OT- Our real problem (something to ponder)

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What would a shadow's shadow look like? What would a one dimensional object look like? Three dimensional objects cast 2 dimensional shadows. What is the only 2 dimensional object in our universe? Well, it's the shadow. It has no thickness, only the attributes of length and width.

Do shadows (2 dimensional objects) cast shadows that are of 1 dimension?

The attributes of the our reality are Length, Width and Height, 3 dimensions.

We can determine the attributes of the dimension above the 3rd (our dimension).

The next dimension is the 4th dimension. It has the attributes of 3rd dimension plus infinity.

The 4th dimension..... length, width, height and infinity. Infinite length, infinite width and infinite height. Lower dimensions have one less attribute than the one above. Sort of a dimmer existence.

The attributes of the 4th dimension describe GOD. Everything being one. Nothing can exist outside. After all, infinity encompasses all. An infinite thing and anything else can't exist simultaneously.

Could the afterlife be this 4th dimension?

Religious descriptions of GOD and the afterlife describe this 4th dimension. The NDE also describes this infinite state, that is, being connected to everything, having absolute knowledge, overwhelming feelings of love (love is to know and to be known), meeting personalities that have died (collective unconscious).

This 4th dimensional state solves the mysteries of our 3 dimensional world.

Maybe we should be kind to our shadows. Shadows may have a dim sort of consciousness, just as we, being shadows of the fourth, have an incomplete and dim awareness of GOD and as a result are burdened with these terrible feelings of being separate from each other and all else.

All of us exist in that fourth dimension. We cannot exist outside it. This shadowy 3rd dimensional existence is painful. Maybe, to liberate ourselves (as Buddha did), we need knowledge of this situation. Then bang! We connect with the 4th dimension (super-consciousness).

By virtue of GODS infinite attributes, nothing new can be created. That includes souls. An infinite god contains all there ever was, is and will be.

I guess this means we are immortal. We are also GOD. The feeling of being separate from GOD, each other and all l else is a 3rd dimension illusion.

Further more

What results in what? Does the illusion of our separateness create the EGO or does the EGO create our illusion of separateness?

If the illusion of separateness creates the EGO, then the EGO is a psychological construction. Psychological constructs can be de-constructed. This is what eastern religions attempt to do. When the EGO is gone the illusion is revealed. No more separateness and loneliness.

If the EGO (you) is a construct of the illusion, this infers that you did not exist to observe the illusion. Why would a protective construction be needed to protect that which does not yet exist? Who would construct the EGO? An illusion is merely a mis-observation. It has no will or creativity. Obviously, the illusion of separateness does not create the EGO (you) The fact that the EGO creates our illusion of separateness, results in our dire situation. Separateness is painful to humans. The terrible feelings of loneliness it causes is not a protective mechanism or crutch. This feeling of separateness and loneliness is a pathological condition. This means that the EGO is a pathological entity. The illusion the EGO creates, is no protective construction. But, a construction of despair. Our ability to overcome the illusion and the pathological EGO is almost insurmountable.

Unfortunately, it appears that the EGO is creating the illusion of separateness. We are engaged in battle against the despair caused by the illusion of separateness. We must instead, banish our pathological EGO's.

The EGO cannot be cured. It is intrinsically pathological. Only Banishing the EGO will allow us to see that separateness is only an illusion.

Well, anyway, be kind to your poor wretched shadow. Give it a hug.

Lenny

-- Lenny (chmielecki@worldnet.att.net), January 17, 2000

Answers

Ackhhhhh!!! My head hurts...

But I like it; keep going.

-- Yan (no@no.no), January 17, 2000.


Lenny,

You may be onto something.

(James 1:17 KJV) "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither SHADOW OF TURNING."

However there is a distinction. I cast a shadow. (Col 2:17 KJV) "Which are a SHADOW OF THINGS to come;..."

-- Mark Hillyard (foster@inreach.com), January 17, 2000.


Lenny...

You may be ON something.

-- Look (at@the.facts), January 17, 2000.


Somebody's trying to take my title of chief Kook and bottle washer...

I-never-metaphysical-I-didn't-like Kook

-- Y2Kook (Y2Kook@usa.net), January 17, 2000.


"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men"?

The Shadow knows.

-- Lamont Cranston (shadow@4thdimension.inf), January 17, 2000.



Shadows are 3D silly!

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), January 17, 2000.

Furthermore, the 4th dimension is time. Imagine charting in a 3D graph the cylindrical arch of a ball thrown through the area of this graph. You can calculate the volume of this cylinder, which also changes across time.

Using calculus, you can determine the volume of things with 10 or 20 or more dimensions, now that is a head trip!

God doesn't fit in any box we humans can imagine.

The ball eventually spills onto the floor, rolls down the hall, bounces out a window, and into a little boy's hands. How do you graph the delight on his face?

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), January 17, 2000.


"We are also GOD." -- quote attributed first to Lucifer, the barer of light.

Paraphrased: "I'm god enough, I'm smart enough, and darnit! people like me!"

BTW, IMO, the illusion creates the ego. Cults deconstruct the ego; it's called "brain washing". A person without an ego structure is "psychotic". When a shrink deconstructs a person's ego structure, it's called "psychotherapy" cause the assumption is the shrink will then reconstruct your ego in a manner which benefits you, rather than the cult reconstructing your ego in a manner which serves THEM.

The ego IMHO was originally introduced in the Garden of Eden. We were one with God, till Eve took that bite of apple... (BTW, hence Apple computer is named...).

Christ is the Christian's door back to Onenes with God, and the New Testament says this is the ONLY such door. Other techniques might be considered "craft".

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), January 17, 2000.


"This means that the EGO is a pathological entity."

Heh, no, the absence of an ego is psychoses.

That existential angst, or feeling of separateness, is IMHO just God calling you home. For mr, reading the Word and praising God fills that hole. It OVERfills it actually. It's a mystifying experience, and described poetically as "the spring that spills forth". You are so overfilled with joy and love that it spills onto everything and everyone no matter what you do!

Banishing your ego will only induce false hallucinations. Sorry. It's like acid, you might have a good trip, you might have a bad trip and never come back.

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), January 17, 2000.


hokie, I disagreet. The ego Is I. With being I , I am not you. Seperateness again. I beleive the ego is by it's nature pathological. The ego also seperates us from god. The ego is not to be trusted. The ego our satan. Lenny

-- Lenny (chmielecki@worldnet.att.net), January 17, 2000.


Shadows are 3d? How? They have no measurable thickness. 2 dimensions. I know all about time being the 4th dimension. It has been called the 4th dim but, it was abitrarily assigned this numeric dimension. Many say time does not exist, that is a construct of consciousness. I believe that time does not exist. Thanks for the conversation Hokie.

-- Lenny (chmielecki@worldnet.att.net), January 17, 2000.

Kindness not only to every body but every non-body...

Gate Gate Paragate Parasamgate Bodhi Svaha

-- Firemouse (firemouse@fcmail.com), January 17, 2000.


Lenny, we know an Albanian fellow traveler when we see one!

-- panjandrum (panjandrum@samfoote.net), January 17, 2000.

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