He maintained a professional stance and presented the information in a concise manner.

-- Dee (T1Colt556@aol.com), January 24, 2000.

Hi Nuts, did you know your IP number is very much like that of Peg from Bonkers?

-- Sysop (on@troll.patrol), January 24, 2000.

I was impressed with Jim Lord when I saw him on CSPAN.

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), January 24, 2000.

Thanks for the heads up, Sysop. The trolls are out in force today.

-- (hal@gostek.org), January 24, 2000.

I can easily understand why Jim Lord wouldn't participate in this forum. There are several private moderated forums and perhaps he could be invited to participate in one of those.

-- Dave (dannco@hotmail.com), January 24, 2000.

Hi All,

I did write a brief assessment a week or so after the roll over and posted it here and on my website at JimLord.to. (It's still there for those who want to review it.)

I have written a much longer article and will notify the board when it is posted. (within days)

In the past four weeks I have married off my two youngest children, was hard down with the flu for ten days, celebrated Christmas and the rollover, wrote over seven thousand words for two articles, and attended a business conference in Las Vegas. Also outlined one new book and created concept for a second. (Obladee, Obladaa, life goes on braugh -- or something like that.)

Mainly I have been decompressing. I've put in hundred hour weeks for almost four years dealing with Y2K. I needed it.

Jim

-- Jim Lord (JimLordY2K@aol.com), January 25, 2000.

But Jim, what did you do in the other 25 days??

;-)

Chuck a nIGHT dRIVER, or is that a night DeIteR??

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), January 25, 2000.