I'm curious as to whether anyone has heard anything from Milne. I prepped for a 10 but still lived only a mile from a 7-11. Didn't he say something about "toast"?

-- don (mrmtgman@aol.com), January 04, 2000

Answers

I live within 5 miles of FIVE 7-11's. (True Nassau County Long Island)

I believe that has acted as a sort of TEOTWAWKI cancelling black hole.

I am safe and will never die....

-- hamster (hamster@mycage.com), January 04, 2000.

Hamster, as a housewife who merely "exists" outside the event horizon, I can say it is rather boring here, about 6 miles from the nearest convenience store or even fire hydrant. Turkeys and bobcats are about the only excitement there is! Enjoy the LIE!

-- Wifey (steverromano@eaton.com), January 04, 2000.

The few times Milne has stuck his head up on csy2k to predict dire problems still in the future, he's been bombarded with rotten tomatoes from everyone he insulted for predicting what actually happened, and for doubting his pronouncements. He has, of course, been *extremely* careful not to mention any of his silly predictions or acknowledge any of those stuck in his face.

Bullies are cowards at heart. He promised to take his medicine, but his promises are no more accurate than his predictions. What else did you expect?

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), January 04, 2000.

Hello Flint,

I think you may be right about Mr. Milne. Although I prepared for a significantly higher problem than we have had, I tried to keep my "rantings" to a minimum "just in case". As many here and elsewhere said, no one really knew what to expect at the rollover, regardless of all the speculation. The exception was maybe Cherri, but she is the "Saviour of all mankind", and tried her darndest to warn all of us! I wish we could have met in person but with the short time left from when we talked by phone and the distance from here to there, it wasn't possible.

-- don (mrmtgman@aol.com), January 04, 2000.

Hello Flint,

I think you may be right about Mr. Milne. Although I prepared for a significantly higher problem than we have had, I tried to keep my "rantings" to a minimum "just in case". As many here and elsewhere said, no one really knew what to expect at the rollover, regardless of all the speculation. The exception was maybe Cherri, but she is the "Saviour of all mankind", and tried her darndest to warn all of us! I wish we could have met in person but with the short time left from when we talked by phone and the distance from here to there, it wasn't possible.

I wish you the best that this new millennium brings...

don

-- don (mrmtgman@aol.com), January 04, 2000.

Wifey,

Why is it that the people who live in the sticks are so sure they know the end is coming and that we people who live in the 'burbs are doomed ?.

This nonsense has gone on for decades. A very big part of the doomer (I am not talking about the normal prepper) mantra is that people living in the cities and suburbs are living some evil fast-paced lifestyle and y2k is going to clean it up and set us straight.

Face it, the people in the sticks have TV's, computers, high-tech medicine, etc.. because of the people in the cities and the suburbs. TEOTWAWKI is not coming any time soon.

-- hamster (hamster@mycage.com), January 04, 2000.

flint-child, As always , you are an ass. A premature ass, at that. Morons and knuckleheads like you are going to see that exactly what I stated is going to come to pass. It is the economic situation that is so critically fragile. It will not be much longer before you see huge moves down in the markets.

You are going to find out the hard way like all the rest of the blathering idiots who came out too early to do a victory dance. I love to watch morons like you snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Watch the markets for the next couple of days wise-ass. you are going to see some of the biggest moves in history. you heard it here first, bozo.

Paul Milne

Clinton: "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky"

bks: "It was not overt lying. It was overgeneralization for rhetorical purposes."

-- Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), January 04, 2000.

It doesn't really matter much what Milne's small group of internet critics think of him. I'm sure Milne isn't loosing any sleep over it and he shouldn't. This whole episode hasn't played out yet, so he may very well end up being partially correct. When one is trying to predict the future, being partially correct isn't that bad.

-- Dave (dannco@hotmail.com), January 04, 2000.

Sydney had the best fireworks.Just awesome.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), January 04, 2000.

Flint:

Of course, Paul was just one voice [of course a loud one; but just one voice]. If he turns out to be wrong; let's just agree to say he was wrong. The whole problem, as I see it, is that this was a technical problem; yet, no one was approaching it in technical terms. That may have been necessary due to the audience. But it was a shortcoming.

"Why is it that the people who live in the sticks are so sure they know the end is coming and that we people who live in the 'burbs are doomed ?. This nonsense has gone on for decades. A very big part of the doomer (I am not talking about the normal prepper) mantra is that people living in the cities and suburbs are living some evil fast-paced lifestyle and y2k is going to clean it up and set us straight. Face it, the people in the sticks have TV's, computers, high-tech medicine, etc.. because of the people in the cities and the suburbs. TEOTWAWKI is not coming any time soon.

-- hamster (hamster@mycage.com), January 04, 2000."

Hamster:

I am not nor have ever been a doomer. TEOTWAKI is not coming to folks in the Burbs; but a decrease in the quality of life is certainly coming. I'm sure that it will be a somewhat slow thing; but I have seen it in my lifetime. I remember walking in Yosemite when one didn't see anyone all day. No more. Maybe you have adjusted to crowds. Not my cup of tea.

Best wishes,,

Z

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-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 04, 2000.

My Dear Mr. Don

Sir I think perhaps you should pay closer attention to the events unfolding around you (nationally-internationally). May hap! While you sit crowing up on the proverbial fence post. A fox will nail you sorry A$$ for supper.

I am finding this constant barrage of "I hate Milne" very like some sort of plot from "Twilight Zone the Forum".

Young man, I suggest that you should pay a little more attention to what is unfolding now and in the near to mid term future. Your life and the lives of your loved ones may well depend on it.

A stock market crash, economic collaspe, war etc...These are the real troubles of Job! ( Not the sum of two letters and a number=Y2k) Can't you polly puss brains get it! It isn'the soft ware stupid! It is what the masses think, believe that the soft ware is! It is John Q and Miz Q"s concept of their world that matters. Not the actual condition of that world.

And it will be John Q. and Miz Q. Who will tear it all down! Just like they did in Watts, just like they did in Liberty City, just like they did in L. A.

So you continue on "ragging" at old Paul Milne! Feel real satisified with yourself that you are doing some thing "polly noble". Don't look up from your're screeching tyrades and see things as are they beginning to develope. After all! Gov. Org won't let nothing "bad" happen to me!

You poor benighted fool! First and last Gov. Org will preserve it's structure, it's foundation and yes! It's power. Then if, and a very big IF. There is anything left over...They might come by in oh say two or three days to see if you and yours made it through alive!

You have cursed Paul Milne! You are calling him callous and hard hearted; not caring for his fellow man... There are two types of fools in that(your) statement. The one (fool), caring enough for his fellow man, and willing to take any amount of verbal abuse in order to warn them (in the only way he knows how). And the other person(s)(fools), cursing the man's message of danger.

Paul Milne reminds me of my old drill instuctor in the Corps. I hated that old boy! I would have cheerfully....well not wished him well. But the second week "in country" I loved that D**MED old Leather Neck so much I would have kissed him in front of Gen. Lewis Walt. Becaused if he had of "pampered" me while in basic, and advanced basic. I would not be here today...Paul Milne knows only one way to warn you fools..And yes! You are fools! Just as I am a FOOL for trying to explain to you why Paul Milne does what he does.

I have for the most part lurked here on this forum. At times I have posted "a little". And yes, there was and is a lot more I could have posted. But I did not! My reasons...Well the kid posting here about how much his father was P/O'd about the problems that where occuring at the nuke plant......Remember how fast the (PR) person got in here and told the kid to have his father call the plant.."And that there was nothing wrong"?

If you do no think that every letter in the alphebet isn't monitoring this forum, then you are bigger FOOLS than I am.

So go on ahead...Keep nipping at old Paul Mine. Perhaps the next time he'll know that there are people in this old world who are too D##ned dumb to live. He is doing (by his warning you) something I would not do. But then he is a better christian than I.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Shakey~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-- Shakey (in_a_bunker@foerty.feet), January 04, 2000.

Howling laughter! The Mighty Milne, still "right" because of a predicted market dip! Head for the hills! Bbbillions dead! No, wait, BUY! It's always worked in the past.

Meanwhile, we'll all be drinking dog piss out of hubcaps *next* rollover. Honest.

Time to go home to mommie, Paulie. It's all over. Everything will be OK now.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), January 04, 2000.

Flint:

Is that really you? You have really gone over the edge. I think that you just lost the right to call Paul part of the fringe. I am disappointed.

Best wishes,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 04, 2000.

Flint is still an idiot and will sit there cakling with laughter, prematurely like a senile cheshire cat as the bottom dropd out. I have repeatedly stated that the problem, in its essence is ECONOMIC, not technical. You will find that we are on the brink of some of the biggest historical moves to the downside that we have ever seen.

I know that sub-cretinous imbeciles like flint can not understand this and they curse the darkness of their ignorance. No matter.It IS coming down and it won't be long.

-- Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), January 04, 2000.

"Face it, the people in the sticks have TV's, computers, high-tech medicine, etc.. because of the people in the cities and the suburbs."

You forgot the flip side: People in the cities and suburbs have FOOD because of "people in the sticks" who *grow* it for them.

Typical arrogant urban mentality.

And BTW, I was born in and grew up in NYC, perhaps you've heard of it. I left in the 1970s and there's no way I'd ever consider moving back.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 04, 2000.

Hey Milne, for the 18th time: Are you still sure that "millions and millions and uncounted millions will die?"

And, for the 35th time: Where is your proof? Even a little would do!

-- Paul Neuhardt (neuhardt@ultranet.com), January 04, 2000.

Paul:

What you are talking about may be an economic problem. But Y2K was at its basis a technical problem with economic consequences. My problem is that it has never been discussed as a technical problem. There has been limited input from the technical side [in technical terms]. It is also a management problem. It appears that management has solved many of the suspected problems. It hasn't been addressed from the management side. I have read a lot of stuff here [in my field of expertise] which is total nonsense. I'm sure that the same sort of stuff has been expressed in other fields. We should try to clean-up the misrepresentations. Don't you agree.

Best wish

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 04, 2000.

And while we are at it...

"I have repeatedly stated that the problem, in its essence is ECONOMIC, not technical."

Only recently did you start that tirade. Before, technology was going to be the destruction of us all. Hmmm, come to think of it, the "it's the economics, stupid" chant started right about the time you stopped ranting about "millions and millions and uncounted millions will die."

Coincidence?

-- Paul Neuhardt (neuhardt@ultranet.com), January 04, 2000.

Paul, Milne has preached that its an economic problem as long as I've been here, 18 months. His position is what caused me to realize that we were probably in for another depression. I always thought this was the most likely outcome, but that a total collapse was also a possibility.

Largest speculative bubble in history + biggest structured debt scheme in history + historically unprecedented y2k disruptions destroying efficiency and confidence = very serious problem

As for you Flint, you're gonna feel really stupid if and when it turns out you've jumped the gun on your gloat-fest. From Gartner, those 'idiot doomers':

...THE GLOBAL IT INDUSTRY RESEARCH FIRM, THE GARTNER GROUP, EXPECTS THE YEAR 2000 PROBLEM TO CAUSE COMPUTER FAILURES AROUND THE WORLD THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR AND POSSIBLY INTO 2001 AS WELL.

IT HAS FORECAST THAT 50 PER CENT OF Y2K FAILURES WILL BE SPREAD OUT OVER 2000.

THE UNITED NATIONS-SPONSORED Y2K DATA CLEARING HOUSE HAS ALSO WARNED THAT FULL IMPACT OF ANY YEAR 2000 PROBLEMS WILL BE LARGELY HIDDEN UNTIL MID-TO-LATE JANUARY.

THE DIRECTOR OF INTERNATIONAL Y2K COOPERATION CENTER, MR. BRUCE MCCONNELL, SAID Y2K ERRORS WILL BECOME EVIDENT DAYS AND WEEKS AFTER THE ROLLOVER. (end of quote)

-- a (a@a.a), January 04, 2000.

My Dear Z1X4Y7,

My Dear sir, you have brought up a truely pertenent subject. That Y2K has not been followed through all it's phases. (there are with yours[management} four phases to embedded systems.

(1) Design & blue printing and burning into the chips, by the IT engineers

(2) The assembly of mother boards etc by the vendors upon order from the customer

(3) Your management question

(4) feild modifications out on the construction site; after all sir. All you really need are a sorderings pencil, soe picfared cap., a date counter chip, a blue print of the mother board (or it's equalivent, and a need to "convert" or "modify" a system to a time sensitive (more likrly a time delay) respondse. It is and will continue to be my concern for the next 12 months that the feild "modified" systems will hit their failure dates..

And no...You will not get any consenous for a discussion of this subject here on this forum (or any other). There are those who cannot allow themselves to even entertain that we have collectively "shot ourselves in the foot".

There are many who have predicted what they thought would happen, I with held my thoughts on this subject...I will say though that so far...It has all gone about the way I figured it would. My ratings for the out come of Y2K?

infomagic is an optimist! He didn't allow for Joh and Jane Q. Public's reactions!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Shakey~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-- Shakey (in_a_bunker@forty.feet), January 05, 2000.

?...Are you still sure that "millions and millions and uncounted millions will die?"

Mr. Neuhardt:

Have you ever heard of the Great Depression and its (possible) causes? Do you think, even remotely, that there was an historic relation between it and Hitler, Stalin and FDR? No, you say, no relation at all? Did they perhaps appear de novo on the world scene, somewhat like one television program followed by another? (Ah, the beauty of US secondary education). Do you think that Japan just bombed Pearl Harbor out of the blue? Nanking? What's that? US oil embargo of the Netherlands East Indies? Dutch in Indonesia? When did that happen?

Government-starvation of Ukrainian farmers. Jet aircraft. Ballistic missiles. 4-engine bombers. Socrched earth. Total War on a scale inconceivable to the 19th century. Atomic weapons. All this from Smoot-Hawley and FED monetary policy in the 1930s?

Is it remotely possible that a global depression triggered by Y2k (or a financial reaction to Greenspan's M3 expansion in anticipation of a y2k liquidity crunch) could result in collapse of stock prices, margin calls, "counter-party" defaults and unwinding of trillions of dollars of leveraged positions?

What would happen politically and militarily?

No, the "millions and millions" stay. After all, it already has happened.

-- Total Doomer (sky@falling.com), January 05, 2000.

Total Doomer,

I wonder why it is that everyone else seems willing to answer this question for him, but the Mighty Milne refuses?

Could it be he has no answer?

-- Paul Neuhardt (neuhardt@ultranet.com), January 05, 2000.

Shakey,

I need to clarify myself. I am/was a "doomer" of the utmost. I have spent almost $30000.00 on preps for the eventual crisis of what I believe is still going to happen, y2k induced or not! My father has spent better than $75000.00 for this same event. I was simply trying to find out where Milne was as I had not heard anything from or about him since the rollover. I too, attempted some humor as to what he had indicated may happen. Whether or not Paul's scale of problems within our infrastructure will materialize is still in the air. We may very well yet have big problems from the economic standpoint but if we manage to hang onto the "iron triangle" then I think we may make it.

Take it a little easier my friend. I'm on your side of this issue.

don

-- don (mrmtgman@aol.com), January 05, 2000.

Paul Nuehardt,

If you want to see how millions and millions can die as result of a merely economic Y2K, look back a few years to the devastation wrought in Africa by the oil shock recession of the seventies.

How many people starved in all the countries of Central and East Africa because: their economies tanked, there were no funds to purchase the needed food at inflation-bloated prices, transport was hobbled by fuel shortages, their products couldn't sell on a depressed world market and the leaders deciding that in a moment of their neighbor's turmoil the smart thing to do was to start a war?

Look at Africa now and tell me the circumstances are any better and that such won't occur again if we see economic problems. And look at Asia and Latin America while you're at it. The situation in all those places is more precarious that it was when the oil shocks put the world's economy into a tailspin.

If it does indeed happen again, and it sure looks like it will, more than African nations will be taking part in the serious suffering and dying. Just hope that it doesn't come to a shore near you.

WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), January 05, 2000.

Again, you miss the point. For two years, Milne managed to include the phrase "millions and millions and uncounted millions will die" in a high percentage of his posts to the various forums. sometimes it was even billions, but the concept was always presented as an abslute certainty: millions would die as a direct result of Y2K problems.

Then, a few months ago he totally abandonded the phrase and has never returned to it. And, for all that time, he has refused any comment on either why he used in the first place or why he stopped using it as rollover approached. In short, he did what he always does: fling around wild apaocolyptic statements mixed in with large helpings of barbaric, profane rantings at anyone who does not share his ideas and delusions. He is content to let his apologists try to explain what he meant without ever having the courage to either step forward and claim his past statements as his current feelings or admit that his perceptions have changed over time.

In short, he is a petty little bully who picks fights then cowers and runs away when anyone pushes back while letting others attempt to fight his battles for him. All I am asking for from him, all I have ever asked from him, is to stand up for himself with something other than insults, state what he currently believes about how things will unfold, why he believes that the problems are related to the technological problem that is Y2K and what evidence he has for those beliefs. To date, he hasn't been willing to do that.

Ever wonder why?

-- Paul Neuhardt (neuhardt@ultranet.com), January 05, 2000.

"Ever wonder why?"

No. He has presented his arguments thousands of times. I don't need any further clarifications, redactions, or recantings.

Regarding my own preps, I have no regrets except for the $15.95 "environmentally-friendly" gas cans with spouts that were too short to reach anything and spring-loaded nozzle covers that could not be actuated (returned them to Home Depot last night without a problem).

-- Total Doomer (sky@falling.com), January 05, 2000.

"No. He has presented his arguments thousands of times. I don't need any further clarifications, redactions, or recantings."

Not on this he hasn't. He has spread his fertilizer about millions and millions will die for a long time, then apparently backs away from it. Everyone sticks up for him, but he isn't man enough to do it for himself.

Pathetic that people follow him as if he were something more than a demeted sociopath.

-- Paul Neuhardt (neuhardt@ultranet.com), January 06, 2000.