My father is an engineer for Baltimore, Gas and Electric Co. He was contacted by emergency personnel thirty minutes ago and was dispatched (he and his crew) to report there for the next three months to repair MAJOR problems related to Y2K. He said that they did not say if there were radioactive failures or not. He is very pissed off to say the least. I will report what I learn from him as it happens.

-- Bill Naismith (bnaismith@prodigy.net), January 03, 2000

Answers

Jim,

Alas, it's not possible for the sysops to do something like keeping this thread at the top of the list. I suggest that you bookmark the thread (as I just did) so that you can check on it periodically. Of the dozens, even hundreds, of threads that get started each day, there are typically half a dozen that I continue to track for at least a few days, in order to see what kind of additional information might get posted. I've set aside a folder within my bookmarks file labeled "Y2K Forum threads", which makes it easier to manage...

Ed

-- Ed Yourdon (ed@yourdon.com), January 03, 2000.

Where is Calvert Cliffs? I have never heard of it. Thank you.

-- Dee (T1Colt556@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

Please keep us updated.

-- aware (prayforpeace@home.com), January 03, 2000.

Bill, Please keep us updated. The NRC report of 1/3/2000 shows Calvert Cliffs Units 1 and 2 operating at 100%. That seems to be inconsistent with major problems, so there is further investigation to be done on this.

http://www.nrc.gov/NRR/DAILY/psr.htm

-- Puddintame (achillesg@hotmail.com), January 03, 2000.

Here's a link to a past news story about past worker irradiation by this same company:

http://www.energyonline.com/Restructuring/news_reports/news_archive/08 13nuk.html

-- Mikefr (mikefr@cs.misw.com), January 03, 2000.

Headquarters Daily Report NRC OPERATIONS CENTER PLANT STATUS REPORT FOR 01/03/2000 UNEVALUATED INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE FACILITY

REG PLANT NAME %PWR DOWN REASON OR COMMENT * # --- ------------------------ ---- -------- --------------------------- ----- - - 1 BEAVER VALLEY 1 100 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- 1 BEAVER VALLEY 2 53 Power Operation * INCREASING POWER ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- 1 CALVERT CLIFFS 1 100 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- 1 CALVERT CLIFFS 2 100

End NRC paste. Note: Th NRC footnote says data transmitted between 4:00 am and 8:00 am each day.

-- Rupracht (achillesg@hotmail.com), January 03, 2000.

Thank you Bill.

Don't you people remember? The military specifically said that they would cover up or misdirect all possible failures. The .gov said the very same thing.

I'll keep an objective position but I appreciate the firsthand report...this may be the ONLY way we get real information.

Mike

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-- Mike Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

I need to change that cookie. Rupracht and Puddintame are the same clueless individual, namely, me.

-- Puddintame (achillesg@hotmail.com), January 03, 2000.

Calvert Cliffs is in Calvert County, Maryland. My understanding was that the plant is up and running....he said that there are many other scenarios that may be in place besides not being "up and running". These scenarios (he wasn't specific) can cause major failures if not fixed promptly. He did reiterate that they were Y2K related. That is all I have for now.

-- Bill Naismith (bnaismith@prodigy.net), January 03, 2000.

Bill, I'm upwind of that puppy! Please keep us posted. I have a call in for hubby's BG&E contact.

-- Charli (claypool@belatlantic.net), January 03, 2000.

Thanks so much, Bill & others. Please DO pass on anything you learn about the Calvert Cliffs nuke, which is operated by the Baltimore Gas & Electric Co. (major Maryland utility) I, too, live in MD.

Mignon

-- Mignon Cameron (MABCam@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

Lying for the sheeples sake of course!!

Lest you forget!!

-- d......... (dciinc@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

thanks for the info bill.. we appreciate it. please let us know how things are going as soon as you can.

-- bliss (watching.&.waiting@pleasantville.com), January 03, 2000.

I don't know how accurate the info on that NRC website is. First, it says this is unverified info from the plant at the top (If the list was around when 3mile island happened, who wants to bet the list would have said "100% No problems" on it?). Next, there are entries in there for defueled plants that look like they are dated '97. There's no info those defueled plants are closed, so why are they not back up since '97?

-- James Collins (jacollins@thegrid.net), January 03, 2000.

This sure looks important, at this point. Any way to keep it at the top of the listing of titles here?

-- Jim Young (jyoung@famid.com), January 03, 2000.

At the botton of the NRC website, they state that status is reported between 4 A.M. and 8 A.M. EST.

-- Lee Chesson (lchesson@bigfoot.com), January 03, 2000.

Why aren't they all listed? I can't find Shearon Harris on the list, and there was a small blip in an article about it being shut down, but of course, no other info:

****SNIP**** "Y2K problems also shut down a nuclear power plant in North Carolina, according to a report by ABC News. Details of the problem were not revealed, but there is no safety threat, officials said.

At Y2K command centers all over the east coast, IT staffers were busily checking their systems but reported no glitches. "

******END SNIP*****

Link to the above story: LINK

There has been no official word on this issue from local "media" or on the NRC website.

-- Mr. Kennedy (MrK@home.today), January 03, 2000.

Also interesting to note the "Event Reports"now only list events of 12/22 to 12/23.Yesterday they were current to 1/2/00.

-- Dragnet (just@the.facts), January 03, 2000.

Thank you, Ed Y. I'm holding it in Favorites. By the way, regardless of outcomes, you have my unqualified support, and always will. Thank you for your dogged, indefatigable work in this area.

- Jim Young (only a humble clerical, sharing an apt. with one wife, three cats, 120 plastic gallons of bottled water, boxes stacked and crammed with rice, nuts, weird soups, etc. etc. Happy New Year, Ed & Family!

-- Jim Young (jyoung@famvid.com), January 03, 2000.

Mike Taylor says:

"Don't you people remember? The military specifically said that they would cover up or misdirect all possible failures. The .gov said the very same thing."

Do you have a link corroborating this?

-- cin (cinlooo@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

James-
The defueled plants are, I am assuming, the DC Cook plant in Bridgman, MI. This plant had been cited for tons of violations in the past and had been shut down. I heard they were now buying power from VA or somewhere. My best friend, who lives within 10 miles of the plant, received instructions OUT OF THE BLUE on how to evacuate "in case" of a meltdown. That was the first time she had ever received such a thing. These "instructions" arrived at her doorstep about a week before New Years or so. They also have ANOTHER nukle facility about 30 min north of Cook--Palisades in Covert, MI. This facility has never been known to be very "together" either. Quite frankly, since I grew up smack between the two plants, I am surprised that I don't glow green and have 3 eyes...

-- Jess (alisaunde@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

To all on this message board,

I am a Public Information Rep at Calvert Cliffs Nuclear Power Plant and I promise you that we are not experiencing any problems related, or unrelated to Y2K. The NRC webpage is correct in that we are operating both units at 100 percent power. We did downpower over the weekend because of low customer demand - but again, it was not due to any problem here at the Cliffs.

Bill - have your father call me at the Cliffs. I'm in the company phone book. Thanks all and have a great New Year.

-- Angela (angela.m.walters@bge.com), January 03, 2000.

Bill, She's going to tell your father to keep quiet. Who called Calvert Cliffs??

-- Charli (claypool@belatlantic.net), January 03, 2000.

...sorry angela, but better try better than that.

In today's current atmosphere, with the smell of distrust and cover- ups polluting the fresh air of honesty and accountability we are suffocating for, PR types are not exactly the open windows we are looking for.

... and why do you want bill's dad to call you? Up the ante and put THAT (your reasons)on the page!

-- mike mercado (michaelmercado@hotmail.com), January 03, 2000.

Angela, Thank you for that prompt response and thanks to whoever called the company for the inquiry.

-- Puddintame (achillesg@hotmail.com), January 03, 2000.

Not me. But shame on whoever did, if they pointed here or to Mr. Naismith. Bill, your father is a brave man, strength to him & you.

-- Jim Young (jyoung@famvid.com), January 03, 2000.

Angela...how about you posting your work phone number so I can verify your Ident. Also how about a public notice (with link of course) stating the above position, because right now you have many interested spectators and probably a film crew in route.

-- nowplease (cantbelivethe lies@fromyou.com), January 03, 2000.

Puddintane, Why are you so quick to swallow corporate b.s.?

-- Charli (claypool@belatlantic.net), January 03, 2000.

I assume, Charli, you also think that she's going to order all parties involved to be shot and possibly spirited away in black helicopters? Sorry for the grousing on this point, but I should note that regardless of what has been said, the prevailing assumption here has been than one side of the story can be accepted without any verification while the other can be dismissed out of hand. I freely admit to being concerned over this story, and would certainly like to know more. This said, I can already sense the conspiracy theory buildup around this whole thing. I am content to wait for more information from Bill -- that is, if you accept that he'll post again and not some government agent plant who's pretending to be him. ;-)

-- Ned Raggett (ned@kuci.org), January 03, 2000.

Bill, I hope your dad doesn't get into any trouble over this. Who the hell alerted them??? Hmmm...I wonder...guess our little board is being monitored a lot closer than we thought. Hope none of us gets bumped off by TPTB for being on this "subversive" forum...yikes!

-- Jess (alisaunde@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

Well ladies and Gentlemen.

It would appear that a unique sourse of information has just been nutralized. I wonder if the kid told his Dad that he was to call his work? Wonder just how secure that jobs is / was?

Oh well,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Shakey~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-- Shakey (in_a_bunker@forty.feet), January 03, 2000.

...puddintame

Surely you cannot be so easily pacified?

Don't you realize just how BIG this game is?

...for a game it is with the corp. types. You have to realize the phenomenal stakes at hand; people's lives for example.

Don't you remember last year's debacle in Japan with the radiation leak? How many will suffer in the future from cancers, etc. because the Gatekeepers refused to admit it was an incident? Don't you recall how LONG it took for the appropriate measures to be instituted?

The length of indiscretion displayed in Japan can be so easily displayed here. This isn't Disneyland or a video game with a reset button.

-- mike mercado (michaelmercado@hotmail.com), January 03, 2000.

Anybody in Calvert Co. got a scanner? Here are the BGE freqs. I'm listening here in Anne Arundel but don't know if I'll pick up any info. from Calvert:

Utilities

151.895 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 153.440 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 153.575 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 153.605 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 153.665 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 220.9275 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 220.9425 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 220.9525 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 221.9275 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 221.9425 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 221.9525 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 220.8675 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 220.8725 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 220.8775 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 220.8825 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 220.8875 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 221.8675 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 221.8725 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 221.8775 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 221.8825 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 221.8875 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 852.3375 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 852.8875 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company 853.7625 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 855.1875 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 855.3625 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 855.4125 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 855.6125 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 855.6375 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 856.2875 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 856.8875 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 857.2875 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 857.8875 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 858.2875 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 858.8875 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 859.2875 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 859.8875 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 860.2875 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 860.8875 - Baltimore Gas & Electric Company - Trunked 463.725 - Cable TV Fund 14 A Ltd. 153.680 - Southern Maryland Electric Cooperative 158.145 - Southern Maryland Electric Cooperative 158.220 - Southern Maryland Electric Cooperative

-- Charli (claypool@belatlantic.net), January 03, 2000.

You shouldn't assume, Ned, because it makes an ass of u & me

-- Charli (claypool@belatlantic.net), January 03, 2000.

Shakey, you said,

"It would appear that a unique sourse of information has just been nutralized."

Interesting.......we don't know anything about the validity of the initial post, nor know whether 'Angela' is who she says she is. Do we?

-- (4@5.6), January 03, 2000.

Maybe she wants Bill's dad to call her so SHE can find out what is happening...! Its really sad that we all have this total distrust of our gov't and the large corporations, nuke plants, etc. But on the other hand....they have earned it the old fashioned way. They have lied and cheated all along. Taz

-- Taz (Tassi123@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

There are no Naismith's listed in the MD online white pages so its probably a fake name which means his dad won't get in trouble... assuming Angela is for real and this story is for real.

-- SHOCHWAVE (VISSION441@AOL.COM), January 03, 2000.

This is way too weird. If the subject of this thread is true, why on Earth would this Angela person leave a personal note to the kid on here? Why not just contact the father directly? If you were a P.R. rep for BGE would you trust some kid to have his father call her so that the kid can get in trouble?

The whole thing is stupid. Let's just wait and see what shakes out.

-- CD (cdokeefe@firstva.com), January 03, 2000.

If you want to join with me, Charli, that's your call. But I fear that would be rude. ;-)

As it is, the last couple of posts are making me wonder some more. The whole thing really could just be a prank, and stupider *has* happened. If it is one, it'll be massively successful in the sense that some will remain convinced that there was a problem, there is a cover-up, etc. precisely because nothing was at the bottom of it, just vague reports that have been 'silenced.' I could see somebody doing that for kicks, and not taking into account the fact that others could indeed be honestly scared as a result. This may seem an obvious point, but I wouldn't discount it.

As for the phone book deal, hell, maybe he's unlisted. ;-)

-- Ned Raggett (ned@kuci.org), January 03, 2000.

From http://www.bge.com:

How to Contact Us

If you need to report a gas leak, down or sparking wires, or power outage, please call our Customer Service Line for immediate attention, at (410) 685-0123 OR (800) 685-0123 outside the Baltimore metropolitan area.

Residential customers:
For non-emergency questions or comments regarding your residential gas or electric service, conservation, or any energy-related issue, please contact our Customer Relations department at MYHOMEREP@BGE.COM or call (410) 685-0123 OR (800) 685-0123 outside the Baltimore metropolitan area.

To pay your bill Business customers: If you are a business owner or operator and have questions about your gas or electric service, conservation, or any energy-related issue, please contact our commercial customer specialists at MYBIZREP@BGE.COM or call the BGE Business eXpress Line at (410) 265-4100 or (800) 265-6177.

News media: Members of the news media can reach our Public Information department at MEDIAREP@BGE.COM, or call (410) 234-7433. For any other questions or comments please submit a message to our Corporate Communications department at corporate.communications@bge.com. For comments on the content of our web site, fill out our feedback form.

karen

-- karen (karen@karen.karen), January 03, 2000.

The BG&E website lists Angela as a PR rep.

http://www.bge.com/newsinfo/contacts.htm

-- Jason Bergener (jbergener@yahoo.com), January 03, 2000.

So, if this is a prank, why would the Company even respond here? Is the above a true Company response?

-- Jim Young (jyoung@famvid.com), January 03, 2000.

C'mon guys, most of the *pranks* that we have already seen have been pretty easy to ferret out. I don't think this Angela would go to all the trouble to post if they were not genuinely nervous about something.

-- Jess (alisaunde@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

f Angela is listed, email her or call and ask her if she posted...duhhh

-- Jess (alisaunde@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

You're correct, Jess, about nervousness, but it could easily be a nervousness about rumors flying around that the plant is in for a doozy when, perhaps, nothing is the matter. Naturally they'd want to get that addressed if such was the case. Again, a possibility, not *the* possibility, but just another.

As for phone calls or e-mailing her, well, has anyone stepped up and done that yet?

-- Ned Raggett (ned@kuci.org), January 03, 2000.

In all fairness, you are right, it could be the other way around. Buy do you blame folks for being paranoid??? Better to err on the side of caution...

-- Jess (alisaunde@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

Excuse me, I meant 'but' not 'buy'...

-- Jess (alisaunde@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

This may be me, but while I don't blame anyone for their paranoia, I have to humbly note that it can easily be ratcheted up to levels that make no sense. I think we've seen enough examples of that here over the past few days, naming no names. I'm not discounting this whole story out of hand, but if I assumed the worst here and in everything else everywhere else on a constant level, frankly I wouldn't have left the house for the past twenty-eight years of my life. I draw a line between straightforward skepticism and unbridled, unattributed conviction that 'they' are out there doing things, Y2K or not.

-- Ned Raggett (ned@kuci.org), January 03, 2000.

*sigh*
Ned, let me tell you a few things about cover ups.
They HAVE occured and DO occur. You never hear of big honchos of computer companies getting busted for drug trafficking, do you? Yet, IT has happened and people have SEEN these things...I am not going to name any anames, but this is just an example.
Many people have seen very disturbing things happen that are hushed up by TPTB, and I am not just referring to this Y2K thing. People who are normally NOT inclined to paranoia. How do you explain that?

-- Jess (alisaunde@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

Hey Bill, How about checking in?

-- Charli (claypool@belatlantic.net), January 03, 2000.

Anyone wanting more info on recent power plant events can do a seach "Daily Events Report". You should be the NRC's web site to same. Interesting reading. I'm not very computer literate so I don't know the shortcuts to getting there. Trish

-- trish (adler2@webtv.net), January 03, 2000.

First of all, how easy is it to go to the company website, pick a name and simply post here under that assumed identity?

This PR rep would contact her own supervisors first and find out who "Bill's father" is. Then action would be taken from there and handled that way.

Do you really think "Angela" would ask for Bill's father to contact her through Bill... over a web page?

Some are assuming that Bill is a kid. Judging by the initial and follow up post I doubt it.

I'm gonna wait before drawing any purposeful conclusions. Especially given the fact that so far the only "debunking" is from someone in PR.

Give me a break. I know how it works because I've worked in PR. Don't rest easy until the head of BG&E decides he needs to come here and put this to rest.

Mike

==============================================================

-- Mike Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

Here we go AGAIN. Don't you think rumors and non-verified info has made enough of us fools in the past? Where is c4i by the way?

Many long time forum users are recovering from the shock of their lives (non)event, and trying to pick up the pieces of where they went wrong. Do you really think you are doing a service to them?

This he said/she said crap is getting old. Why don't you bookmark the thread as Ed said, and come back HOPEFULLY for some documentation. Getting tired of the boogeyman around the corner ... gubmit spiracy...their HIDING the truth shit. Some of you need to get a life. If this is your highlight of the day, how pathetic it must be.

Trash me - flame - wuttever. Kid gloves are off from now on for me. Gonna nail a spade a spade. Might save some future gullible newbie alot of trouble.

-- farf (madeupguy@hotmail.com), January 03, 2000.

No need to take a lecturing tone, Jess, we're all adults here. At least the ones not slinging mud at each other for no reason. ;-)

Hasn't a key mantra for this whole thing always been 'trust but verify'? If someone has told you something along those lines but there's no way to refer to the exact situation, then while I don't doubt your credibility, I can't measure at all that of the story in any reasonable way. Heck, my dad was a longtime Navy man, served in the submarine force on a variety of missions that only ever came to public light, even indirectly, with the publication of the _Blind Man's Bluff_ book recently, and even that didn't detail everything. There's lots of stuff out there not talked about -- you don't have to convince me of that. But having dealt with any number of people over time who are frankly off the deep end, who accept only the most torturous, negative and fear-based explanation to a potential situation or problem, I have to also say that not everything darkly hinted about pans out. One must approach everything with an open mind and allow for/consider the various possibilities, otherwise the danger is that the facts are twisted to fit the interpretation, rather than vice versa. I don't see shadows around every corner, just as I don't see light and happiness there either.

-- Ned Raggett (ned@kuci.org), January 03, 2000.

http://www.nrc.gov/NRR/DAILY/der.htm

nothing there.

-- Jim Young (jyoung@famvid.com), January 03, 2000.

We shall see.

It is possible "both" are correct: the plant can remain operational while "coding" goes on on a different (or off-line" system) from that version in service. (For example - a training or simulation module that is not connected to the main operational unit(s)) However, for accurate training (in this year, the training module may need be updated - thus a programmer or technician crew is called back in the "rebuild" the same time-sensitive modules in the trainer that were (used to be pre-remediation) in the real plant.

Also: there is a tremendous amouint of work required before a "shutdown and repair period" that must be done: it is very likely that there will be a repair which requires prestaging parts, suplies, staging material, tools, and work procedures - plus new equipment or parts that need be replaced. During this FUTURE shutdown period, other changes to software or hardware related to y2k may need be replaced for non-y2k reasons. (A vender removed certification of a part previously thought okay, or a previously certified part requiring nuclear certs was found to require replacement.)

Do not assume (at this point) there are black & white, truth and lies out there in a breaking story being told to us by an uninformed and techincally incompetent mass media press corps.

Or a single, unvalidated company PR person either. Note too that "Angela" did not follow up with any other data. If she were diligent in her duties, she could quickly establish the source of the "rumor" and what crews are scheduled for what periods of time in the next few days.

Or from a "personal experience" from an unknow internet user.

---...---...

To answer the remaining questions about the thread itself:

Each new response brings a thread up to the top of the list, usually - the index of newly answered threads is updated every fifteen minutes or so.

-- Robert A Cook, PE (Marietta, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), January 03, 2000.

I sent Bill an e-mail. It was returned with a statement that the address had a "permanent fatal error".

dave

-- dave (wootendave@hotmail.com), January 03, 2000.

Dave, I live in Baltimore, MD. I emailed Bill also and got the same error message, it was returned "user unknown".

-- Toni Stewart (tonistewart@hotmail.com), January 03, 2000.

Please. Think, guys.

If you'd just dropped a bomb like this, and it were real, would you use your real email address? So that your father could get fired?

I mean, hey, if you can get an email through, then BGE could look up the addy real quick.

The only way you can check this out is to call Angela and ask her a question like, "Did you post a response on the Yourdon forum yesterday?" (It will be tomorrow before you can call her) Don't provide her with the content. Don't ask if they're having trouble. Just ask if she posted.

If she says, "Huh?" you know the BGE post was a fake. If she says, "Yes, I did," then you know it wasn't. If she beats around the bush (What forum? What is the forum about?) then she probably doesn't know anything, but it's not conclusive.

-- (4@5.6), January 03, 2000.

and don't mention Y2K

-- (4@5.6), January 03, 2000.

The post from "Angela" at BGE as legit. One of the perks as a Sysop is to check out that kind of stuff. It is coming from "bge".

The real question is who is being 100% truthful. In a situation such as this the "handling" of information, as Robert and others suggest, is critical.

I'd like to hear more from Bill... sooner rather than later.

Mike aka Stealth

=================================================================

-- Mike Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

So...what about the post from Karen (karen@karen.karen)? Was that also a bona fide Company response?

-- Jim Young (jyoung@famvid.com), January 03, 2000.

Just logged on and read all of the responses. First of all, I didn't use my real email address because I do not like giving that out. Secondly, we live in Virginia and few of us (not me) are listed in the phone book (privacy ya know?) Thirdly, my dad was contacted by someone later this afternoon (not this Angela person) from the company who got wind of my posts and he was not reprimanded.....but told politely not to share anything company related with me or anyone else in the family related to emergency situations. Needless to say, I am on his shit list right now. Thanks....

-- Bill Naismith (bnaismith@prodigy.net), January 03, 2000.

So, Bill, where do we go from here. Does this situation merit further attention or can it just be dropped? My e-mail address is real.

-- Puddintame (achillesg@hotmail.com), January 03, 2000.

I will eat my shirt if the NRC does not monitor this site daily and read the posts. No one will post anything here that they don't learn about. It wouldn't surprise me if they've even latched on to Rick's email.

At the www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm site, the guy who runs that site has software that tells him the address of everyone who visits. He has a list of 165 government agencies that frequent his site: everything from the Pentagon to the Mayo Clinic; many of them repeatedly. The list is nothing short of amazing. And that site is about "Chem-trails". Even Secretary of Defense Cohen has been there!

Considering how our government and the main media are going out of their way to be "overly positive" and down right secretive about the power situation in this country, do you think for a moment they do not monitor this site?

-- meg davis (meg9999@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

If I was Angela's boss - and she is a real, live, PR person for BGE, I'd fire her bu** tomorrow morning. Company information and official press releases are NOT initially distributed via a forum.

-- mom (mom@mom.com), January 03, 2000.

Amazing to me ... How did this discussion go from a serious Y2K threat/coverup; to firing some PR woman named Angela?

-- (Nick@hotmail.com), January 03, 2000.

Whether Bill is legit or not, it doesn't really matter a whole lot until it starts disrupting lives (i.e. - power outages, billing hassles, etc.). And if it does cause those kind of disruptions, we'll find out soon enough - whether that means days or weeks. This discussion is all well and good, but does it ultimately change the way any of us lives? Not for me. If there are major problems caused by this plant, I would think it will be difficult to keep it out of the news.

Thanks, Bill, for writing back. Hope you and your father will be okay. And if your father IS working on a major problem, good luck to him.

-EricE

-- EricE (ready@four.anything), January 03, 2000.

Bill - thanks for keeping us posted. This is really serious stuff.

I'm curious though: If you're not using your real name, how/why did the company contact your father - and why did he say something to you? How did he know you had anything to do with this forum?

-- (Nick@hotmail.com), January 03, 2000.

I want to know how Calvert Cliffs got inserted into this equation. Did that come from Bill? The reason I ask is that I e-mailed Angela (Calvert Cliffs Public Information Rep) at the BGE domain and got a reply from her, so I'm convinced she's who she says she is. This kind of stuff can get out of hand without proper verification of facts.

-- John Cauthen (johnr@cetlink.net), January 03, 2000.

Nick, Bill said only that his email address was fictitious, implying that his name was real.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), January 03, 2000.

Dave - you're right. Bill - please weigh in with what you have. And please keep us posted with what you learn from your father.

I just fear too much 'conspiracy theory' stuff here and not enough verification. I too e:mailed Angela, and she responded - asking if I had any other questions concerning 'the erroneous information' appearing on this message board.

I didn't reply to her. I'm waiting for more information to appear here before I do. I'm thinking she didn't weigh in today because she said all she needs/has to say.

I'm more concerned about Bill, and his father's call to report to the nuclear plant for an emergency, and then the call he received to 'keep quiet'.

Think about what happened in Japan recently. The media picked up the story from satelite transmissions of too much heat in the area, and sudden evacuations in the area. That's not happening in So. Md. to my knowledge and I'm a CNN junkie.

-- (Nick@hotmail.com), January 03, 2000.

I have to agree with Mom, here. If--and I'm still retaining some healthy skepticism that this is a miscommunication, hoax, whatever--if Angela really did post the message above, it has to fall into the bonehead play of the year category. That she posted informally and hastily to a public forum, denying problems, only gave the kid's story some credence. If she had truly wanted the matter to go away, the best thing to have done would have been to sit on her typing fingers, and handle the problem quietly in house.

Instead, she comes off like Alexander Haig after Reagan was shot, "I'm in charge!"

Ay carumba!

Claudia

-- CD (cdokeefe@firstva.com), January 03, 2000.

Much discussion - but no further information......

Nice to hear from a fellow "Blind's Man Bluff" veteren (-1 sp). Thank you Ned.

-- Robert A Cook, PE (Marietta, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), January 04, 2000.

Yer welcome, Robert. Growing up with a dad in the submarine force was pretty interesting. There's a _Captain Kangaroo_ episode with me at the age of 11 doing a 'look what kids like you are doing!' type segment with my sister and I visiting the _Pollack_, which my dad commanded at the time. The only problem was that we both looked a bit bored since we had seen the sub about eight million times before! ;-)

In the meantime, you're right, no more information. HM. *shrug*

-- Ned Raggett (ned@kuci.org), January 04, 2000.

Okay, everybody, hands up and up against the wall. Bill, get your hands out of your pants. Listen everyone: We're going to say this once and for all:

We know who you are and we know your addresses. Stop spreading fear regardless of truth. The panic and pain you will cause by fear is greater than the pain and panic this one little core meltdown is causing. For Pete's sake, a little glow in the dark never hurt anyone that could live to tell about it. Now go on to the next subject and let's let the PR Department mop this one up.

You think we're kidding?

-- Men N Black (MenNBlack@aol.com), January 04, 2000.

>My father is an engineer for Baltimore, Gas and Electric Co. He was contacted by emergency personnel thirty minutes ago and was dispatched (he and his crew) to report there for the next three months to repair MAJOR problems related to Y2K.<

Isn't 3 MONTHS a tad long for an E job, even in a nuke? How would you know that time frame in advance?

Most E jobs that I worked, non nuke, were ASAP and no time limits involved, most lasted 3-5 hours, the longest ever was 8 days following a major fire in the unit.

What say you Mr. Cook? Is this (ab)normal or SOP?

S.O.B.

-- sweetolebob (buffgun@hotmail.com), January 04, 2000.

Does anyone know why the NRC Daily Events site has nothing posted later than 12/29-12/30? I have been following this site for most of this year and being that far behind seems most unusual.....

-- nancy (nallen@acadia.net), January 04, 2000.

That, Sir Bob, is why I suspect - but have nothing to go on but assumptions - it is a "pre-planning" or preparation planning and setup (or re-programming before implementation) process involving or requiring a later scheduled maintenance period.

That is: "Hurry up and get everything done NOW before the (actual) work starts in mid-March." But as stated, this is an assumption with no confirmation from Mr. Naismith or his father.

And nothing else from our supposed PR rep either to indicate whether a planned shutdown is cheduled for March or early April.

-- Robert A Cook, PE (Marietta, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), January 04, 2000.

angela,if thats your real name.when I hit that switch by my bedroom door my lights went out ,have I been Y2Ked,why won,t my socks stay up, Is elvis still alive.I am tired of your coverups.sorry for my typing,I am in a union yuknow! god I am really bored,goodnight

-- Fred Parks (Eaglebeak2 @erols.com), January 04, 2000.