Jim LOrd, please comment and reconcile events which have transpired to previous claims of Mr Ceo

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Dear Jim Lord: For my own piece of mind, we were told that you are a man of integrity, so there must be some kind of explanation to reconcile what has taken place so far with your prior claims (naval report and CEO/dirty power etc..) Respectfully yours, Patrick

-- Patrick (pmwalshjmj@yahoo.com), January 01, 2000

Answers

It's called CYA (cover your ass) Patrick. I have heard dozens of reports of power outages, all within a few minutes of midnight, and they all say they are "not Y2K related."

Why? It's quite simple actually... legal liability and insurance reasons.

If anyone suffers losses due to an outage, these utilities will say it had nothing to do with Y2K, because if they did, that would be admitting they knew about the problem, and they were negligent in fixing it.

In addition, insurance companies would not cover any of the losses if these outages were caused by Y2K, so the lawyers advise the utilities to produce another explanation, any plausible reason for the outage, just as long as it is NOT Y2K.

You have to try to think like a lawyer, then you might be able to make more sense out of what we are seeing.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 01, 2000.


God forbid we should all think like y2k pro or ken ddecker hawk.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 01, 2000.

Hawk--

Where are these reported poweroutages, and why hasn't the rest of heard of them? I too, can't believe it's as rosy as it seems to be so far.

-- Steve (goodwin@snet.net), January 01, 2000.


Lol, Andy! Some people are annoyed by lawyers running the world, but I am damn glad that it isn't Decker or Pro. :-)

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 01, 2000.

Steve, I don't have a cumulative list yet, but offhand I recall hearing... Florida, Louisiana, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Texas, California, and others. I doubt they will want to put any further emphasis on these in the media other than the brief mentions I've been hearing. Maybe we can start a thread and get everyone to post if they experienced an outage, confirmed by at least one other person if possible. It seems that most of them were brief, because they are using their contingency workarounds, but they are problems that will need to be fixed.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 01, 2000.


Oh yeah, just remembered, Columbus Ohio was another one I heard about.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 01, 2000.

Hawk is consistently an a$$hole, but he does produce the data to support the cause.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), January 01, 2000.

Ooooh Lisa, you are cute when you talk dirty! :-)

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 01, 2000.

Patrick;

I promised myself I wouldn't waste any more time on you people who just can't get it right, but....

If you ever bothered to LOOK/READ at Jom Lords site, you'ld see he doesn't expect real problems until they build up in the next several months. Your question shows you have little idea about what he really said.

-- Jon Johnson (narnia4@usa.net), January 01, 2000.


Come on guys...give up the utility thing. I'm sure we'll have other problems but my spouse was right all along about the utilities. He worked last night and there were a few problems but very little in the waya that would cause any difficulties. And some of them weren't y2k....honest. One was terrorits attemtpt and others "vandels" Get a grip..the grid is find for now unless terrorits take it out. Let's find out about venz, brazil S. A. and other countries and check in again on MOnday.

-- Moore dinty Moore (dac@ccrtc.com), January 01, 2000.


Until we see Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, I.R.S., to name a few, operating with precision and dependability, we are very vulnerable to an economic nightmare. Government accounts for a huge segment of employment in this country. Add to this the incredible amounts of money that is issued into circulation in the form of benefits and such, and the truly amazing unanswered questions as to where the U.S. is at this point remain unanswered. I have viewed my preps as not only "meal insurance" against interruptions in the supply chain, but as an economic hedge against rising prices in the months ahead. I cannot believe I am alone in thinking this way. Interest rates are going to march upward; housing may well take a hit. Mortgage brokers will be doodling on pads of paper as they realize there is less and less business(to name but one example of an industry vulnerable to rising interest rates).

Most of the really important problems, e.g. Def. Dept., pipelines that were shut down (and may be pesky to restart), will be kept from public view as a matter of national security.

And what about the many computer viruses that may be running around, looking for infrastructure to disrupt? Seems there are MANY more things yet unknown to hoist a victory flag over this country and y2k. (The only victory so far is preventing massive public panic;well, there is the additional victory of propaganda over a national audience--YECH!)

2 very alarming things to me are: 1)The overall complacency of our nation(not going totally unnoticed by folks like China and Sadam) and, 2) HOW EASY IT IS TO STILL MAKE PRUDENCE TO APPEAR LIKE FOOLISHNESS! An extra comment on this 2nd point is the incredible amount of folks reporting they feel foolish and embarrassed. If you really want to feel/experience both of these emotions, then chuck your preps. and begin running around trying to get folks who prepared for NOTHING, to accept you back into their "fold of foolishness". Then, when fallout begins to become apparent, you will realize the true meaning of foolish, embarrassed, and UNPREPARED!

Just as the coverage of y2k was so incredibly shallow and simplistic in the press for the past few YEARS, so too is the thinking that we are over the worst of y2k. Just cuz my T.V. works, doesn't mean it is "all-clear!". And one night of CNN pics. of lights on all over the world hardly gets me feeling even remotely confident that things will not be "so bad". (This line of reasoning wouldn't work on a 6 year old child.)

The most unfortunate side-effect of y2k roll-over so far (IMHO) is the "innoculation effect" that is occurring among some who prepped. How willing will they prepare or stay prepared for the unforeseen yet not on this nation's radar screen?

In closing, I will add that this nation is in and will remain in a window of vulnerability for some time. Just as a cancer patient never knew the day, time and hour that a tumor began to form within themselves, so too this nation appears to be generally clueless as to our vulnerabilities to attack and outright breakdowns in necessary infrastructure that are now present. When rollover occurred, every unremediated line of code became a cancer cell in this country's economy. Whether the Nation's "immune system" of bug busters can heal all of these conditions, before they grow into a sizeable tumor remains a HUGE question, at least to me.

I therefore will remain ready to "roll with the punches". Old habits are hard to break: Why let CNN and the "crowd of fools" do your thinking for you?

-- (He Who) Rolls with Punches (JoeZi@aol.com), January 01, 2000.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 01, 2000.


Pop down and read this one (it's 2 or 3 threads down)

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002As2

"Yourdon and North's Assessment..."

Says it all in simple language.

Welcome to Day 1 of Y2K Remediation Testing.

chuck

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), January 01, 2000.


to John Johnson: Thank you for your reply. I admit I lack a depth of understanding of Lords Position, your explanation helps me respond to those who now question me of claims I made based on Lords (and others)statements. Unfortunately, as you point out I was unable to research/understand the problem to the degree which you have.

I made prudent preparations for my family because I thought there was a serious doubt which warranted preps-- I am just looking for some explanations that will help me (and othrers I know) who are being spun/disinformed from all angles. I am still skeptical as i have always been of the media happy happy reports. I am guilty of the ignorance you imply and that is prcisely why I made the post. thank you for responding. I am still in the game-- I am just trying to fight off (with objective reasoning and facts)the gloating hecklers -- some of which are family members --have a little sympathy --and I understand your frustration with naysayers.

-- Patrick (pmwalshjmj@yahoo.com), January 01, 2000.


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