Y2k is now starting to get a bit serious and yes y2k is now claming people's lives even though we're told its nothing to do with y2k. The failures have NOT decreased as a 2-3 day scenario, but are increasing. New Zealand is only just starting to experience a bit of failure now but this failure will be going on all over the world I strongly suggest that you preps now if you haven't before the JIT manufactuing and distribution systems get hit.

-- Brent Nichols (b-nichol@ihug.co.nz), January 06, 2000

Answers

Welcome back Brent!

-- Kim Scaramastro (kim@antipas.org), January 06, 2000.

Brent: what are some of the failures you're seeing in NZ?

-- Dzog (dzog@plasticine.com), January 06, 2000.

Well for one, the failures are mounting up as each day is going by, its no longer a bit of Pollyrama. In New Zealand we went back to work I believe on Wendesday. Its only been a couple of days but failures have been happening, just very minor, date issues with software, a few hiccups but know if its as bad as it is over where you guys are and it is worsening (which it is) then it will soon be the same here and all over the world. Only gonna be back for a little while but am taking down each and every thing that is going wrong and the amount of damage y2k is causing is well into the millions already. Its now getting to be more than a bump in the road, things are being destroyed and you DON"T have this much IT failure going on in one day, whether y2k related or not as the media tries to tell you.

-- Brent Nichols (b-nichol@ihug.co.nz), January 06, 2000.

Brent-Please explain further-why more serious?? It would be nice to have as much fore warning as possible.

-- (I Believe (Repent@time is now.com)), January 06, 2000.

Forewarning? I am giving is to prepare basics, food water now if you haven't done it, start doing it. Because I don't know how long before you guys will start suffering with supply, distribution, JIT problems, your supermarkets all run by the Just-in-time delivery, production service and these things are not going to be fixed in a day, because when one failure is fixed another starts, and then the failres backlog and pile up on the programmers. Y2k at the moment is obviously about one failure hitting after another untill the whole lot start's piling up.

-- Brent Nichols (b-nichol@ihug.co.nz), January 06, 2000.

Yawn. Brent's daily prayer that the sky Please! Please! fall. Just a little, huh?

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), January 06, 2000.

I believe we definitely have a massive cover up here in the states but what are you seeing that is causing loss of life? I wish programmers or those in the right places could anonymously post some real TRUTH that we could bite into. The silence is deafening

-- (I Believe (Repent@time is now.com)), January 06, 2000.

Stick around Brent, you aint seen nothing yet. Of course, since Flint was unable, Cherri will be around soon to explain exactly what it is we are experiencing with our eyes and ears.

-- Fat Lady (@ .), January 06, 2000.

Brent, you start off by telling us that Y2K problems are on the rise and lives have been lost. Someone asks you to be specific and you come out with the most pathetic bunch of nothing that Ive ever read. You are the kind of doomer idiot that keeps the pollies in business.

-- Look (at@the.facts), January 06, 2000.

Hey Brent. Glad to see ya back.

And as for "Look", yer kinda mud-slingin' is gettin' old, padna. Go tease your dog or something. Shhh. Nobody tell him he could get bit !

-- Rob (maxovrdrv51@hotmail.com), January 06, 2000.

Fat Lady:

We are seeing with our own eyes a hell of a lot less than I expected and predicted. So I was wrong, so far. And I *still* refuse to artificially exaggerate what little we're seeing in an attempt to prove my predictions were right all along. They weren't.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), January 06, 2000.

The world should have ended on January 1st.

BUT our destiny of disaster was stopped by a sinister conspiracy involving all of the largest corporations, thousands of programmers and billions of dollars.

If we don't expose this conspiracy now, then life could go on without interruption or stress and we will be denied our right to inhalation.

-- conspiracy (disaster@theend.com), January 06, 2000.

I beleive Freud called it Denial. You may think that I am referring to the pollies who are in denial but it seems the doomers are now the ones wearing the denial sign around their neck! Denial is one of the basic "coping mechanisms". It is especially effective and most often used when your whole way of life and view of reality has been shattered. We're a week in and I haven't missed a tv show, gotten cold in my house, missed a phone call and I was able to buy a Big Mac today at the same price I paid last Summer!

What is so un beleiveable is how many doomers are genuinely disappointed that the life is continuing as usual! Why do you want things to get bad? Just so you can say "I told you so?" Wow, what a screwed up bunch of values that is.

-- DAVID (tdavidc@arn.net), January 06, 2000.

Okay DAVID, I'll bite:

Since you've never "been a doomer" how can you understand one? Furthermore, by what evidence or authority (read detailed substantiation) do you say doomers are disappointed? My read is they're exstatic!

I didn't call myself a doomer, you and your buddies did. Have you ever had an intelligent discourse with one? My email addy is real...

If you want to argue to hear your own voice--too bad. If you genuinely want to discuss and increase both our understanding levels, talk to me.

-- (Kurt.Borzel@gems8.gov.bc.ca), January 06, 2000.

David: because you can buy a Big Mac and watch your TV shows, there are no problems... you're the ideal citizen, aren't you? The system needs more idiots like you. The planet, OTOH, needs less.

-- Dzog (dzog@plasticine.com), January 06, 2000.

There are some NZ's on this board.

One particularly forthright guy is Malcolm Taylor, an electricity guy whose credentials are impeccable, IMO.

Some of his work

If he should corroborate your position, we will note and discuss it.

Matt is also in a position to corroborate you.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), January 06, 2000.

brent i would love to know what so called problems we are sposed to be having here in new zealand.you state "New Zealand is only just starting to experience a bit of failure now " how about telling us where these saposed problems are occuring . im not saying that there isnt any problems occuring anywhere but would like to know more about the ones that are. alos love the post ppl its great ta see whats happening especially when its backed up with some proof

-- ferg (sh.lin@ihug.co.nz), January 06, 2000.

Actually folk, Flint is in the right on this one. Ya gotta show 'em to take the pot guys.

I'll call.

Chuck

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), January 07, 2000.

The Titanic hit the part of the iceberg that was under water while those on the ship thought they would be able to avoid the small part they could see above the water. Seeing only what is visible to the eyes is worthless, and this is Flint's main problem. He is truly blind to anything but the obvious. We're going down, whether you see it coming or not. Hang onto your life preservers.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 07, 2000.

Hey Brent, What part of NZ are you in? Down here in the South Island we aren't seeing many of these failures that you mention. I have already posted in different threads any failures found in the electricity industry, and so far I'm not aware of many others.

The y2K readiness commission has publicised 2 others which I read on Teletex, but they were so insignificant tha I can't even remember what they were.

A friends 486 defaulted to 1980, but when he reset the date to 2000 it accepted it just fine. (he was already awatre that this would happen).

So come on Brent, list those failures and we can check up on them.

-- Malcolm Taylor (taylorm@es.co.nz), January 07, 2000.

Finally, heres Brent to update his comment.

Before we get too confident in believing nothing will go wrong, It's now , 3 days at work for New Zealand only very few minor failures have as far to my knowledge have occured, just some minor date rollerovers hitting a few retailers, haywire calculators at the bank, its a waiting game to see how long the good smooth road will last, overseas its getting a bit bumpy now. We have more than one date rollover into 2000, there's the rollover of certain months ahead as well. System residue failure is what I'm concerned about.

-- Brent Nichols (b-nichol@ihug.co.nz), January 07, 2000.

-- Malcolm Taylor (taylorm@es.co.nz), January 07, 2000.