Been reading the news groups and patriot and christian publications. LOTS of y2k problems surfacting all over the world but we dont hear from them from the liberals media. Plus there are wars now and rumors or wars plus famine plus breakdown of social order plus all the other things predicted by Jesus for the End Times but you would never know this listening to the liberal media I wonder why this is? Then we hear about unusual UN troop movements. Why are UN troops training in Alabama if things are so rosy? This all stinks of a libearl maniupulation of the sheep. Plus all of a sudden we have all these new gun laws in order to "protect" us. Protect us from what, if y2k is not a disaster? It makes no sense.

I tell you: the liberal media and their king (our chief fornicator King Clinton) want to keep us in the dark on these matters. Y2k is just the tip of the iceburg. If you look around you can see something big is coming down just as has been predicted by Gary North and other christian leaders plus conservative patriots who can see that Y2k is smokescreened for bugs that are not. You just have to think about this logically - use your brain! and don't let the liberal media brainwash you cause once you are brainwashed and believe everything Clinton tells you plus liberal media then you are the mercy of Clinton and some black UN solider named "Goog". It all fits into the y2k scheme of things.

Patriots, conservatives and christians and right-thinking people will stand tall and not let the liberal media feed them a pack of lies about y2k and the global conspiracy against family values and our faith. Stand tall!

-- Carl (calrl@lud.com), January 16, 2000

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Very well put. I couldn't agree more. It is good to see others understand the situation here! If you live in Alabama check out the lectures from Dr. Cal Thomson on 77.5. He is a Christian who speaks knowledgeably about these matters, especially the UN threat and the Y2K coverup.

-- Bob Lee (boblee12@aol.com), January 16, 2000.

What did Alabama do?

-- Did they cecede? (I thought Alabama was @ group.com), January 16, 2000.

Who are these people??

-- (Delete@Smeg.com), January 16, 2000.

How can Albania succeed ? they're noty in the union

-- Wombat (WhatDo@Iknow.?), January 16, 2000.

Very interesting to check back in to tby2k and see this post, just finished reading through today's edition of Atlanta Journal Constitution and came across this article that interested me then scared me. Thank god for tby2k may be one of the last places to get unspun news even if you have to filter out the flames and trolls etc.

"CRITICS HAVE BIG QUESTION"

In 1983, benBagdikan, a Pulitzer Prize winnning newspaperman wrote in his book "The Media Monopoly" that a mere 50 companies controlled most of what Americans read in books, magazines, and newspapers and watched on televisions and at the movies.

For the books sixth edition due in march that number has decreased to SIX......

Not sure how to hotlink but here is the adress:

http:/www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/epaper/editions/today/busines s_10.html

-- phil (phillipmorris@mindspring.com), January 16, 2000.

dang media - keeping the lights on just to fool us

-- rmm (no@ala.com), January 16, 2000.

Try using your brain-oh that's right, you don't have one! And why are you using a computer- pretty liberal stuff! Its hard to believe there's room in your trailer for one.

-- (Laughing@insipidmorons.allday), January 16, 2000.

Not to start a debate but:

How is Clinton hiding:

1. Complete grid failure 2. Total breakdown in the US

Were these just a couple of the tremendous ongoings that were suppose to happen 1 Jan 2000?

Only the mainstream reporters side with the government. There are way too many reporters out there that would dive into Y2K if it was a significant event.

It was an unknown that didn't happen. Let it go pal. You sound like some sort of zealot that is looking for gloom and doom.

Gary North rose up and 3 classes of people came out of it, True Believers, Unbelievers and Make Believers.

An unbeliever did nothing for Y2k, a True Believer prepared his family and loved ones for Y2k, but the Make Believer is still screaming Y2k.

-- cork (corcorab@hotmail.com), January 16, 2000.

Great post!!

Hope you got back to your bunker in time!!

I'd suggest staying there where it is safe. I am ashamed that I have been brainwashed into thinking that it is life as usual around here. Keep this kind of true journalism coming!!

-- ImSo (happy@prepped.com), January 16, 2000.

Carl, I heard a strong rumor this Summer about the Marines training in Quantico to keep federal workers on the job when they didn't get their paychecks in January. That didn't happen (yet). Do you have a link for the UN in Alabama?

-- John (LITTMANNJ@AOL.COM), January 16, 2000.

Carl,

You're absolutely right, the liberal media is hiding the real game plan. World Net Daily is the only media telling the truth, so you had better heed their words. They say that Clinton and the UN are going to let China and Russia nuke the U.S., so the only place you'll be safe is deep undergound. The black soldiers named "goog" will not bother you racist intolerant bigots as long as you stay down in your hole, because they are afraid of the dark. The conservatives have also discovered that the liberals are using a form of subliminal mind control over the Internet that zaps your brain through your computer monitor, so the only way you'll be able to remain a truly free patriot is to disconnect your computer NOW. Good luck.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 16, 2000.

Looks like a couple or three trolls having fun here.

-- I (can@spot.em), January 16, 2000.

http://www.cjnetworks.com/~cubsfan/libgood.html

Accomplishments of Liberalism

So what have you done for me? If you are an American citizen, liberalism has done a lot for you. This list is nowhere near complete, but it touches on the highlights of liberalism's proudest accomplishments. Also, notice how many of these have the word "present" for the time frame. This shows that we are still reaping the benefits of these liberal programs today, in 1998. If you have an addition to this list, please send me e-mail. You may also be interested in what conservatives thought about many of these programs.

Interstate Highway System

era: 1950's-present Proposed by Roosevelt and erected by Eisenhower (a Republican), the Interstate system was a big government project. As much as anything else in the post WWII era, the Interstate is responsible for tremendous economic growth, prosperity, and has spawned an entire culture.

GI Bill

era: 1950's This act of Congress enabled millions upon millions of Americans to get college educations, something that most Americans had never had the opportunity to do previously. An entire generation of leaders, scientists, and business people owe their education to the GI Bill.

Labor Laws

era: 1930's-present An end to child labor, 40 hour work weeks, the right of employees to collectively bargain, overtime pay, workplace safety, all of the things we take for granted today are thanks to liberal laws passed in the first half of this century. It was the conservatives who fought tooth and nail against the end of sweatshops and exploitation.

Marshall Plan

era: late 1940's-1950's Foreign aid is a popular scapegoat these days. Those who would cut it should look back at the Marshall Plan, which rebuilt Europe, and is the major reason that Communism never made it past East Berlin.

Environmental Laws

era: 1970's-present The environment has gotten much better in the last 30 years thanks to liberals. Bald Eagles fly once again thanks to endangered species laws, most rivers and lakes are clean again due to anti-pollution laws, and frequent smog days are a thing of the past in most big American cities.

Food safety laws

era: 1910's-present Ever read Sinclair's "The Jungle?" That's what things were really like before food purity laws were on the books. Today cases of food poisoning are rare, and consumers know that whatever they buy is safe to eat.

Workplace safety laws

era: 1930's-present Long hours in unsafe conditions are much rarer today than in the past. Tragedies such as the Triangle Shirtwaist fire and child labor have been eliminated by liberal and progressive legislation.

Social Security

era: 1930's-1970's This program has provided three generations of Americans retirement benefits, and nearly eliminated poverty among the elderly. The program is weakening now, but for 50 years it did its job to a T.

Economic Growth

era: 1950's-1960's Liberalism and economic prosperity go hand-in-hand. Unlike the pseudo-boom of the 1980's, the 1950's and 1960's were a period of sustained and real growth for all sectors of the economy and all social classes. Taxes were fair, government worked, and America prospered under both Democratic and Republican administrations

Space Program

era: 1950's-present It was Kennedy who challenged us to make it to the moon, and it is under his and Johnson's administrations that the space program took off, with numerous benefits to American industry and peoples' standard of living, not to mention national pride. If you are reading this on a computer, thank the space program and the liberals who got it going.

Peace corps

era: 1960's-present Kennedy inspired thousands of Americans to ask what they could do for their country, and the Peace Corps is his most visible and effective legacy

Civil rights movement

era: 1950's-present Liberal ideals drove the biggest change in American society since the Civil War, the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s. All Americans who believe in freedom and opportunity cannot help but be inspired by the valiant struggles of MLK and others. Also recall if you will that the major opponents of civil rights were conservatives.

The fight against Totalitarianism

era: always World War II was fought by all Americans; liberals and conservatives fought together the evil of Nazism. The ideal we fought for was freedom and the dignity of the individual against totalitarianism. Under the leadership of Roosevelt and Truman, we won. But the battle is never over, so we must remain vigilant.

The Internet

era: 1960's-present Not a liberal program per se, but rather a government one, which many equate as the same thing. The internet is a good example of what a government program can do when allowed to work.

The Tennessee Valley project

era: 1930's The Depression-era government program bought electricity to thousands of impoverished families in Appalachia, prevented floods, and created thousands of new jobs.

Women's right to vote

era: 1920's-present Before 1920, half of America's population could not exercise the essential duty of citizenship.

Universal Public Education

era: 1890's-present The reason America is so strong economically is because we have a well-educated citizenry. Public schooling is the true melting pot of America, where every student, regardless of economic background can be taught the basics of citizenship. It is no coincidence that in the last 20 years, as conservatives have greatly weakened the public school system, that American students have scored lower on tests and our civic society has started to unravel.

National Weather Service

era: 1930's-present This is one of those things you never think about, but you are glad its there. Far from just forecasting the weather, the NWS also provides vital data to pilots and sailors, and the NWS satellites and observation posts provide the raw data that all other weather forecasting services (private ones too!) depend on.

Scientific Research

era: 1940's-present Much of the great discoveries in science have come about through grants from the government. This is not to say that scientific genius depends on Washington, but the fact remains that pure science is expensive, and private industry will often not fund experiments which don't have a direct commercial potential. From Salk's polio vaccine to todays Human Genome Project and Hubble Space Telescope, the government is an important partner in scientific discovery.

Product Labeling/Truth in Advertising Laws

era: 1910's-present "We take it for granted that if a claim is made publicly for a product, it's reasonable to assume it's true. Plus, every time we check the ingredients on a can or package of food, we should mentally call down blessings on the liberals who passed the necessary legislation over the anguished howls of the conservatives, who were convinced such info would be prohibitively expensive, and too big a burden on business."

Public Health

era: 1910's-present Government funded water and sewage systems are an important part of modernity. In addition, organizations such as the National Institute of Health and the Center for Disease Control play an important part in maintaining the national health and preventing epidemics through research, vaccination programs, etc.

Morrill Land Grant Act

era: late 1800's This act is the reason why nearly every state in the Union has a large public university. These centers of learning have educated untold millions of Americans. If you went to a school with a state name in it, then you were helped by liberalism.

Rural Electrification

era: 1930's-1960's This allowed remote, rural areas of the country the basic convinience of electricity. I am sure that those of us using computers on the internet, sitting in our air conditioned homes, under our electric lights consider electricity a basic necessity - one that the pure market would never have found profitable to provide to isolated farming communities.

Public Universities

era: 1890's-present day Put a college education within the reach of nearly every American. In addition to education, many of these institutions have played key roles in all kinds of scientific research and been a strong influence on our entire society.

Bank Deposit Insurance

era: 1930's-present day About 1934, as part of extensive New Deal banking legislation, Congress created the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) to provide federal insurance for bank deposits.J This was instrumental in restoring confidence in our nation's banks, and remains so to this day.

Earned Income Tax Credit

era: 1970's-present day Reduces the tax burden for working families who make under $28,500.00 You have to earn income to get it. It is not a handout. It's a great incentive for families to stay off welfare. But the atmosphere has changed in Washington, and Republicans had to find a way to pay for their capital-gains tax cut, and EITC was their ticket to success. So, the Republicans voted to cut this program by $29 billion over a certain time frame. Well guess what? They just raised the taxes on lower income working families.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

era: 1940's-present day The world's foremost authority and defense against infectious disease and epidemic is a department of the United States government.

Family and Medical Leave Act

era: 1993-present day This is a program which mandates that you have the right to job leave to take care of sick family members, or to have a child. Many conservatives were opposed to this valuable piece of legislation. Perhaps they were opposed to family values?

Consumer Product Safety Commission

era: 1972-present day These guys regulate consumer products for safety. Everything from sharp (and edible) baby toys to flammable pjamas have been taken off the market due to the work of this commission.

Public Broadcasting

era: 1930's-present day Millions of our children have learned from shows like Sesame Street, 3-2-1 Contact, and Mister Rogers (and so many more). Millions of adults continue to learn from shows like Nova. Also, the best broadcast journalism is by far National Public Radio. PBS and NPR have served to enrich our national culture.

Americans With Disabilities Act

era: 1990-present day Civil rights for disabled citizens. It is fair, just, and it is the law of the land. Credit where credit is due, former Senator Bob Dole helped push this through, a rare nod in favor of liberalism from Mr. Dole.

This is not to say that Liberalism is perfect. Far from it. Like any ideology, it must be constantly on guard for signs of internal decay, and must embrace change in order to remain relevant in a changing world.

-- alan (foo@bar.com), January 16, 2000.

Liberal media?

Interesting development on that front. Although most reporters are liberal, the editors and higher-ups, who control what gets published and who gets laid off, are ultra conservative as a whole.

I think with this data, I might suggest it is the fault of the uh fascist media, and its' federal kick-back money.

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), January 16, 2000.

::quietly steps back from the loud, scary man:: Er, anyway.... Is it just me, or did anyone else notice that around January 1st, the media actually seemed to be HOPING for some sort of Y2K disaster so that they'd have a juicy story to report? They seemed just as surprised as anyone (and a little bit embarrassed) when nothing happened anywhere. I also think the main reason that "Non-Y2K related" was such a catch phrase for a week or two is because they wanted to keep milking the bloody thing, even if there was no story.

In other words, if there WAS a major Y2K-related failure somewhere that the American media believed the general American public would be interested in or concerned about (not many Americans I know of care about what's going on in Timbuktu or other obscure places unless it affects them in a direct and obvious way), I think they'd report it nationally. You can only hide things for so long, and besides, a little sensationalism is good for ratings.

-- *Rochelle. :) (rainbowdrop@usa.net), January 17, 2000.