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Trump reveals fears of bioterrorism

By Greg John

27 December 1999

Donald Trump, the property tycoon who is considering entering the race to be president of the United States, has proposed new defences against the threat of biological attack by terrorists.

He believes antibiotics should be stockpiled in big cities and sensors should be developed to give early warning of biological devices. He even floated the idea of a new lottery game to finance a counterterrorism spy network.

"I bet if I started a national defence lottery, with money earmarked for preventing terrorism against US cities, we would take in enough money to hire and train every spy on earth and still have money to spare," he said.

"Imagine this for a second," he added. "The National Security Lottery would sell tickets just like in a Powerball lottery but dedicate every cent to funding an antiterrorism campaign."

America should also stunt the growth of foreign terrorist groups by offering jobs to Russian biotechnicians, he suggested.

Trump accused established politicians of refusing to discuss the threat of terrorism in detail and so prolonging the danger.

"Their chief job, all too often, is to get reelected," he said. "They don't want to be the bearers of bad news."

Trump, who has signalled that he may seek the presidential nomination for the antiestablishment Reform Party, revealed his fears of germ warfare terrorism in a book seen as a campaign blueprint, called "The America We Deserve".

A US government study has put a $12 million price tag on preparing a city against bioterrorism. The congressional study estimated it would cost a city of 500,000 people about $1.3 million to acquire basic equipment to prepare for a hazardous material incident and $12 million to be "highly prepared" for a chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear event.

Materials needed to prepare against a hazardous materials incident would range from duct tape to mobile command posts and would cost an additional $3.3 million to sustain over 10 years. A higher level of preparation would need $12.2 million for initial procurement and $42.9 million over a decade.

Trump also proposed a oneoff 14.25 percent tax on people with assets of $10 million or more to reduce America's national debt, said health care reform would be at the top of his agenda and vigorously defended hanging murderers.

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), December 28, 1999

Answers

"I bet if I started a national defence lottery, with money earmarked for preventing terrorism ..."

But then who is gonna police the mafia running his lottery? details...details...details...

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), December 28, 1999.

Well, nuke/bio shelters wouldn't be that hard...hell, I've worked in the pre-stressed concrete field making prison cells....just like Lego sets...and not that expensive. We did 40 a day at the place and it was a small business. Plus, we could start getting all those executions out of the way and save 30k per year to put towards such a plan. And why not use the prisons as garbage recycling institutions? Hell, they could recycle and reuse and grow their own foods....save a ton of money and save some spotted owl nesting sites and or a river or two in the process! };-]

-- Satanta (EventHoriz@n.com), December 28, 1999.

oh...and I forgot to add: The cells are strong and could eaisily be buried under the ground for shelter..

-- Satanta (EventHoriz@n.com), December 28, 1999.

""I bet if I started a national defence lottery, with money earmarked for preventing terrorism against US cities, we would take in enough money to hire and train every spy on earth and still have money to spare," he said."

Good grief.

And this six speed gearbox wants to be the next President???

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), December 28, 1999.

What ever you may think of Trump, he is the *only* candidate to come along and take on squarely what has been described as the most "corrupt instituion in the world". The unaccountable, unaudited, unregulated, privatly institution known as the "Federal" Reserve which is much a government agency as Federal Express.

You see his plan to pay of the debt (which by the way is a no-brainer for the rich as they know that Trump also intends to also do away with the 55% inheritance tax (which the media never mention) so they pay 15% once now, or 55% once later) means that the Federal Reseve will be shut down once and for all (he just isnt' saying that but those in the know understand this is the invetiable outcome) and here's why.

Firstly the privatly owned Federal Reserve banks have the sole monoploy to issue their bank note. The US decided to use their bank note as its currency - this is in clear violation of the Constituion which states that only Congress has that power.

Now the Fed can't issue any currency unless it is "backed" by some debt. It used to be gold, before the Fed, then it became 60% gold 40% debt after the Fed was created, then it became "any like asset", then it became only debt.

So the Fed buys up US government bonds (because it likes the guarantee that comes with them (i.e. you'll pay up through taxes), although they could buy up any debt - say your mortgage, or how about an IOU to a German munition supplier from Japan (i.e. an invoice from the German's to the Japanese). In actual fact just prior to WWII that is exactly what the fed was buyin up, but I digress (see Congressman McFadden's speech linked below).

Once they have the debt in their hand they can issue their bank note (dollar bills) against them. Actually 16 times the amount of the debt.

Lets say there are X trillion dollars in circulation and the Fed now "prints" up another 2 billion dollars backed by some US government bond they have bought. They fully expect the US Government to pay them interest on this bond.

Now pay attention here is the clincher that Trump is after. When they print up the 2 billion there are now X+2 billion in circulation. As the government pays off the bond they pay the 2 Billion PLUS Y amount of interest. So the amoung of dollars left in circulation is X-2-Y. Notice the ciruculation became tighter because there are less dollars left in circulation. Well you can't leave this situation because eventually all bonds will be paid back and that will pay back all of X, but what about the interest. There just is not enough in circulation to pay that back because it was never "printed" by the Fed and put into circulation.

The answer put the money back into circulation. Well by law the Fed can't do that unless they have some new debt. So the US government borrows 2 billion + Y dollars from the Fed by issuing a new bond and the Fed promptly "prints" up the money and restores the currency. But now the US government has to pay a new bond back of 2 B + Y along with Z interest.

I hope you are fast on the uptake here because you should have just realized that it is mathematically impossible with this to *ever* pay off the debt.

So how do you do this - you pay off the $6 trillion as Trump suggests. You shut down the Federal Reserve, because you obviously do not want to borrow it back again, and you print $6 trillion of Contituional or US Treseasury Notes. That is a currency issued by the Government.

Now you can see if you truly wish to have freedom in America you need to understand the racket the bankers have got happening in every country with a central bank they own (like the Bank of England as well) and then you will understand what Trump is *really* after.

For a history of how many times in the past America has had to do this to get rid of these illegal privately owned central banks and the untold damage they have done since the Declaration of Independenc read the book "The Comming Battle" which was written in 1899. Link to full text below. I guarantee its the most riveting piece you'll ever have read and makes Tom Clancy's novels read like kindergarten stories. Its a factual record based on the Congressional Records and therefore can't be dismissed as "opinion" etc.

For those of you who have not seen my posts and do not understand what the unregulated, unaudited, unaccountable private institution (which as I said has nothing more to do with the Federal Government than Federal Express) known as the "Federal" Reserve is all about, and at the risk of repeating my self, onnnee moorrre time, (as you will see this issue is at the core of EVERY other issue and is without a doubt THE most critical issue, period), just look at the following irrefuatable facts about what the Federal Reserve is.

Not believing these facts would be difficult to do unless you are willing to refute decades of Congressional Records, many court cases and testimony from prominent people and be able to demonstrate the Framers of the Constitution, Jefferson, Jackson, McFadden and many luminaries from Americas past were all fighting some fantom and that text of the actual laws which were passed by congress concerning the Federal Reserve are all bogus.

Federal Reserve and the European Banker Families that own it have:

a) the power to get congress to pass an unconstituional law that gives them the sole power to print the "US" dollar (really the Federal Reserve dollar which the US uses as its currency). The Constitution strictly states that only Congress shall have the power to coin money.

So hideous is the Federal Reserve Act that it fully realized the Constitutional Framers worst fears.

You may be surprised to learn that the Federal Reserve is the fourth central bank the United States has had, the previous three having crashed in inevitable raging inflation and widespread economic disaster. So clearly did our Founders understand and fear worthless paper money forced on the public by legal tender laws (precisely what we now have) that they filled the proceedings of the Constitutional Convention with statements of their horror of it. Americans today, deprived of hearing such truth, need to listen to their words:

* George Mason of Virginia: I have a mortal hatred of paper money.

* John Langdon of New Hampshire: I would rather reject the whole [Constitution] than grant the new government the right to issue fiat money."

* George Reed of Delaware: The right to issue fiat money would be as alarming as the mark of the beast in Revelation."

* Thomas Paine: The punishment of a member of Congress who should move for such a law ought to be death."

b) the power to get congress to pass a law to allow them to remain private and unregualted, unauditable accountable to no one and pay no tax even though they are a private organization.

c) the power in 1862 to force the Congress to pass a law that states that the US government should not accept its own currency on import duties it levies on its own citizens and that the US government must accept payment of its Bonds in paper currency but pay interest to the bond holders in gold. Effectively they have the power to make the US Government announce to the world we don't think our currency is good enough for these two items and only gold should be used. Guess where they had to buy the gold from to pay the interest on the original debt. Guess where the importers had to buy the gold from to pay the duties. Guess who got all the gold back when the government paid its interest on its bonds. The bankers who bought the bonds in the first place.

d) The power to cause the US debt to go from $1B in 1913 when the Fed was set up to $24B by the late 20's. How? Because the Federal Government must borrow money simply to keep the currency in circulation. Ever heard of anything so stupid. Yet that is what has been going on since 1913. Ever wonder why the debt keeps growing. It is mathematically not possible for it be paid back.

e) the power to bring a sitting president (Woodrow Wilson) to his knees and state after he signed the Federal Reserve Act to state:

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

f) McFadden states in his address to the House of Respresentatives at the height of the Depression:

"Mr. Chairman, we have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks.

"Thirteen months later, that promise was broken; and the Wilson administration, under the tutelage of those sinister Wall Street figures who stood behind Colonel House, established here in our free country the worm-eaten, monarchical institution of the "King's Bank," to control us from the top downward, and to shackle us from the cradle to the grave.

"One of the greatest battles for the preservation of this Republic was fought out here in [President] Jackson's day, when the Second Bank of the United Sates -- which was founded upon the same false principles as those which are exemplified in the Federal Reserve Act -- was hurled out of existence.

"Before the Senate Banking and Currency Committee, while the Federal Reserve Bill was under discussion, Mr. Crozier, of Cincinnati, said:

'In other words, the imperial power of elasticity of the public currency is wielded exclusively by these central corporations owned by the banks.'

"This is a life and death power over ALL local banks AND ALL BUSINESS. It can be used to create or destroy prosperity, to ward off or cause stringencies or panics.

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power. But the truth is that the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the government of the United States.

"It controls everything here; and it controls our foreign relations. It makes or breaks governments at will."

The Bottom Line is the Fedeeral Reserves controls the country. If the government wishes to do X, and the Fed doesn't agree, X will not be done. If the Fed wants to do Y, the government will comply else the Fed will induce a financial crisis that would get the government thrown out. End of story.

This is called power. This is the power to dictate the American Government. This is the power to have the full resources of the American Government at your disposal to do with as you please. Do not assume for a moment that this power will be foresaken for anybody any time soon.

This power has been enjoyed be these Banker Families since 1694.

In 1694 William III was involved in a war with France. He needed money and he needed it in large quantities. The British coffers were empty so he asked for vast loans of money from a super-rich Englishman named William Paterson and some of his wealthy friends. Paterson and his friends were perfectly agreeable to the loan providing they were allowed to do two things:

1.Set up a privately-owned bank to be called the Bank of England.

2.Receive authority from the king to issue their own bank notes or certificates as the official legal tender of England.

Everything else that you hear and see in the news is just a distraction to keep your attention away from the real worry: The Federal Reserve. You are slaves of the Federal Reserve through your taxes which go to pay them interest and through their control of inflation. They require you to pay taxes so they can collect interest. They require the IRS for this. The IRS requires Social Security for this as that is how they have juridiction over you. Guess what? Everybody knows Social Security is the only government agency that has been taking y2k seriously and has been working on it for 10 years. Ever wonder why? Its because they won't let their jurisdiction and control fail.

In 1862 the Bank of England/Rothschilds (do not be deceived by name, "Bank of England"; Bank of England was/is a *private* bank) issued and distributed to American banksters a document, The Hazard Circular, quoted in part below:

"Slavery is likely to be abolished by the war power, and chattel slavery abolished. This, I and my European friends are in favor of, for slavery is but the *owning of labor*, and carries with it the *care of labor*, while the European plan, led on by England, is that capital shall control labor by controlling wages. The great debt that capitalists will see to it is made out of the [Civil] war must be used to control the value of money. To accomplish this, the Government bonds must be used as a banking basis.

"We are now waiting for the Secretary of the Treasury of the United States to make this recommendation. It will not do to allow greenbacks, as they are called, to circulate as money any length of time, as we cannot control that, but we can control the bonds and through them the bank issues."

Like I said this is called power, the rest is irrelevant and just a distraction to keep your mind busy.

Source links for those who want to read about his themselves:

McFaddeen speech to House of Representatives

The Comming Battle

Book written in 1899 documenting from irrefutable congressional records and laws passed the first 3 attempts to set up central banks since the time of Jefferson and shows the power wielded by the European Banker Families. Makes a Tom Clancy novel read like a kindergarten story.

President Jackson's veto message for the United States Bank

Has anyone else thought this explains all the terrorism/hacker warning?

OT?IF Y2k is such a threat why is gold/silver so cheap

-- Interested Spectator (is@the_ring.side), December 28, 1999.

and what are the chances that Trump or someone else will ever be allowed to come to power with the rules and leaders pre-written? Do you really think that, even if every American 'voted' that Trump would get the presidency? I've figured for years...especially after Klintoon got elected a second time- that the whole election process is just a way to make the sheeples think that they are in some kind of control...

-- Satanta (EventHoriz@n.com), December 28, 1999.

Santana:

The chances are 0 right now, but ...

All I can say is that the more people know, even if they don't do anything yet, the better, because when the time comes, and believe me it will (as I belive it was Trueman who said something along the lines that "When the American People want peace then they will get it"), and there are people to take on these folks head first, then they will need a public that is aware and ready to back them up, not a public that needs to be educated at that time.

So nothing is ever too late because the game is always a foot as long as the Federal Reserve and the Bank of England exist. We are not in a race to finish this before y2k, we are in a slow but steady race over the long haul. Our enemy are long term players, but we know have the means to demolish them - the Internet. Knowledge is Power and the Internet lets us get the knowledge to everyone. This was not anticipated by our enemy and will be their undoing. Without a doubt.

It is not possible that we will loose this battle simply because once everybody knows we win by default. Remember Ghandi, he won because everybody knew what he wished them to know. Then he kicked out the most powerful empire simply becasue when the time came, the entire population were already aware and simply refused to cooperate.

So our job is to make everyone aware and understand. Even if they believe they can do nothing, that is ok, as long as they are aware and understand.

Any other course of action, is to condemn ourselves and our future generations back into the same darkness that those who came to the New World gave their lives to get away from. We only have to do one thing, learn about this and teach others who must then do the same. We don't have to give our lives, just use are minds and help others do the same. If can't/won't/don't even do this, then we deserve every rotten thing that comes our way, we should just shut up and we stop whining.

My approach to such people is to tell them the message and move on. Sadly those that will listen don't come with a sign on their forhead so you never know who the are. So I provide a few eye-opening facts, such as those I provided in this thread. And do so repeatedly until I am ignored. The gurus in advertising know something very valuable about the human mind - repetition of a message is the key to getting the mind to come around to accepting it.

In general after such an approach I don't get laughed out, and the "other side" usually shuts up and listens to how they have been royally bilked. The next phase I run into is complacancy - "what's the use and its never going to change". Those are our real enemies and the powers that be understand that their job is really to make it look like "Resistance is Futile".

-- Interested Spectator (is@the_ring.side), December 28, 1999.

Santana:

About the purpose of elections you put forward. You are absolutly bang on. However that can only remain true while there is someone else - the old money power in the Federal Reserve - pulling the strings. Regardless of what is accomplished by elections. First the Fed has to go along with their iron clad grip on the country. Only then can any thing remotely resembling a sane government can be contemplated.

-- Interested Spectator (is@the_ring.side), December 28, 1999.

If this country has to resort to a friggin lottery to raise money to protect its citizens from biological weapons, we are much more deeply enscrewed than I thought.

-- a (a@a.a), December 28, 1999.

a:

You are compltely correct, but don't shoot the messenger (Trump). He's saying we need money to defend ourselves. He has two options to raise that money. Tax or Lottery. Tax is not an option because we are already taxed to the maximum. And the reason for this is that, as you will see from the begining of my first post above, we are paying interest to the Federal Reserve on our own currency. We are literally renting our currency from the Federal Reserve. If you read the Comming Battle you will see how the government has been able to finance projects that saved America many times in the past, starting in Jeffereson's time, without resorting to debt when it has the power to issue currency. Oh yes you'll say if you just print money we'll have hyper-inflation. Well that is not true. It is matter of confidence in those who are printing it not to let that happen. Don't believe me? Well look what we are doing right now. Printing money to cover the interest on exisitng money to keep the circulation stable. Why don't we have hyper-inflation right now? Because everybody believes that the Fed is doing the "correct" thing economically.

Any country that would rent is own currency is indeed deeply screwed. That issue is the source of all others. Don't get side-tracked by dealing with symptoms. Deal with the root.

-- Interested Spectator (is@the_ring.side), December 28, 1999.

I've got an axe and some rock salt. Let me at the roots. Maybe I'll run for prez in 4 years, if we are still here. I've 'joked' about it with freinds from all ocver-GI's, DGI's, Christian, Atheist, whatever- and the one thing they say is "I would vote for you" Not because I'm a likeable guy or a genius but they know I'm a straight shooter and I say what I mean and mean what I say. Perhaps I'll stick my thoughts on my website if it exists after the rollover........

-- Satanta (EventHoriz@n.com), December 28, 1999.

IS,

Thanks for the links and comments. I've been wanting to get ahold of that 1899 book I keep hearing about, and am stoked to see it's online.

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), December 28, 1999.

Hokie:

you're welcome. BTW where has every body gone. Seems like the board is full of newbies (not that I am an oldie myself) posting mostly junk. It seems like the quality of posts just took a severe nosedive as the regulars vanish.

Am I right or is just a false impression?

-- Interested Spectator (is@the_ring.side), December 28, 1999.

Just a little quote from another president I thought you'd all be interested in. As I have mentioned above the Federal Reserve and other such central banks are the real power brokers of any country as they control the issuance of currency. The governments where they operate are completely at their mercy. If you don't believe me then believe the following:

President James Garfield observed that "Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce." And we shouldn't forget old Anselm Rothschild, founder of the clan: "Give me the power to issue a nation's money; then I do not care who makes the laws."

It would seem settled, and indeed is obvious, that the creator of money in any community is a power to be reckoned with.

-- Interested Spectator (is@the_ring.side), December 28, 1999.

I'm with Andy. If Trump's ego were a meteorite, the resulting crater would make the Grand Canyon look like an ant's eye socket.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), December 28, 1999.

David:

The issue is not Trump. If you don't like him fine. I neither like nor dislike him. But to date he is the only one that has been willing to take on the Federal Reserve by paying of the debt. That is all that matters. If doesn't get in, I don't care, all I am care about is to keep watching all the candidates and support those that are willing to take on the Federal Reserve. To do this the population needs to understand what this organization is about and how it results in the fact that everybody will always pay more and more taxes just to pay the interest they collect that will always increase. All I wish to do is spread this message. I hope you understand and do the same. Once the right leader comes along the citizens then can act rather waste everybody's time while we educate them.

-- Interested Spectator (is@the_ring.side), December 28, 1999.

Interested Spectator: Irrespective of my opinion of Donald Trump, I acknowledge the importance of the issues you raise regarding the Federal Reserve. To the extent that he understands those issues and socializes them, I'm willing to give him credit. I'm not prepared to support a candidate based on a single issue, but if I were, this issue would be high on the list.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), December 28, 1999.