I wonder how many people are now going through what the people here are?

Having the people in positions who should have known the truth tell them embeddeds were at risk of destroying their world and endangering their loved ones, having to live and act in that fear for years, to have it so ingrained into their thinking that they now that they can see otherwise, it is causing deep psychological conflicts.

I believe that they are experiencing a similar reaction to the one they experienced when it first hit them that all might be lost. The only difference now is instead of the physical things betraying them by failing, they are reacting to the betrayal of the people they trusted.

They ARE living through TEOTWAWKI. The end of their world of preparing, of living in fear, of distrust in TPTB, a world where family and friends who do not hold their view are enemies, a world of paranoia.

They lost so much in their years of fear and now they have been betrayed by those few they allowed themselves to trust during that time.

The world they have existed in during this time is gone. For them it is TEOTWAWKI.

And some believe that no one has been hurt by the negative spin.

Those who truly believed they were doing the right thing, who were strong enough to ignore those who ridiculed them, those who prepared to the extent they felt necessary, are now having to go through a very conflicting mental and emotional hell.

The world they thought they lived in has turned out not to be real.

The people they put their trust into have turned out to either been wrong themselves or to have knowingly lied to them for their own purposes.

People they believed to be technically expert have turned out to not have known the facts. Look at this forum today, some of the same people (many who became friends) who said it would be bad are now demanding that they still believe the worse even though their own brains are showing them otherwise. People they praised for being honest and thanked for caring enough to "tell them the truth" and those who they believed had their welfare in mind are either silent or pushing them to "hang in there the worse may still happen', instead of comprehending the turmoil they are going through and most important, having the integrity to apologize. If it were true that these people were really concerned about them then an apology would be the natural thing to do. When someone has your best interests in mind and alerts you out concern even if it frightens you, then it would be natural to apologize when they find out they were wrong. A person or an entity (business)with any integrity would wish to alleviate your fear when the base for that fear is proven harmless. If they cared enough to alert you in the first place, they should care enough to remove that fear when they see it is unfounded.

The only reason I can see for the lack of such an apology would be that there was some other reason for installing that fear in the first place. If they wanted you to be in fear so they could manipulate you or get something out of you.

The overwhelming lack of apologies is showing that many of the people and businesses that spouted all of the "bad news' are not in the least sorry.

There are a lot of people who should never have given their opinions and professed to know the facts when the truth is they did not know. There are a lot of people who knew their words would be accepted as fact, that were well aware that they did not have the knowledge to back up their opinions, who didn't care who they hurt in the process, just as long as they, in their greed, made money from doing it.

What is worse than the greed is those who got some kind of sick "kick" out of scaring people,(c4i) that enjoyed playing with people's minds for their own enjoyment, or just for a laugh, to have people lavish praise on them, who enjoyed the attentions so much they embellished the situation just to get attention.

There are those who honestly thought they were telling the truth, they should apologize. If they do not, people will believe them to be one of those who had a different reason for what they said.

There are those who cannot give up the "benefits" (money attention etc.) and are trying to keep the hype going with what appears to be their last breath.

I believe what is most sad is those who are now almost hysterical in their attempts to "prove" that Y2K is as bad as they want it to be by linking every problem in world (literally) has been caused by Y2K.

Now suddenly, comes all of these people who "knew all the time" that it would end up this way. Just a new group of people trying to scam others into believing them. They are as bad as those who knowingly hyped Y2K for their own agenda.

After what has happened with Y2K, I believe it is time that people prove what they say, no one should just accept their words because of where they work, where they went to school or what letters the have after their name or their labels.

Another suggestion is to not blindly allow others to do your thinking for you, accept them telling you who are to believe. When others demand you believe what they say over what others have to say they you should question why they do not want you to judge for yourself, to use your own judgment or to think for yourself.

Had you been "allowed" to hear the words of others who were giving positive information, then you might have evaluated and made different choices then you did. That was a problem, especially on the internet, where the overwhelming information pointed towards the worse case scenario.

Trust, like respect must be earned. Trusting your own judgment, even if you make mistakes, is always the best thing to do.

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), January 04, 2000

Answers

The hush comes over the crowd as they wait for Cherri's reply to Cory!!! Which will come first, the reply or NASA finding the Mars lander?

-- (BillyBlaze@nightshift.com), January 04, 2000.

Yeah, and while you're at it, reply to IEEE Chairman Dale Way's thread where he says the succesful rollover may be misleading.

Day 4 Cherri...don't go anywhere...

-- If y2k is over, why are the pollies still here? (@ .), January 04, 2000.

Cherri: I think that we were all reasonably nice to you when you posted that last dribble under the same thread title, "Y2K". But please take a hint: You really are very ditsy, very confused, and getting close to being very annoying. Perhaps you could be doing something else, like washing your hair?

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), January 04, 2000.

...just exactly who are you talking about? Who is hysterical? Who is looking for attention? As for all your other psycho babble and suggestions, you act like you just learned this and needed to enlighten those with less wisdom then you. Seems to me, you are talking to yourself. Now, try telling us something we didn't know!

-- Vern (bacon17@ibm.net), January 04, 2000.

Cherri,

What are your psychiatric/psychological credentials?

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), January 04, 2000.

Wow, Cherri. When the King of Spain won't get into the mud pit with you, you should buy a clue.

-- JIT (justintime@rightnow.net), January 04, 2000.

Here's Cherri's other thread from January 2nd:

"Y2K"

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002Btr

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), January 04, 2000.

....waiting

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Just as I thought; you're one of those people who have been under psychiatric care for so long, that you delude yourself into believing that you actually comprehend the field. You think you have insight into other people. The fact is you are projecting your neurotic psyche on others so you don't have to deal with your pathetic self.

Very sad.

Rx: Call your doctor NOW for an emergency appointment.

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), January 04, 2000.

The hush comes over the crowd as they wait for Cherri's reply to Cory!!! Which will come first, the reply or NASA finding the Mars lander?

-- (BillyBlaze@nightshift.com), January 04, 2000.

Billy,

Right after I wrote that I would reply to Cory, we discovered my Mother had cancer. Throughout her illness, people were constantly demanding that I write it as I said I would.

By the time she died, on August 23, 1999 I was so sick of hearing about Cory and the reply I said I would write that the idea of writing it made me ill. It still does.

Yeah, and while you're at it, reply to IEEE Chairman Dale Way's thread where he says the succesful rollover may be misleading.

I did.

I have contempt for some of the people who mislead others about Y2K. For those those who are still suckered in, I feel nothing but pity.

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoom.com), January 04, 2000.

"Those who truly believed they were doing the right thing, who were strong enough to ignore those who ridiculed them, those who prepared to the extent they felt necessary, are now having to go through a very conflicting mental and emotional hell."

Excuse me, Cherri, but if you believe this what are you doing here posting ridicule and mocking cartoons? Can you spell hypocrite?

"Trust, like respect must be earned."

You have earned neither. Can you spell t-r-o-l-l?

-- Go Away (andtakeyourlittlefriends@with.you), January 04, 2000.

Ah Cherri,

Thou errant malmsey-nosed canker-blossom!

You shall stifle in your own report, and smell of calumny.

Hast thou or word, or wit, or impudence, that can yet do thee office?

Thou art essentially a natural coward without instinct.

-- william shakespeare (some.of@bills.best), January 04, 2000.

http://www.sonic.net/~kryptox/politics/carton.htm

-- Eye Opener, Headacher (Inever@hadwiththatwoman.com), January 04, 2000.

Oh I see, you did'nt have time to reply to Cory, but you had plenty of time to cut and paste on the forum. For someone who did'nt have time, you sure spent alot of time posting here. LIAR!!!

-- (BillyBlaze@nightshift.com), January 04, 2000.

Cherri; your failure to understand the whole problem is beginning to show. I had such hopes for you, ah, well. Some have the grasp of a general surgeon others only the grasp of a gynocologist?

Are we having fun yet?

-- Michael Erskine (Osiris@urbanna.net), January 04, 2000.

Cherri,...I think your presentation skills leave much to be desired. You begin with a reasonably passionate argument aimed at convincing some people of the errors of their way. Then you turn right around and kick them in the groin by adding the cartoon. Isn't the cartoon thing a little counterproductive? We warned you...the longer you hang around the likes of CPR and LadyLogic, the more disjointed your thinking skills become.

-- TM (mercier7@pdnt.com), January 04, 2000.

Aaaah yes, the source of your problem is becoming very clear to me now darling. No doubt about it, you need to get some, and soon.

-- Sigmund Freud (sexually@frustrated.and.frigid), January 04, 2000.

Wake up Cherri, Y2k is about corrupted DATA. I thought you knew that.

-- W (me@home.now), January 04, 2000.

Further proof that you never know what's inside a box of Crackerjacks. Including a PhD in Psychology. Well done!

-- Gia (laureltree7@hotmail.com), January 05, 2000.

Cherri,

Those of us who aren't "experts" are still adults that can comprehend the english language and be held accountable for their own actions. I don't remember anyone here forcing me to do what they thought I should. They posted info that I could go to and read for myself. If there was something that I didn't understand, well, every heard of a dictionary or an encyclopedia. They come in handy some days. But on the other hand, when I checked out other sites (DeBunkers, for one), I never found much in the way of info to back up what they said (most of the time the folks there simply complained about this site.)

So, in other words, don't feel "sorry" for me.....I made my own decisions and I still think for myself.

me

-- me (me@me.com), January 05, 2000.

Isn't Cherri the one who keeps bragging about her years and years of computer experience? Then how come she can't even handle something as simple as html? I've seen 5 year olds that can design entire websites, but she can't even put an image in without screwing it up! Ditso!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 05, 2000.

Cherri - You made a couple of valid points, but along with that, you have failed in critical understanding. Some people are living in TEOTWAWKI right now, but it is a world of their own making and you and they must realize this.

I'm also sure some people have been hurt by the negative spin, for example, quite a few people probably incurred some substantial debt because of their fear. Once again, this IS NOBODY'S ELSE'S FAULT BUT THEIR OWN.

Anybody who takes anybody elses advice and makes life changing decisions, such as spending money, moving, quitting jobs, whatever, is personally responsible for their own actions. Providing them with a scapegoat to blame their problems on, or their inability to make their own decisions is pointless and WRONG.

You cannot blame those that gave their best guess on the outcome of Y2K as being responsible for the actions of other people. This is an absurd concept. Anyone who did not research Y2K on their own cannot blame anybody but themselves for their own actions.

If their research proved to them that they ought to prepare, and they did and then it "didn't happen" (yet to be seen), so what? It's called personal responsibility and along with that comes accountability. They are accountable only to themselves and the actions they did or did not take.

In other words, I am not responsible if you believe my words or not. Only you are. Heaping the responsibility of others on anyone but the person themselves is worse then absurd.

Millions upon millions of people refused to consider Y2K as a potentially serious event. Are ANY of us responsible for this attitude of theirs? Of course not. The evidence was available for anyone to examine. Some examined, some did not. Bottom line is, we are not responsible for those that did or those that did not. Our ONLY responsibility is to speak the truth as we know it. Period.

It is erroneous thinking to state that we are somehow directly, or indirectly responsible for the actions or inactions of other people. People are responsible only to themselves, period, end of story.

Our society is replete with example after example of people who refuse to accept personal responsibility to THEMSELVES. They want to blame anyone and everyone ELSE for their problems. They had a bad childhood, their daddy spanked them, they ate too many Twinkies, they lived in the ghetto, whatever. This is all an attempt to face the simple fact that people are responsible for themselves and cannot blame anybody else for what happens to them.

Furthermore, it's is STILL too early to ask or expect an apology of those you suppose are "wrong". The lack of apologies that you have noticed is because the most of us don't owe anyone an apology. Since I have exceedingly little direct influence over anyone other then my immediate family, the only people I "owe" an apology to is them and they alone.

Publishing my opinions on a forum, newsletter, book, on television or the radio doesn't somehow magically make me responsible for anybody else. The same reasoning used above still applies here.

EVENTUALLY, if there are those who feel remorseful or guilty for airing their opinions on Y2K may choose to apologize, however, they are under no obligation to do so.

You make the claim that those who spoke up about Y2K "didn't know the facts". I beg to disagree, the facts were available to anyone who cared to research it on BOTH sides of the coin. If they failed to research it and "took someone's word by placing their trust in them", that is their own fault. NOBODY was appointed GURU with ALL KNOWLEDGE on Y2K. Some had credentials, but once again, do you trust everyone just because of their credentials, or do you research it out for your own self?

Asking for people to "prove what they say" is a much YOUR responsibility as theirs. "Proof" can be highly misleading in any case by those who bring the message. You are still responsible for verifying on your own if what they say is true, accurate, complete and factual.

I learned a long time ago that credentials and experience can add up to a lot, but without integrity it doesn't mean a hell of a lot.

-- Truth (Revelations16@hotmail.com), January 05, 2000.

Cherri, In my opinion, you go on the attack while trying desperately to keep the attention with sympathy. In a twisted way, you convince yourself that you must know what others are thinking, simply by their responses here.

Having any type of degree doesn't compensate for common sense. Neither does a degree guarantee anything about the person who attainted it.

Having said that, if people chose to 'follow' someone elses advice, well I have news for you. Its happened from the beginning of time, and will continue to happen. Trying to make someone feel inadequate for something they believe in won't get you anywhere. If some of those same people now feel betrayed, there are other reasons beyond your knowledge that play into it. There are circumstances you can't begin to guess at, or try to understand, especially with your very limited viewpoint on humans in general.

Your statement about people believing they are living in teotwatki (as 'they' know it) simply because they feel they have been lied to is really stretching things. Life is one long session of learning. Hard experience counts for more than anything, and if this situation makes some sit back and wonder about themselves, it will only be one time in many that this happens.

Your statements on 'proof' are ridiculous. On one of your pre- rollover posts, you stated an issue about embeddeds, but it was speculation.. I saw no evidence of 'proof'. Yet we are to take your word for it.... because...... ?

If Nostradamus was alive, would you ask for an apology because some of his predictions were wrong?

Should we seek an apology from the National Weather Center because they evacuated a few million people from Florida, when they didn't have 'proof' that Floyd would hit?

Very few things in life are concrete. Living is the only way to learn. People are resilient, and they will take what they have experienced and apply it to their life. If things are hard for awhile, as in acceptance that the situation didn't play out as 'someone' else predicted, it can be taken as a lesson in life.

Here is something that I read once.

There are three kinds of people. Those who make things happen, Those who watch things happen, And those who wonder what happened.

Danielle

-- Danielle (DanielleJh@aol.com), January 05, 2000.