Nukes tripping off line every day now. Refineries ARE having problems. One tried to restart today and created a different problem.

-- Gordon (g_gecko_69@hotmail.com), January 11, 2000

Answers

Thanks Gordon. When you get time, how about some details?

-- Earl (earl.shuholm@worldnet.att.net), January 11, 2000.

Gordon, What is the one number I can look at everyday in the Wall St. Journal to guage supply/demand status? . . . spot price of unleaded gas?

-- Puddintame (achillesg@hotmail.com), January 11, 2000.

Gordon....we've been following the oil "stuff" for a while.....are you able to identify (or at least where?) the refinery that "tried to restart today and created a different problem.".....and that problem would be?

Thanks...your posts are good (when they can be localised).

-- Birdlady (Birdlady@nest.home), January 11, 2000.

This is from Roleigh Martins listserv. I hope it helps.

>2000-01-10 11:16:04 EST >***MOTIVA DELAWARE CRUDE UNIT STILL IDLE AFTER FAILED RESTART > East Coast spot market sources tell OPIS that Motiva failed to restart >a crude unit over the weekend at its 170,000 b/d Delaware City refinery and >the plant is basically at minimum rates after a Friday fire. > Motiva has remained quiet about any updates leading to speculation among >the trading community that the problem may take at least a week to fix. > "I heard the crude unit restart did not go well at all," one spot trader >said. > While some sources say that the entire refinery may be "idle mode" and >personnel are basically keeping all units "warm" until the crude unit is >back up, others say that FCC unit was still operating at about 60 percent >capacity. But with the facility's onsite feedstock running low, rates would >be curtailed even further, sources said. > Calls to Motiva concerning the situation were not returned at presstime. > > - Mark Mahoney - mmahoney@opisnet.com

-- PA Engineer (PA Engineer@longtimelurker.com), January 11, 2000.

That's right, polly-wogs, I'm keeping an eye on you...

yuk yuk

-- Hillbilly (Hillbilly@possum.creek), January 11, 2000.

Pollies should "tone it down a bit...???" How about "sober up" for a change

ummmm....it sorta goes like this:

Subj: Post Mortem on Y2K - Roger Waters was right.... Date: 1/10/2000 To: uk-bcp@egroups.com

In a message dated 1/10/2000 9:58:09 AM Central Standard Time, r.rosen@psglaw.com writes:

<< It strikes me that the Y2K post-mortem is a bit premature...It doesn't mean that the mosquitos don't exist. It only means that Darwin was right and Y2K is not an extinction-level event What counts is: *how* was the money spent?...etc., It is much too soon for a post-mortem; it is much too soon to claim Y2K was a non-event. I leave the long-term benefits of Y2K for ecomm and other such activities to those admiring the forest...while I continue to bump into trees.

Robert Rosen >> --------------------------------------------- Robert,

Very insightful analysis on 'Y2K Post Mortem - A Bit Premature'...pretty much 'dead on target' (no pun intended).

From another perspective/context....the apparent illusion of 'Y2K success' can be seen somewhat analogous to getting the intercom and all the pinball machines 'fixed'...on the Titanic. Job well done, but perhaps not all that relevant in the bigger picture of things; just one less problem to complicate 'present matters'.

The '#1 Major Infrastructure Problem' was never 'fixing the wire-com system on the boat.' It may have been the most immediate, but not the most pressing. Like the Titanic, it's where the boat is headed in general...as a final destination, which is relevant. I'm sure the Titanic passed one or more icebergs, or had a few 'near misses' before finding it's true destiny. Too bad the Captain didn't keep his eye on the ball for the entire journey...huh? Maybe would have resulted in a different outcome. I wonder if there is a hidden lesson in all this for us? But you know, Man and his technology... absolutely invulnerable.

Lest we not forget the many global problems we were and are now facing (before Y2K temporarily took center stage; but fading quickly)...now that people are getting back to their TV soap operas and other 'pass-times' of Galactic importance: making profits, getting ahead, keeping our heads down, don't stir-up the Natives, relax, meditate and it will all take care of itself; see how smart us humans are? and all that rah-rah, blah...blah, etc.

Clearly, we have bigger problems than Y2K to admit, face up to, assess and remediate...a major understatement. You know...the one's we keep hearing about, the one's that won't go away, the one's we are (mostly) all in denial about, or rather...sadly mis-informed about...those ones.

You know..the one's that don't have a quick fix; the tough ones: rainforests, ozone, dioxins, fluorides, nuclear waste, global heat balance, wide spread ignorance, media systems filled with garbage, i.e. 'thought pollution'; too many governments (and corporations) way off-course; screwed-up global and national priorities - especially in the US; Man's inhumanity to man, the environment and to other species; world hunger; 'why' industrial hemp is 'illegal'; suppressing ozone medical therapy...who knows, maybe even throw in 'the ET situation' and crop circles...and other 'innocuous little trees' in The Big Forest - that we all bump into now and then...just to keep things interesting, so we don't all fall back asleep at the same time.

Something to think about....or not.

Best,

Steve Meyers Global Strategies Project http://www.bashar.com/GSP

"A high level of curiosity is one of the distinguishing characteristics of true intelligence...."

"Mankind: the species that entertained itself to death." Roger Waters / 'Pink Floyd'

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-- Steve Meyers (SMeyers33@aol.com), January 11, 2000.

Gas prices were lowered today 2 cents a gallon in our town. I'm not complaining, but it's a far cry from the $2.50+ predicted increase before Xmas. Stock market is humming right along, everything is rosey, supermarkets are stocked, but I still see trouble down the road. Can't get rid of that feeling, I don't feel right. Thanks Gordon, your posts are always informative.

-- uneasy (uneasy@uneasyyy.xcom), January 11, 2000.