Per Cory Hamasaki - "sites across the country are losing data".

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Yoo Hoo, Kosky??? Where are you? Still looking for the embeddeds to fail? You dummy. I told you it was the big honking systems.

Kosky suckered everyone into thinking that the risk was the power going out, planes falling, microwave ovens and VCRs blowing up.

Then he fogged the Polly brain into thinking that power, embeddeds, planes, microwave ovens was the Y2K activist ( realist ) concern.

The real problem are the big monster systems. This thread could not have happened if "everyone completed their remediation by December 1998, leaving a full year for testing." Someone would have caught this in testing.

They didn't.

They didn't because the tests were not done rigorously enough.

Maybe we'll be lucky, maybe not. I am hoping for the best but I bought more supplies today.

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On Thu, 1 Jan 1970 02:59:59, Edward wrote:

Mark wrote:

Bruce wrote:

... We don't see this as a big impact problem.

Either do we.

Since this problem involves data loss, IBM is taking it *very* seriously. We received an emergency telephone call today ( Saturday, Jan. 1st ) from IBM warning us that "sites across the country are losing data" and urging us to check the APAR to see if we're affected. They also took the name of the PSI support person they spoke with for their records as proof they verbally warned us!

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| Edward E. Jaffe | Voice: ( 310 ) 338-0400 x318 | | Mgr., Research & Development | Fax: ( 310 ) 338-0801 | | Phoenix Software International | edjaffe@phoenixsoftware.com | | 5200 W. Century Blvd., Suite 800 | USS24J24 at IBMMAIL | | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | ++++++++++

Read it Pollies, "sites across the country are losing data".

Ed is a cool, knowledgeable guy, I've read his stuff for years. Note his words above.

Note too that IBM's hands are clean, no blood on their hands. They're taking names.

cory hamasaki

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 03, 2000

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-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), January 03, 2000.

It's too early to tell, but the storm clouds appears to be gathering momentum, and now more serious glitches are starting to appear. It sounds like the system is slowly falling apart within. This humpty couldn't stay put together for very long.

-- Brent Nichols (b-nichol@ihug.co.nz), January 03, 2000.

Well, Andy, I guess someone had to pick up the slack for "a".

Also liked this response on that thread at bit.listserv.ibm-main:

"Now that I'm back home after being called onsite since IBM notified us of this problem (around 2100 PST, I was called in approx 2200) . We checked our catalogs and GDS's and we don't do this.

I have a question.

What possible useful reason is there to "allocate a disk dataset with a never expire EXPDT within a GDG base using the SCRATCH option" ? And did they draw and quarter the %$&^%*& who did this and lost data? "

Keep up the "skeer", Andy. It's getting more pathetic by the minute.

-- Hoffmeister (hoff_meister@my-deja.com), January 03, 2000.


Hmm, IIRC, one set of problems causes data loss, and another set of problems causes backup tapes to be erased?

That could put a crimp in someone's day, no?

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 03, 2000.


Hey Hoffy this is not a game to score points.

This is a valid post from Cory hence up it goes on this forum.

Fell free to debunk it.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 03, 2000.



I went to this web site and couldn't find anything of interest. Can you be a little more specific with directions? Taz

-- Taz (Tassi123@aol.com), January 03, 2000.

Andy, nothing to debunk. As far as I know, Y2k didn't repeal the cluelessness of people, even programmers.

Be my guest, and join the technophobes pointing to every computer error and chanting "oh no, it's starting".

Most people with a modicum of understanding realize there are going to be errors and problems. Kinda what we get paid to deal with, now isn't it?

-- Hoffmeister (hoff_meister@my-deja.com), January 03, 2000.


Most people with a modicum of inteligence recognize there are going to be errors....

Then what in blazes was the "ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS" at rollover all about? HOW did we manage to get there without ANY problems? SOMEWHERE ONE OF US is lying

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), January 03, 2000.


OK, just my opinion, Chuck.

But one of the main disconnects all along has been the extrapolation of IT errors and problems to their effects.

No doubt, errors occurred over rollover. But seriously, who cares? The effects were nil. Nothing. When the average Joe thinks of "Y2k failures", he isn't worried about some batch job abending, or TCP/IP hosing up. He doesn't care, because people are there to fix things. It's their job.

It's not a coverup. It's what goes on everyday, in IT, in engineering, just about everywhere. Things break. Errors occur. And they're dealt with.

-- Hoffmeister (hoff_meister@my-deja.com), January 03, 2000.


Off?

-- Hoffmeister (hoff_meister@my-deja.com), January 03, 2000.


Yes, Hoffy, but some of us "average Joes" are worried about what might (notice I'm still using "might" rather than "would have", too early to do otherwise) happen if TOO MUCH of what happens every day occurred ALL AT ONCE. As in, 6 month worth of "typical IT problems" in the span of, say, three days.

Get the picture? (Probably not.)

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), January 03, 2000.

I think Hoff is right to the extent that it seems a little early to be getting whacked out over the problems. Many thanks to those collecting and posting data without extrapolating into the unforseeable future.

-- Dave (aaa@aaa.com), January 03, 2000.

Cory also wrote at that thread (csy2k), Jan2/00:

...By the way, here's a piece from the geekvine that you won't see in the Worshington Post (and if you ask later, I'll deny it). One of the major systems that supports Kosky's Y2K Center for Excellence (or whatever that bit of idiocy is called.) took a Y2K hit and was down from midnight to 4:00 AM, Jan 1.

This isn't the Pentagon satellite thing. This is a system in DeeCee, just off the mall, near the Smithsonian. It was running hot through the roll. When it failed, the secretary of that agency was in the Y2K center. I later saw him on TeeVee saying that everything ran smoothy.
Uh-huh.

(So yes, ignore the preceeding two paragraphs, it didn't happen. No problems, everything was fine. This system does not belong to a current or previous client. It is located in DeeCee within a half mile of the Smithsonian. )

cory hamaski http://www.kiyoinc.com/current.html
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-- I'sa (ain't@talkin.org), January 03, 2000.


Italics off.

-- I'sa (ain't@talkin.org), January 03, 2000.

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