Yep we spend over 1 trillion dollars on this problem, with an estimated further 2 trillion in "clean-up", not to mention law suits...

And the meedjah expect us to swallow that there was not one major problem...

Just read all the UPI/AP/Reuters stories - I've been doing it all night - total spin, total brilliance.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 01, 2000

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yep, your right it's all a cover up

-- it's (just@farce.com), January 01, 2000.

You don't understand because you are a moron doomer who made a complete ass out of himself with the gold posts.

-- (Spectator@the.farm), January 01, 2000.

So much for NYC resembling Beirut in 2000 huh?

N E W Y O R K, Jan. 1  New Years Eve passed, and the world is still Y2-OK. Across the country, Americans sighed with relief, many enjoying the revelry of spectacular celebrations around the globe. Those who hunkered in bunkers, preparing for the worst, will presumable emerge from their basements to a planet very much like the one they may have tearfully bade farewell to hours earlier. Party-goers who counted down the final seconds of 1999 could put down their noisemakers and go home with the security of knowing they could sleep off a night of excess. The world was still safe, but for a minor hangover. Even those who stick to a strict observance of the calendar, who point out that the new millennium really begins in the year 2001, must also be relieved. But for them, of course, at the end of the year, the panic cycle can presumably begin anew. No News Good News at Y2K Center At the governments a $50 million Y2K command center  set up to gather updates from industry, state, local and foreign governments  some television technicians briefly popped in a video tape of the film Apocalypse Now to kill the time as the evening unfolded. Government officials warned that it was still too early to declare complete victory over the year 2000 computer glitch. But there were few reports of confused clocks. No major transportation glitches. Nuclear facilities at home and abroad had successfully crossed into the new year. And the State Department reported no major incidents abroad. To demonstrate that a millennium computer bug had not discombobulated international air transportation, FAA Administrator Jane Garvey was aloft on New Years Eve on a flight from Washington to Dallas to San Francisco. Speaking by phone to her colleagues in suburban Washington, she said: Using the words Orville and Wilbur Wright wrote in a telegram they sent nearly a century ago: Success. Inform press. Garvey said officials found no Y2K problems on any of the 3,000 flights that the Federal Aviation Administration monitored early Friday. But significantly fewer planes were in the air Friday evening because of the publics lack of confidence in aviation safety systems. Still even as midnight passed in Asia, Africa and Europe and no ill reports emerged, some Americans preferred to remain cautious. Id rather be safe than sorry, Terri Dorniker of Miami said. I still believe because we are Americans, we should worry.  People in Japan and people in Australia dont need to worry. But we should worry.

Some Party, Some Hoard Canned Tuna In New York, as an estimated 3 million frenzied revelers thronged Times Square in a buoyant mood, while local grocery stores reporting increased sales of canned goods, flashlights and bottled water in case of emergency. People are stocking up in general but not to any unusual degree, said Jo Natale, a spokeswoman for Wegmans Food Markets. I wouldnt characterize any of it as panic buying. Battery sales were up 35 percent, as of Thursday, she said. Flashlights were up fivefold, and charcoal was selling at the same pace as in the peak barbecue summer season. Some folks feared that while America might be prepared, other countries werent. Tensions may have mounted with the reports early Friday that Russian leader Boris Yeltsin had stepped down. But at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado, officials reported unprecedented cooperation between U.S. and Russian military experts to make sure the Y2K computer bug did not trigger a nuclear missile catastrophe went off without a hitch. And those who crawled into bunkers and safe zones can emerge with their heads held high, reminding the rest of us that its not all that crazy to be prepared. You dont have to believe that civilization as we know it is ending, says Y2K consultant Zoh Hieronimus, who writes a journal that offers advice on how to construct a makeshift oven out of a coffee can and a candle. The notion of keeping an emergency shelter with 72 hours worth of rations for your loved ones is not that strange anymore, she says. Just ask people in places that are subject to hurricanes, like Dade County, Florida. They know how to prepare. Hieronimus says she doesnt have a cement-reinforced bunker. But she does have the means for herself and her husband to spend several days, even a few weeks, in the basement of their Maryland home. She says that families used to stock up on food and supplies. But in the age of 24-hour stores and eating out, people have forgotten to be prepared. You really should think about what might happen if disaster struck, she says. Emergencies happen every day, all over the world, why not in your own neighborhood?

http://www.abcnews.go.com/ABC2000/DailyNews/dayafter000101.html

-- (the@world keep .spinning), January 01, 2000.

I have a question. It was posted last night that the FOX reporter who used the ATM had his pin number denied three times. Within approx 10 minutes after reading that, FOX News ran the clip and the entire transaction ran smooth as glass. What gives with that? Who saw the original flub? We saw nothing like that.

We also thought it strange that nobody covered Denver. They chose to cover Roswell beaming messages into the great unknown instead. What a bunch of warts.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), January 01, 2000.

Maybe the guy was punching in thw rong PIN number, maybe his account was overdrawn.

Maybe his account had never been set UP with a PIN number. That happened to me just the other day.

Regardless, all over the world, the ATMS work, because that is what those reporters were waiting to find out about. The media loves blood and gore and scary stories... why block them now? They are the ones who had cameras at the front doors of Columbine when they shooters were still firing rounds and lighting off pipe bombs.

Does anyone really think they would pass up such a golden opportunity for ratings??

-- (I@don't. think so), January 01, 2000.

Andy, don't take this the wrong way: the scientific method sometimes forces us to at least reconsider our opinions (hypotheses) in light of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

-- Naya R. (naya@teamruss.net), January 01, 2000.

Andy,

Wake up! In all your hundreds of posts have you ever admitted you were wrong?

-- Downstreamer (downstream@bigfoot.com), January 01, 2000.

Right now the story is the media self-congratulating themselves on covering the festivities, with re-runs of the highlights fom around the world. Yesterday's big issue was the festivities and it would have taken a catastrophic Y2K failure to move that off the front burner, given the amount of effort and money put into making the festivities the story. This weekend's big media story will be the parades and bowl games.

Given that there have been no catastrophic Y2K failures, at least none that produced bigger fireworks displays than the planned events, the media did not bother with the Y2K failure issue. But just because there was nothing big enough to overshadow the pretty pictures doesn't mean that nothing which will cause major problems did not happen.

Wait and see what happens as all the assembly lines try to restart next week. That's when we just might see the real Y2K fireworks start. How many pieces of equipment will or won't restart, or won't operate properly? And how will New York City biggest Y2K party zone, Wall Street not Times Square, celebrate when the happy news starts revealing the "thousand cuts" on the economy?

I personally know that Tuesday when we restart I'm gonna be very surprised if all two hundred of the systems I work with restart without problems. And I know that management and the customers aren't gonna like the delays that will cause. And the ripples start...

WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), January 01, 2000.

Andy,

Can we be friends now? I love you man and the Bud Lite is still cold.

-- Jim1Bets (jim1bets@worldnet.att.net), January 01, 2000.

Downstreamer, I am ***shocked*** that you could even suggest such a thing. :o)

I'm merely stating that I minitored the establishment media feeds all night, twelve hours, and watched ABC2000 and all I saw was propaganda.

Nothing in depth, no cutting journalism, just spin spin spin.

Sure I'm glad that there were [apparently] no nuke meltdowns, bhopals etc. I just don't believe that the story is being covered properly, honestly.

We're being fed a line.

Look back at this thread in a month's time.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 01, 2000.

Will Continue,

I saw it. He put in his card, told the machine he spoke English, enter the PIN, withdrew $100, commented on the $1.00 charge, put the mic down to the cash drawer, then the machine asked for the Pin again. Went through the same scenario, same results. 3 times, then they laughed and cut away.

-- BH (bh_silentvoice@hotmail.com), January 01, 2000.

Look back at your posts from a month ago instead.

-- Downstreamer (downstream@bigfoot.com), January 01, 2000.

Andy,

I definitely agree that declaring the bug to be no-show is premature. Afterall, the ATM transactions processed last night and today haven't posted yet, the assembly lines haven't cranked-up yet, the millions of PC's haven't even been turned on yet, etc. There's still plenty of room for the bug to bite.

On the other hand, wouldn't you at least concede that the worst case scenarios are completely out of the question? No 90% of the population dead. No people living in the dark for days, weeks or months on end. No water problems. No backed-up sewage in NYC. No martial law. No prisoners being released. No nuke meltdowns. Those are the things the media was told to expect by the Y2K crowd, so they did. It didn't happen, pure and simple. To say otherwise is to live in denial.

To declare that Y2K fears were mostly unfounded is the only conclusion the media can draw at this early date -- and rightfully so. They left open the door for future problems mostly in the business sector -- and rightfully so. But the nature of the potential problems are now economic, and not likely catastrophic. Even as I write this, businesses across the world are starting up their machinery to test for problems. Many businesses in this nation will know by the end of the day whether or not they have problems. Of those that find problems, many have contingency plans to keep things running which will kick in immediately. If they open on Monday, it won't hit the news. If they don't, it just might.

We'll just have to sit back and watch it unfold. But I for one have sworn off predictions. No more. I've learned my lession. I think the worse I ever predicted it would get was a 4, so I was never in the "doomer" camp. But my 4 even included utility outages for days all across the globe. While I don't regret making preparations to protect my family in the face of the potential for trouble, I do feel a little silly sitting here with a hundred gallons of water. Oh well, it won't be the last time I'll feel silly for doing something I felt was right. I'm just glad I didn't quit my job, relocate and start living like my Amish neighbors. Then, I would truly be feeling . . . well, much worse. From those with whom I corresponded who did just that, they kinda wanted to do that anyway. As for me, I like modern conveniences and am glad to know that as least for now, I can still enjoy them.

-- David Bowerman (dbowerman@blazenet.net), January 01, 2000.

I took out $50 from an ATM earlier today. I think it was spin money. My typing on my keyboard right now is spin. My servers and workstations chugging away nicely at work are spin. All water and juice and phones in this state are spin.

enough with the spin, oy vey!

-- Mike (mike@noemail.net), January 01, 2000.

Y2K - Day 1 - Keep Your Helmet On Ken Welch www.kenwelch.com 1-1-2000

What a strange feeling to be so painfully aware of all the things that could go wrong with the 2000 date roll-over, and then watch and listen to an endless string of "No Problem - No Problem - No Problem." Rigidly controlled news at it's finest! Even with the Internet, news reporting over holidays and weekends is usually minimal. Still, considering the world's concern, the lack of information during this critical time was a dead giveaway. Before continuing, I must declare how grateful I am to the armies of planners, engineers, programmers, and technicians who have worked all year to make sure that the power grid stayed up today, water is still pumping and, thank you Lord, the Internet and phone systems are working perfectly. Few people realize that some manufacturers of heavy power equipment were still selling brand new non-compliant equipment to electric utilities only 18 months ago. Without a monumental effort, this country and much of the world would have been on its way to the stone age this morning. The Y2K threat has always been devastatingly real. I don't think we would have actually arrived at the stone age, because I have great faith in the efforts of dedicated people to find their way around even the greatest of problems. But the interim would have been pure chaos. Today, Day One, is a Saturday. With power, water, and communications working, there's really not all that much that can go wrong with the average weekend. We haven't tried to run out and charge something, so we can only guess that electronic banking, where the largest and earliest effort was mounted, is also working fine. What more could we ask for? I'm guessing there may be a few gas stations with low or empty tanks, but we weren't planning to go anywhere, anyway. What else is going on? No one can tell. The news blackout continues. Thousands of crisis teams are in place right now,in medium and large businesses, overseeing their companies' information systems as they test the transition of vital business systems. How are they doing? To judge from the wire services, no one has bothered to ask. The country's railroad network shut down last night, for safety. Did it come up again? No one is saying. And of great concern, a huge number of oil and gas pipelines, highly susceptible to the embedded chip problem, also shut down to avoid trouble. Are they running again? How strange that no one seems to know or care. Last night's reporting by news organizations was nothing less than bizarre. As the date change began in the South Pacific, a parade of nearly identical stories came across the major wire services. From each country the same report, "We had a wonderful celebration, and the lights are still on." Period. End of story. New Zealand's OK? Fine. No more news from New Zealand. Great party in Australia, mate? Fine. No more news from Australia. On and on it went. Great party. Lights still on. News Blackout. At 8 AM this morning, Reuters filed a story indicating their headline writer didn't understand the basic concept: "World Completes Crisis-Free Millennium". So much for a thousand years of history. Only the Japanese had the honesty to report trouble, thankfully minor, at two nuclear generating plants. At the International Y2K Cooperation Center, only tiny Gambia had the guts to list their government computer systems as "yellow" while the rest of the world's nations show "green" in all sectors. At my neighbor's business (30-40 employees), they already know that the security gates to the parking lot won't open, and the employee time clock can no longer talk to the main computer. To give them credit, they've spent a long time getting ready, struggled with countless problems as they changed computer programs, and knew ahead of time these particular gadgets would probably fail. They just couldn't find reasonable fixes for them. Monday, they will go to manual operation. So it looks like we are to enter the new year blind, and on Monday morning we begin what may be, in economic terms, the death of a thousand cuts. Later you can see the movie, "Revenge of the Nonessential Systems!" If nothing else, in data processing centers the world over, managers are going to remember that back in the farthest filing cabinet is a large stack of almost forgotten programs labeled "Year-End Processing". They were non-essential on Day One... The majority of business that experience true computer disasters go bankrupt within months. Some within a few weeks. Rather than full blown disaster, however, the threat from Y2K is a steadily increasing drag on productivity and resources. As everything takes more time and effort, the bottom line shrinks, and jobs are threatened. Since this is occurring everywhere, sales are effected, losses increase, and so on. In the meantime, we can still approach disaster level quickly if the supply of refined petroleum products has sustained a significant hit from the Y2K bug. Just a 20% cut in gasoline supply could be economically ruinous. If you read my Chemtrail Christmas article [http://www.sightings.com/politics6/chemcs.htm] you know that Uncle Sam and other governments have bet the farm on an imminent and ugly catastrophe of some kind. It would be foolish indeed to think that since the world got through Day One, we can discard the careful preparations so many of us have made for difficult times. In fact, I am thrilled that I have more time for thoughtful preparation. My list of small things we had forgotten, or never gotten around to, was getting awfully long! I definitely want more spices for survival cooking, and I'd like to put some more deep-cycle batteries in the motor-home's electrical system. All sorts of things. Perhaps another box of P95 surgical masks to ward off the NWO flu. I had really hoped that we'd seen an end to the chemtrails. The awesome chemical barrage of Houston and the surrounding counties during the holiday period certainly had a feeling of climax about it. The Ethylene Dibromide that falls from the fuel-aerosol plumes was rolling through our location north of the city about every two hours from dawn until midnight Wednesday and Thursday. I was really getting tired of my AOSafety "professional" mask [www.kenwelch.com/spray5.htm] that protects against both chemtrails and the nasty bugs that sometimes accompany them. When the spraying stopped abruptly in the first minutes of New Years Eve, I found myself thinking, hoping, that the budget had run out - that there might be no more spraying for a while. Beautiful blue skies Friday and this morning, also, with some clouds moving up from the south around noon today. About three this afternoon, we drove into Conroe on an errand, glanced upward, and there they were. Two tankers pumping away, building up a nice haze over Conroe and it's surroundings. That poor town, straddling the vital I-45 corridor north from Houston, has been hit so many times I've lost count. So much for a neat end to chemtrails. So keep your helmet on my friends. Don't sell the survival food. Keep thinking about what might come in handy. What could you offer in trade if paper dollars become worthless, or if everyone including yourself is out of work? How would you function if you could only get five gallons of gasoline for the month? The Y2K threat now shifts to the economic front, and it is just as real as it always was. Released overnight, when no one was supposed to be watching, is a statement that the Fed expects one business in thirteen to die this year from Y2K computer problems. It is probably the highest number they thought they could get away with and not panic everyone. This would be on top of the normal failure rate. Just remember the little computer voice that says, "Nothing could possibly go wrong... go wrong... go wrong..." _____ Ken Welch is the author of the "Master Key System", a full study course in making your own subliminal tapes to achieve personal goals, and "Earth Changes Survival" a book that shows you how to use subliminal technology to enhance the safety of you and your family.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 02, 2000.

Whoa dude, that was deep...

Basically, the fan is on, but the shit hasn't dropped yet...

But it will...

-- Carl (clilly@goentre.com), January 02, 2000.

I say this because I care.....take your medications!

Spin about lack of disaster so far is not spin you idiot, it is reporting. I know how desperately you wish for the world to end, so that the NWO aliens' plans for world domination will be thwarted, but those of us who have yet to be inoclulated by contrails wish to see the world continue, flawed though it may be.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), January 02, 2000.

Insurance lawyers will bring truth to light in court, proving that all these "Non Y2K" incidentst were in fact all Y2K related. The one prpfession that relys on lies so greatly will in fact be the ones to bring the real truth out.

-- Notforlong (Fsur439@aol.com), January 02, 2000.