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Did not one of you--NOT ONE--read Dale Ways essay? Or did'nt it cater to your-"lights out"-use preps-feel vindicated--then?

Opps--Gee--I guess when Way speaks of the SUBLIMINAL metaphor of the end game and rollover he was right on. Subliminal is the only way I can figure all these posts are being written.

Dont any of you remember the death by a thousand cuts? Huh!! no one. Did you all think it would be--pop-pop--oh--oh. Pull out the preps? The entire year on this forum the one sure unknown was rollover and embeds. The one sure known was LONG TERM 'system of system' problems.

I am beginning to think you all wanted this crisis to run like an infomercial!!! What a joke. Go back and read the essay by Dale way. Specifically the part about Society being focused on 5% of the problems that are the easiest to deal with. Instead of the 95%--did you get that? The 95% that is OBSCURED,OBSCURED,OBSCURED, from clear view, that has the potential to do great damage to the economic and social order.

I spent 10 months on this forum and I am ashamed and what I am reading.

What did you think the END OF THE BEGINNING MEANT>

Just heard Pakistan market crashed. Do you think that is long term good news for the banking system?? AAAAAAAAAARG.

-- d......... (dciinc@aol.com), January 01, 2000

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Umm, d, Dale Way and I agree on one thing, the predominant embedded systems risk was right around the 1/1/2000 rollover date. You may waqnt to reread his letters.

Regards,

-- FactFinder (FactFinder@bzn.com), January 01, 2000.


d

this is murika,

instant gratification, me me me,

gimme gimme gimme my mtv/suv,

i want my cdc over with NOW so I can go back to gamblin' in the markets...

NOPE - most did not read that essay, most do not understand Infomagic OR Death by a thousand cuts...

HEY - it's all over/BITR/HOAX - CBSABCNBCMSNBC said so so it must be.......

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 01, 2000.


agreed. Electricity across the nation is giving most a false sense of reality. I was concerned that if power was out we were in for a real ride, but wasn't really expecting weeks of blackouts. So many systems don't REQUIRE dating. I am more worried about the power companies ability to bill customers than the actual provision of electricity itself. Hell, in the last month at the large company that my wife and I work at, she has not had social security held from her paycheck for 3 weeks (I'm not tellin! They can figure it out themselves..thats what they are being paid for), I have not recieved the measly raise on my paycheck and another girl in our department got an $.80 raise out of the blue! This is in a department of about 14 people! Do the math...with such a seemingly small problem compounded across the nation the possibilty of major economic problems is unbelievable. Yes, it will be nice to take a warm shower and no I still don't look forward to the rice and beans (that reminds me..i need to get some gas-x), but when times get tough, at least I won't need to spend money on inflated items throughout the year and can focus on paying mortgage and bills. Cautiously optimistic.

-- Todd.D (tie@flash.net), January 01, 2000.

Pakistan? Link please. Let's see. I've been at Yahoo, CNN, ABC,FOX all morning and no such news. Sounds like you're full of sh@t.

Speaking of full of it, uh, Andy, isn't that a chemtrail above your house?

-- Badco (chuckling@thecorn.com), January 01, 2000.


pakistan market crash link please.

BEST WISHES

PS seems to easy, where's the law of averages

-- bob (bob@ghoward-oxley.demon.uk), January 01, 2000.



Pakistan market crashed???? What market, a farmers market??? I didn't know the stock market was onpen on a saturday and a holiday.

Andy.........

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), January 01, 2000.


--d has gotten the message of Way's remarks, which have blown right past so many others. --d is not the one who needs to reread.

-- Lane Core Jr. (elcore@sgi.net), January 01, 2000.

Uh, Lane? Who are you again? And, um, were you awake last night? Great, reading the Dale Way article is akin (in your mind) to reading a Bible. Instant enlightenment. Voila! But should it cause apparent rumor-mongering like the Pakistan 'news'??? I guess the doomlit crowd knows no end.

-- Bad Company (johnny@shootingstar.com), January 01, 2000.

Mr. Factfinder,

-snip-

"" If anyone took the trouble to look up the specs of Motorola, Dallas Semi or INtel Real-time Clocks (the vatest of majorities of RTCs in the computer base) would see that those devices mindlessly run at a dodulo-100 '99' will simply go to '00' whether incrementing a century bit or not. They are not going to stop.....""

Dale Ways Essay to Yourdon.

He goes on to say there our exceptions but dont miss the forest for a couple of trees!!! Just the facts.

-- d....... (dciinc@aol.com), January 01, 2000.


Pakistan stock market problem

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), January 01, 2000.


ISE first casualty of the millennium bug

ISLAMABAD (Fortuna) - Islamabad Stock Exchange became the first casualty to the Y2K bug as its computer software refused to acknowledge turn of the century. The country's technologically most ill-equipped stock exchange failed to meet the Y2K challenge and the management of the bourse was forced early this week to exclude dates from all transactions, causing all sorts of problems for its brokers. Islamabad Stock Exchange computers insisted that it will be 1st of January, 1900 after midnight of December 31, 1999. The dates and days and settlements will go haywire if the stock exchange lets brokers use dates for recording transactions ahead of the turn of century. For instance, the computer will put all transactions made on January 1, 2000 ahead of the first recorded transaction because the computer will recognise it as a transaction made on January 1, 1900 and therefore just a day short of 100 years before the last transaction. This latest development does not please members of the stock exchange who have been forced to record manually each one of their thousands of transactions for the day. "The fact that our computers are not Y2K compliant has literally taken us to the early 20th century period, with all members having to manually sort out their transactions," said a member of the Stock Exchange asking not to be named.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), January 01, 2000.


Gee, Steve, thanks. Seems the Pakistanis began doing things manually EARLIER THIS WEEK. This hardly happened overnight and hardly constitutes the branding of 'Pakistani Market Crashed' or 'just heard....'

Truth in reporting? Yeah, not on this site.

Read the article.

-- Bad Company (johnny@shootingstar.com), January 01, 2000.


d, what the hell are you talking about?! There are NO PROBLEMS ANYWHERE!!!! y2k is over and I'm going to sell all my gold and buy .com stocks. Screw y2k, it was a non-event... The total impact will be a 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

-- ??? (???@??.?), January 01, 2000.

Bad Company,

Y2K--Stock market--not compliant--doing trades by hand--back to the beginning of the 20th century. Uh. just tell me this and a yes or no will suffice.

Is this a Y2K problem or not??

Will it effect people in the long term??

Is it real or imagined??

-- d....... (dciinc@aol.com), January 01, 2000.


Mr. ????,

????

-- d....... (dciinc@aol.com), January 01, 2000.



Well Stevie poo, still sitting on your brian I see...gotta "prove" how smart you are if you have to find every glitch from last year till the day you die HUH? Must be sad to have such poor self-esteem.

Next week computers will have glitches and even total failure, just like every "working" day of any year. Be sure to document each and every one so you will not feel the need to admit you were wrong.

-- Cherri (beenselling burgers@side.the.gulch4years), January 01, 2000.


Be sure to see Cherri's big brain in action in this Debonker's post:

My computer needs to be ugpgraded

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Posted by (209.245.173.132) Cherri on December 31, 1999 at 12:30:43:

Okay now Don't laugh. My new computer is Y2K compliant, was when I got it a few months ago. But my old one, 4 years old is not. I had put off checking and fixing it and now I wonder if I should do it or not. I don't use any applications that would need the year. Should I just forget about it and let it go or will the e-mail, sorted by date mess up or just sort odd? Advice anyone?

-- (you'll laugh@you'll cry.duh), January 01, 2000.


d and Andy,

Perhaps you are misreading the expressions of relief. There are tiers to this problem, and I suspect most do understand this.

But yesterday was a day of spectacular celebrations, some fine music, astonishing images. A momentary respite from long-brewing anxiety.

The infrastructures held for the time being and at least we can breathe easier about them going down *simultaneously.* Tier one.

I think you can credit most the denizens here with enough intelligence to know that Monday morning, and for some time to come, we'll probably have challenges to face, more worrisome nights, and less happy days than yesterday mercifully allowed us. But meanwhile.

It was an encouraging rollover, and people take hope where they can for the renewal of spirit. Right?

-- (resolved@this.point), January 01, 2000.


If I read this correctly - this is just one of Pakistan's stock markets. "The country's technologically most ill-equipped stock exchange failed to meet the Y2K challenge and the management of the bourse was forced early this week to exclude dates from all transactions, causing all sorts of problems for its brokers."

-- Butt Nugget (catsbutt@umailme.com), January 01, 2000.

>> Electricity across the nation is giving most a false sense of reality. <<

Well, I don't know about you, but electricity in my home is giving me a sense of warmth, light, and ease - and these seem real enough to me. The fact that the grid is up and performing today means that today I do not need to execute contingency plans that would, if needed, initiate a large (but unavoidable) drop in my quality of life.

Take each piece of good news and enjoy it for exactly what it is - good Y2K news, but not the end of Y2K news. Still, this is the most *credible* good news I have heard, because it IS real and verifiable.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), January 01, 2000.


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