MISSING PIECES TO THE PUZZLE: Re: If we spent/remediated ourselves out of Y2K ... What about those that did little and enjoy same results???

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>>If we spent/remediated ourselves out of Y2K ... What about those that did little and enjoy same results??? greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On the surface (today) it appears that to do nothing was the wise and cost-effective thing to do. Fix-On-Failure seems to have paid off so far for Third World nations, local governments, and small businesses ... don't you think?

Isn't there a BIG piece of the puzzle still missing in all of this?

-- jas (jas@jaminmark.com), January 08, 2000

Answers jas, I wwas thinking about just this thing this morning. NYC announced at one point that it was 68 percent remediated. What if it became, through exhausting work, 88 percent remediated? Where's the rest? Are people processing things manually? What's really going on? I am very curious and confused.

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), January 08, 2000.<<

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>>ISN'T THERE A BIG PIECE TO THE PUZZLE STILL MISSING IN ALL OF THIS?... WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON? I AM VERY CURIOUS AND CONFUSED<< [Comment: Don't be confused. Didn't Alan Greenspan say that even 99% fixing within banking would not be good enough? As for the missing pieces to eventually complete the enigmatic Y2K jigsaw during the next few months, they're out there; and in the facts presented within this forum. It's just that we're being told to prematurely put the puzzle away or that the parts just don't fit. As the coming days go by, I believe the overall picture will sufficiently emerge to depict the accurate tableau at that time, whatever that may be. Just be patient and wait. Soon enough we shall ALL find out the answer all are seeking for through the often hostile environment of this public forum. Let the truth come out. It cannot be held back forever. The truth is, much of these programs were not fixed, and to stone-facedly predict that they will not present any problems in the future is shear fantasy. We were told: that only 5% of any failures would occur "at around the time of rollover"--yet we wonder why "nothing has happened yet". That 50-80% of all problems would occur in the "days, weeks and months" beyond the rollover, even into 2001 and beyond; that the shockwaves of any problems would be "largely hidden" until well into January; that most systems were simply turned off at the time of rollover and turned on later this past week; that certain glitches may not become "activated" (accessed) until a later, and oftentimes, unknown date; that the world banking system will face a challenge in one week with resumption of specific international transactions that have been heretofore prohibited up till now; that most companies and organizations are remaining tight-lipped for insurance reasons; that there is a virtual gag on reporting problems; that a mainstream-media spin-control/ blackout situation basically exists; that very little is supposedly "Y2K related"; that Y2K is presently awash in a hopeless, banal sea of relativism; that the only reality left is polly/ doomer dialectics; to substitute opinion for cold, hard fact through psychological and social intimidation. The TRUTH is, NOTHING has changed since only one week, except the notion that Y2K was never a one day event (a one shot deal) to begin with; that corruption takes time; that there never was a silver bullet. The sooner we learn this, the better we'll be able to handle the superb propaganda hoisted upon an often too trusting people in a matter that may still well effect ones very life (as well as soul). With such stakes, was it (is it still?) so foolish to have taken logical and precautionary preparation measures? Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and unto God, that which is God's--for He may be the only One left to help us out of the coming, ever-increasingly darkening times about to come upon this planet. A time which no one expects...]

THE SECOND COMING

Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of SPIRITUS MUNDI Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze as blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?

(WILLIAM BUTLER YEATS)

-- Patrick Lastella (Lastella 1@aol.com), January 08, 2000

Answers

Patrick:

They will operate as they did before; and so will we. If you have been to some of these places, you know that it is a good thing that we didn't become like them.

Best wishes,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 08, 2000.


For your missing pieces see my posts in:

Something has been bothering me? Everyone's opinion is welcome.

and in

Ed Yourdon... how about some straight talk?

-- Interested Spectator (is@the_ring.side), January 08, 2000.


Here is a piece of the puzzle. I received this e-mail today, now scrubbed of identifying names.

"Xyz Service, on the other hand, had a consultant working for several months, getting their system prepared for Y2K. The first time they powered up their computers after the dawn of the new millennium, they failed to process any meaningful data, and are STILL down!

The guy who did the work for them does not answer his phone. He is from Virginia, so today the owner loaded their server into his car and headed for Virginia to try to locate the guy!

Meanwhile, they are operating with pencil and paper, and when G. called one of the 40 or so drivers, the guy said he wasn't going to go on any more runs until they got his paycheck straightened out!

You can bet that this sort of thing is happening all across the country, but it is not receiving media attention anymore."

Have we really remediated us out of the hole?

-- W (me@home.now), January 09, 2000.


Before we remediated Y2K at our shop, we had no real idea what level of effort it was going to take to have all our systems Y2K ready. To have done nothing and waited for failures would have been unacceptable because we did not know how large the failures would be. We could no take the chance and hope for the best. We had to devote the time, resources, and money to remediate. This was the only wise thing to do. We could have debated and wondered until 1/1/00 and that would not have been wise. Testing and remediation were very necessary.

We discovered, to our surprise, the fixes we had to make were neither complex nor numerous. We could have fixed on failure and been ok. But we could not take the chance. No reasonable company wanted to take that chance. Nobody had a crystal ball to know what sorts of failures we would be faced with.

The countries that chose to fix on failure have been very lucky. They gambled and it paid off. It could have been otherwise for them.

-- Chris Josephson (chrisj62954@aol.com), January 09, 2000.


Thank you, Patrick Lastella, for your answer to the "Big Piece of the Puzzle" question. I think you've hit the "nail on the head". We're being lulled into thinking Y2K is all over. It's not over by a long way! Patience is what is needed - and a bit of charity. Some of the comments posted by those "pollies" who wish to remain anonymous are offensive, to say the least! Patrick, your quote from Yeats is what this game is really all about - we need to be on our spiritual guard. While I

-- Chris Merrick (chrism@niagararc.com), January 09, 2000.


>>Answers

The countries that chose to fix on failure have been very lucky. They gambled and it paid off. It could have been otherwise for them.

-- Chris Josephson (chrisj62954@aol.com), January 09, 2000.<<

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[Comment: "...have been very lucky", SO FAR. But unfortunately this has all just begun. Even if the US were theoretically 100% compliant, foreign code error could corrupt our systems, and visa versa. Even "compliant" or "remediated" code has a built in failure rate. This is far from over yet.]

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>>Patrick: They will operate as they did before; and so will we. If you have been to some of these places, you know that it is a good thing that we didn't become like them.

Best wishes,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 08, 2000.<<

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[Comment: The below post is a foretaste of that. However, the national and international banking/ credit/ financial/ governmental/ military/ utilities, distribution / industrial/ informational/ etc., systems cannot revert back to such primitive methods. They would collapse. So-called "backward" or "third world" countries can revert more to oldfangled ways to survive, but not here; though I am an advocate of "the simpler days".]

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< You can bet that this sort of thing is happening all across the country, but it is not receiving media attention anymore."

-- W (me@home.now), January 09, 2000.<<

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[Comment: These are the kinds of unreported, almost ironically "amusing" things that will continue to escalate in number until a situation becomes possibly serious. There could be a snowball effect eventually. That's why Y2K is "synergistic" in nature. The combined effects of glitches will produce a greater impact than if they occured separately. If drivers don't get paid, it doesn't get delivered, etc., etc., etc. This country is too technologically reliant to revert to pen and pencil or abacuses.]

-- Patrick Lastella (Lastella1@aol.com), January 09, 2000.


>>Meanwhile, they are operating with pencil and paper, and when G. called one of the 40 or so drivers, the guy said he wasn't going to go on any more runs until they got his paycheck straightened out!

You can bet that this sort of thing is happening all across the country, but it is not receiving media attention anymore."

Have we really remediated us out of the hole? -- W (me@home.now), January 09, 2000. <<

THIS WAS WHAT I MEANT TO INCLUDE IN THE PREVIOUS RESPONSE POST. MUST HAVE BEEN A MENTAL GLITCH. TO THE OTHERS, THANKS FOR THE COMMENTS.

-- Patrick Lastella (Lastella1@aol.com), January 09, 2000.


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