NIGGARS

-- BOOZO (boozo@the.clown), January 19, 2000

Answers

Your post has been printed.

So glad you said that, please refer to this:

Contents-Governor's Task Force on Hate Crimehttp://www.state.ma.us/stophate/core.htm

and this: Poisoning the Web Front Pagehttp://www.adl.org/frames/front_poisoning.html

or yes...and you may need this: Law Network -- Law Firm Finder http://www.lawnews.net/finder/cgi-bin/

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-- Dee (T1Colt556@aol.com), January 19, 2000.

FUCK-EM, LETS SETTLE RIGHT NOW...NIGGARS

-- BOOZO (boozo@the.clown), January 19, 2000.

delete

-- XOR (drwizzard@usa.net), January 19, 2000.

A complaint has been made to the individual's ISP. Unfortunately, the thread will ahve to remain as evidence. Please bear with us until we hear from the ISP. Thank you.

P.S. For those who doubt this is posted by a sysop, please note other sysops can see this post's IP and know it comes from a sysop.

-- Sysop (on@duty.now), January 19, 2000.

we're aware of the post... may need to let it stand until the authorities can view it and track the offender.

Sysop

[hiya Sysop :-), yep... guess we posted at the same time]

-- Sysop (Home@TB2K.com), January 19, 2000.

SYSOP - Complaints have been filed elsewhere as well.

This individual has sealed his/her own fate with the racial content of these posts.

-- Dee (T1Colt556@aol.com), January 19, 2000.

You rock, Sysops!! We're not paying you all enough for this.

-- (RUOK@yesiam.com), January 19, 2000.

How Long? Other minor threads have vanished, Zapoo!, why does this ugly thread continue to linger?

-- Know When to (Fold@them.com), January 19, 2000.

3 cheers for the SYSOP's. Let's hope this person gets what they deserve.

-- XOR (drwizzard@usa.net), January 19, 2000.

THIS NIGGAR IS TOO RUGGED, I'M BLACK MOTHER FUCKERS. THAT'S RIGHT I'M THAT NIGGAR EVERYBODYS IS LOOKING FOR. I'M THE ONLY BLACK GOD. YOU WHITE MOTHER FUCKERS CAN NEVER TAKE OVER. I'M THAT NIGGAR. SO FUCK ALL YOU WHITE MOTHER FUCKERS.

-- BOOZO (boozo@the.clown), January 19, 2000.

Hi Sysops:

My son found a really great virus that blew through the best Norton and Dr. Solamon had. It also ate one of our computers. Think we can forward it to that a-hole?

-- Surrounded (hiding@thefirststate.com), January 19, 2000.

What is a Hate Crime

A hate crime is a crime in which the perpetrator's conduct is motivated, in whole or in part, by hatred, bias, or prejudice, based on the actual or percieved race, color, religion, national origin, gender, disability, or sexual orientation of another group or individual.

Can hate crimes laws be used against hate on the Internet?

If a bigot's use of the Internet rises to the level of criminal conduct, it may subject the perpetrator to an enhanced sentence under a state's hate crimes law. Currently, 40 states and the District of Columbia have such laws in place. The criminal's sentence may be more severe if the prosecution can prove that he or she intentionally selected the victim based on the victim's race, nationality, religion, gender or sexual orientation. However, these laws do not apply to conduct or speech protected by the First Amendment.

-- Dee (T1Colt556@aol.com), January 19, 2000.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA NIGGARS

-- BOOZO (boozo@the.clown), January 19, 2000.

Hey BOOZO,

Put the crack pipe away and go to bed. <:(=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), January 19, 2000.

you all need to get it together... go without it for a few days,does wonders Adios am still a doomer tho.

-- quick (rstree@overland.net), January 20, 2000.

The funniest thing of all is, he can't even SPELL IT RIGHT!!!

The word, last time I checked, was spelled N-I-G-G-E-R.

If you're going to use racial slurs, the very least you can do is SPELL them properly!

What a jerk. And a bigot.

-- Regular Poster (not@this.time), January 20, 2000.

Granted this is offensive and juvenile. But the moderators could just delete it.

If the use of a patently offensive word is no longer protected, and this individual gets prosecuted, why is it that equally offensive images, sexual or anti-religious in nature, are considered protected speech under the 1st amendment?

Surely this double standard is visible to all. The "n" word rates the user a jail term, yet we are powerless to clean up an increasingly degenerate culture we find ourselves mired in.

-- Forrest Covington (theforrest@mindspring.com), January 20, 2000.

Please all read carefully:

INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS (ISPs) REQUIRE THAT THE OFFENDING MATERIAL STAY IN PLACE AS EVIDENCE THAT A TERMS OF SERVICE (TOS) OFFENSE HAS BEEN COMMITTED. It is too easy to fake a TOS violation.

If you would take the trouble to read the sysops' responses above, you would know this already. The above repugnant material has been left in place for an evidentiary reason AND THAT REASON ONLY. You guys have NO IDEA what kind and how much offensive material has been deleted in the past. And, guess what? You won't find it in the Debunkers file of TB2K deletions.

-- Sysops up at 0500 (to@catch.the.sobs), January 20, 2000.

Respectfully, Forrest---not juvenile

My 15 year old son and his closest friend, practically joined at the hip for the better part of a decade are a portrait of harmony. The above term and it's white equivilant(s) are nothing more than pet names routinely and playfully shot back and forth between these two. So neutralized is it that roles are just as apt to be reversed with blonde son being addressed with the n-word and vise/versa. These 15 year olds make a mockery of you BOZO. Generation Y has it under control. How old are you?

-- Charli (claypool@belatlantic.net), January 20, 2000.

I wonder of boozo is a polly or a GI. There is no in between you know.

-- Butt Nugget (catsbutt@umailme.com), January 20, 2000.

SYSOPS: This is outrageous. Surely you can re-name the hv.greenspun... path of this thread to something else, hiding it from people? Or setting a protection to make it inaccessible?? The need to preserve it as evidence must be weighed with what it contains.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), January 20, 2000.

Absolutely Incredible!!! While this post was reprehensible, it has managed to stay up on the board, while a later post (which recapped some of the hateful, paranoid, isolationist messages from the last few months by 'the members' of this board) has been immediately deleted by the forum. Pot-kettle-black, folks... you're no better than the jerk who started this thread.

-- Just (anotherbuckeye@columbus.org), January 20, 2000.

I'm not sure why people have such a hard time understanding the written word.

The post must be left up in order to serve as evidence...

If it was deleted, sysops would not be able to pursue...

YES, it is a very offensive post. That is why the sysops are letting this stand; they are going after the thread originator. If it is removed, they can't. As nasty as it is, I for one, am willing to let it stand if it will help pull the plug on the cretin who wrote it.

Yes, it might be 'nicer' if it were quickly deleted, but then the evidence that this happened would also be gone, too, and the perpetrator won't even be able to have his/her hand slapped.

-- Hoisting (by their own pet@rd.s), January 20, 2000.

Interesting reactions all around. Since my children's grandfather was half black, I guess I could be offended by this fellows words but what would be the point?

If he is constantly posting and harrassing people, charge him. I don't believe what we see here is a 'hate' crime anymore than asking a polly if it wants a cracker is a 'hate' crime. What is the crime? Is it not being politically correct? Is it the use of offensive language? Is that a crime? Perhaps we need to move to China where we can be protected from varying points of view. I understand they have no trouble with people speaking their mind over there.

Seriously folks, the person is trolling and he got you. Sysops, warn him about a dozen times, then charge him. This post alone isn't going to even get charges and if it does, the law needs changing. The guy is an idiot, not a criminal. Usually criminal speech requires an accompaning threat at the VERY least. Name calling won't get it.

Now everyone repeate after me, "sticks and stones..."

-- Michael Erskine (Osiris@urbanna.net), January 20, 2000.

Michael,

Just to point out... the Sysops are pretty darned tired of dealing with repeat flammers, spammers, trolls who just cant seem to allow a group of people to discuss what they want to, within very loose boundaries. Dealing with them is total waste of energy, and a pretty thankless task, IMHO.

One of the Sysop team is highly offended, with reason, and chooses to report the poster to his ISP for action, rather than deleting. This is not the first time for this one.

Perhaps trully offensive posters will think twice before game playing? Well see. The Sysop chooses to try this route, and I for one, am willing to see if it garners action. The thread will be deleted after there is an abuse response from the posters ISP provider.

King of Spain,

The Sysops arent able to re-assign threads. Its not a function of Philip Greenspuns Admin s/w, to my knowledge.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), January 20, 2000.

Dianne; I did mention warning and then pressing charges. I understand what it is to be a sysop and I sincerely appreciate the time and effort you folks put into this task. Repeat offenders should be warned about three times and then charged if possible. My point was that there is no actual violation of the law here (because of content, thank God) there may be one because of harrassment.

I in NO way approve of this fellows behavior, but then I don't approve of Bill Clintoon's behavior either. Approached properly his ISP will have no option but to discontiue the fellows service.

-- Michael Erskine (Osiris@urbanna.net), January 20, 2000.

Really now

-- bunka (bunka@xxx.yyy), January 21, 2000.

I agree with Michael.

-- (pete@bostrel.net), January 22, 2000.

Really what, bunka?

-- (targon@for.ever), January 23, 2000.