Very, very interesting...

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posted January 06, 2000 07:46 PM

This needs no introduction here......just read for yourselves.

SCAN THIS NEWS 1.6.2000

For those of us concerned about the building of a virtual police state via a ubiquitous computer network system where every action creates a detailed electronic trail, the greater fear leading up to Y2K event was not that there would be massive inherent computer failures, but that there would be none. The greater concern was that "The System" would perform perfectly, resulting in the institution of unshakable confidence in its infallibility; the unavoidable consequence being that the system would be allowed to expand without limitation because of its proven reliability. As it turned out, The System performed flawlessly.

The smooth transition into the 2000s was of course due in no small part to the fact that untold billions of dollars were spent world wide UPGRADING "The System" to the extent that all of the key network infrastructure (i.e., financial institutions and government agencies) now operate with the latest standards in computer technology. Coincidence? Or simply a "planned" upgrade?

Another subject we've been discussing recently is psychological persuasion which we defined as "any action designed to influence a person or group to respond in a predictable, desired fashion."

Would government agencies have been able to justify spending billions of dollars to simultaneously upgrade their networks absent the Y2K scare? It is doubtful.

Whether it occurred purely by happenstance or by design, the net result of the Y2K scare is that now most of the world's key computer systems are all upgraded to the newest computer hardware and software standards. Larry Becraft addresses this subject in his note to Jim Hardin which follows:

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Hey Jim,

In linear terms, there is a crude method (or subtle art form) for getting people to move from point "A" to point "B" as quickly as possible: the stampede. From the old cowboy movies, we all recall how Rowdy destroyed the cattle rustlers' camp; he fired his guns in the air to get the buffalo to stampede over it. People act the same way, and proof of this is shouting "fire" in a crowded theater. At Halloween, small children can be sent scurrying down the sidewalk in the opposite direction when the "ghost" jumps out from behind the fence. All sorts of people can be made as a group to move in a certain direction just by simply cutting off an avenue of movement by erecting some real or imaginary danger in the way.

This stampede technique does not entirely depend upon fear as a method of getting people to move, and "attraction" can be used for the same purpose. Department stores advertise sales to attract a stampede of customers. Goalposts will attract excited fans of the winning team at the end of a game. A picnic with fireworks on July 4 can bring a huge crowd. Fear and attraction can get people to move.

The stampede technique can be used not only linearly but temporally as well, and predictions of good or bad in the future can scurry people away from certain future conduct or attract them. Fear of death stampedes people to insurance companies and churches. The desire to have a good time attracts many people to plan vacations to Disneyland. Predictions of wars, recessions and economic booms cause stockmakets and all sorts of people to plan and act accordingly.

There can be no doubt that central planners are building a giant spy network in our country, which will be capable of watching us all in real time. This system will track everyone's purchases, payments, activities and movements via concealed cameras, digital identifiers, scanners, transmitters and implants. But of course this spy network will depend greatly upon computer systems, and computer technology is making quantum leaps. If events unfold naturally, it will take a specific amount of time to build this network. To speed up the arrival of this system, one of the above stampede techniques could be used.

If the government wished to hasten the day when the spy network comes online, laws could have been passed to require people, businesses and companies to make improvements to their computer systems, but this compulsion might have been too obvious and people might have detected the plans for the police state's erection. Now a few days after the Y2K deadline, we learn that billions have in fact been spent here in the United States to vastly improve our computers; and the morning papers are touting that as a result (having spent far more than the rest of the world combined), we now have the "computer advantage." Something stinks about this whole story: fear was used to get people to move in a certain direction, and that course involved the significant improvement of our computers. This might be entirely wrong, but it is difficult to not think that we have been subjected to the stampede technique to push us closer to the erection of the giant spy network.

Larry Becraft



-- dizzy (spinning@y2k.com), January 06, 2000

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Sorry, this is from Hyatt's board (News)

-- dizzy (spinning@y2k.com), January 06, 2000.

Dizzy,

Since about 20 or 30,000 of us worked on the Y2K upgrades, doesn't it stretch credulity that none of us knew any of this "spy" type thing was happening? Do you think the government is actually clever enough to actually do something like this? Bill Gates, maybe, Bill Clinton...

Jim

-- Jim Cooke (JJCooke@yahoo.com), January 06, 2000.


Fixing the computers and knowing why don't have to go hand in hand necessarily. Why would you need to be told by TPTB?

-- dizzy (spinning@y2k.com), January 06, 2000.

Spin a little more, dizzy, and you'll get all the doomers to believe that their leaders are actually aliens, not just 'government plants'.

At least I hope that merely messing with doomer heads is your goal in the above. Because, if you actually believe what you wrote, then you already know that I'm actually one of *them*. Then, of course, you will soon be altered via our special thoughtmod team. Don't worry too much about the pain, we'll make extra sure you don't remember it [or not really]. HaHaHaHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

-- tim phronesia (phronesia@webtv.net), January 06, 2000.


It may be giving too much credit to say this was planned, but the result will be the same. More data bases, more internet surveillance, more remote cameras, better ways of tracking you from cradle to grave -- all sold under the labels of safety and convenience.

Ah, yes, the "crazies will all be neutralized by being in a data base and your child will be safe from kidnapping if you have a microchip implanted at birth. Personally, I find it distasteful for my government to treat me or my child like we are livestock or a pet dog, but, hey! if you like it, do it.

Just don't make it mandatory that I do it too.

-- Gypsy (GypsiGold@aol.com), January 06, 2000.



Sheesh, I must've missed hearing the fat lady sing here.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), January 07, 2000.

Dizzy,

What if TPTB are instead *disappointed* with the non-event status? All huddled in their bunkers, with factions uh I mean troops ready to go...

Like that FARSIDE cartoon of all the generals sitting around the table, plans up on the chalkboard, and the general standing poses the question to the group: "What would happen if we threw a war, and *no one* came?"

So if you are all geared up, plans in place, for operations behind a smoke screen, and your smoke machine goes *ka-plewie, what do you do?

Get a new smoke screen machine?

Then what awaits us?

(just thinkin' out loud)

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), January 07, 2000.


Dang, you caught me, despite being understaffed and on an insane timescale, we did indeed stop bug fixing and development to integrate that New World Order approved voice recognition chip into our phone switch. Makes perfect financial sense.

Oh no, now They will track me down and replace me with a Replicant.

-- Servant (public_service@yahoo.com), January 07, 2000.


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